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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com> on 2008/11/09 21:58:31 UTC
Re: Application framework technology set
--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Andrew Zeneski <an...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> When we started OFBiz in 2001, the tools available were
> less powerful and less appealing than the ones available
> today. If we were starting today I think a lot would be
> different. For example, I would probably vote for JPA over
> writing another persistence layer. I would vote for using
> Stripes, Wicket, or maybe JSF (but v2) for presentation. On
> the service layer, I would prefer to use an existing
> framework be it EJB (session beans) or some flavor of an ESB
> (maybe ServiceMix). In the end, focus 100% on the
> applications and let the other projects focus on each
> specific framework piece.
I spent a little time looking at ServiceMix. It seems to duplicate a lot of the OFBiz infrastructure - which may be good or bad. It has its own application server container and persistence engine. Maybe we could create our own ESB based on whatever persistence layer OFBiz uses (Entity Engine or some future existing library) and JBI.
I really like the idea of OFBiz implementing ESB - an OFBiz user could easily plug in additional ESB applications.
-Adrian
Re: Application framework technology set
Posted by Raj Saini <ra...@gmail.com>.
+1, yes it would be nice to have this discussion and wider community
participation.
Thanks,
Raj
Adrian Crum wrote:
> Raj Saini wrote:
>> Adrian Crum wrote:
>>> I spent a little time looking at ServiceMix. It seems to duplicate a
>>> lot of the OFBiz infrastructure - which may be good or bad. It has
>>> its own application server container and persistence engine. Maybe
>>> we could create our own ESB based on whatever persistence layer
>>> OFBiz uses (Entity Engine or some future existing library) and JBI.
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of OFBiz implementing ESB - an OFBiz user
>>> could easily plug in additional ESB applications.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>
>> I don't think ServicMix has their own persistence and service layers.
>> ServiceMix is implementation of Java Business Integration (JBI) What
>> they have are called Binding Components (BC)and Service Engines (SE).
>> I see OFBiz applications as another BEs and communicating to each
>> other using JBI standards.
>>
>> Also, we can run service mix as standalone as well as embedded
>> container. For example Apache Geronimo application server embeds
>> ServiceMix. ServiceMix 4.0 will support OSGi components.
>
> Thanks Raj! I saw that the ServiceMix download included Jetty and
> Hibernate. I admit I don't know enough about it - so I didn't realize
> those were optional.
>
> If there is enough interest, it would be nice to get a discussion
> going in a Jira issue or on the Wiki.
>
> -Adrian
>
Re: Application framework technology set
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1
Cheers,
Tim
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On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:28 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:
> Raj Saini wrote:
>> Adrian Crum wrote:
>>> I spent a little time looking at ServiceMix. It seems to duplicate
>>> a lot of the OFBiz infrastructure - which may be good or bad. It
>>> has its own application server container and persistence engine.
>>> Maybe we could create our own ESB based on whatever persistence
>>> layer OFBiz uses (Entity Engine or some future existing library)
>>> and JBI.
>>>
>>> I really like the idea of OFBiz implementing ESB - an OFBiz user
>>> could easily plug in additional ESB applications.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>> I don't think ServicMix has their own persistence and service
>> layers. ServiceMix is implementation of Java Business Integration
>> (JBI) What they have are called Binding Components (BC)and Service
>> Engines (SE). I see OFBiz applications as another BEs and
>> communicating to each other using JBI standards.
>> Also, we can run service mix as standalone as well as embedded
>> container. For example Apache Geronimo application server embeds
>> ServiceMix. ServiceMix 4.0 will support OSGi components.
>
> Thanks Raj! I saw that the ServiceMix download included Jetty and
> Hibernate. I admit I don't know enough about it - so I didn't
> realize those were optional.
>
> If there is enough interest, it would be nice to get a discussion
> going in a Jira issue or on the Wiki.
>
> -Adrian
Re: Application framework technology set
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
Raj Saini wrote:
> Adrian Crum wrote:
>> I spent a little time looking at ServiceMix. It seems to duplicate a
>> lot of the OFBiz infrastructure - which may be good or bad. It has its
>> own application server container and persistence engine. Maybe we
>> could create our own ESB based on whatever persistence layer OFBiz
>> uses (Entity Engine or some future existing library) and JBI.
>>
>> I really like the idea of OFBiz implementing ESB - an OFBiz user could
>> easily plug in additional ESB applications.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>
> I don't think ServicMix has their own persistence and service layers.
> ServiceMix is implementation of Java Business Integration (JBI) What
> they have are called Binding Components (BC)and Service Engines (SE). I
> see OFBiz applications as another BEs and communicating to each other
> using JBI standards.
>
> Also, we can run service mix as standalone as well as embedded
> container. For example Apache Geronimo application server embeds
> ServiceMix. ServiceMix 4.0 will support OSGi components.
Thanks Raj! I saw that the ServiceMix download included Jetty and
Hibernate. I admit I don't know enough about it - so I didn't realize
those were optional.
If there is enough interest, it would be nice to get a discussion going
in a Jira issue or on the Wiki.
-Adrian
Re: Application framework technology set
Posted by Raj Saini <ra...@gmail.com>.
Adrian Crum wrote:
> I spent a little time looking at ServiceMix. It seems to duplicate a lot of the OFBiz infrastructure - which may be good or bad. It has its own application server container and persistence engine. Maybe we could create our own ESB based on whatever persistence layer OFBiz uses (Entity Engine or some future existing library) and JBI.
>
> I really like the idea of OFBiz implementing ESB - an OFBiz user could easily plug in additional ESB applications.
>
> -Adrian
>
I don't think ServicMix has their own persistence and service layers.
ServiceMix is implementation of Java Business Integration (JBI) What
they have are called Binding Components (BC)and Service Engines (SE). I
see OFBiz applications as another BEs and communicating to each other
using JBI standards.
Also, we can run service mix as standalone as well as embedded
container. For example Apache Geronimo application server embeds
ServiceMix. ServiceMix 4.0 will support OSGi components.
Thanks,
Raj
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