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Posted to dev@royale.apache.org by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> on 2020/02/18 07:42:40 UTC
Re: Let's bump Royale version to 1.0
Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team has 88 of their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA team). They still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to their customer, but it is a good sign that the emulation is sufficient for many needs.
Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's the last big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other migration efforts underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep finding bugs, but I'm feeling better about the emulation code.
-Alex
On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or somebody else has deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or Spark Royale emulation components. But instead, I see more bugs being filed for "obvious" things. You can look at the issues list of open and fixed issues and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it. Each of us has their own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you can look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems, then great, let's release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think it didn't have these kinds of problems.
As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision alone. It is really up to the rest of you.
-Alex
On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi Piotr,
I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a natural way. I
mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can (webs, social
media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try and fail, will
never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your gun", if
you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are done. I'm ok to
release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that all things
work as we expect.
For me that things are:
* Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages of features
like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice, RemoteObject, JSON),
View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential.
* Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow migrations in a
good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with emulation
components will many issues. I don't take into account look and feel of
emulation components, just functionality and working from a flex code
perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not third party
libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF, and examples
should work.
If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need to ensure
"first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very few about the
tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The other two
are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have solutions on
their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a first try
successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things.
I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we are.
Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of things, but
we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are not too far
but I think is still some month in the future.
just my 2 :)
Carlos
El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (<
piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>) escribió:
> Hello,
>
> This thread is old and this was the last message from me. What has changed
> on your end guys ?
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
> wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>
> napisał(a):
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there is an obvious
> > needs to improve documentation the most.
> >
> > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding releasing anything
> > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with this project I
> > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc. will take less
> than
> > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic release process I
> > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than I mention.
> >
> > Why I'm thinking like that:
> > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer - it's been
> > couple of days and there is absolutely no response.
> > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues towards code in
> > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them UNLESS
> someone
> > need that stuff in his application which has been under development in
> his
> > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait months before
> > anything from that list will be fixed.
> >
> > How Royale is going on right now?
> > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to bump it to 1.0
> > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better light. I got
> clear
> > responses from community that the only thing which is in the way of to
> 1.0
> > is documentation.
> >
> > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been created by
> > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth one which I'm
> > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it looks there won't
> be
> > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof that Royale is
> as
> > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience. Because this is
> > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0.
> > People on this project are talking about community, my proposition to
> bump
> > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps grow thanks to
> > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list more people,
> with
> > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in ActionScript,
> > but was curious about the project.
> >
> > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm going to work to
> > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to 1.0, whether
> it
> > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's really matter is
> that
> > we are not facing in current version any walls during development, so
> this
> > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> >> Hi Justin,
> >>
> >> great initiative, but some thoughts:
> >>
> >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we can say what
> >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards the goal and
> >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are community managed
> >>
> >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can contribute and earn
> some
> >> money and a great plan,
> >>
> >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding plan:
> >>
> >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing published few minutes
> >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release second (from 61
> >> votes).
> >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the release
> >> process.
> >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process ready to be
> >> tested by someone.
> >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope others could be
> the
> >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok, we'll have a
> >> 0.9.6
> >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by that new release
> >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9 and Finlay
> 1.0.
> >> For me release should happen at least from month to month. have sense?
> >>
> >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here what they can do
> >> and
> >> work to earn some money too! :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Carlos Rovira
> >> > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C223073f5986349c505e808d783dc894d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637122855535324332&sdata=ASZFiHNLaimVkZYNcna1%2BgC99mX%2F%2Bs9lFcSQR43jh3A%3D&reserved=0
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
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>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
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Re: Let's bump Royale version to 1.0
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Piotr,
no. I think we crossed the line some time ago and Royale is now a real and
usable technology.
But we did this issue [1] to talk about things still needed. One required
by Alex was MXRoyale, that seems to be on good way, other like CSS issues
was untouched (I tried to fix some, but with no success and couldn't get
responses to some threads open to guide me on it).
If 1.0 has a special meaning for others not so close to the project is that
"we open doors for all people to start using it" and that means to have
more responsibility to show the project is really valid for masses and
respond to some basic questions:
- "Do we have most of the documentation ready?" or, if people start
using it will find the most of the docs needed available. Don't think so,
just to put a random example, recently a user asked for compiler options,
and we still don't have that in our docs. I think we could solve this if
all people involved in Royale could spend some days working on it. But this
usually means Andrew and me.
- "Can we release each month or 2 months?", I don't think so. I tried
the release process and after the maven improvements that break the CI
steps in Nov-Dec, I tried to fix it with no success, while investing
several hours. I hope to reach again to that, and see what can I do to help
on that. Actually, while I'm pro to have ant and maven builds for users, I
don't understand why we are mixing that with the release process. I think
we are auto imposing an unnecessary burden with this requeriment. I think
release process could be greatly simplified if we just use maven, as many
other projects do (that's the actual way people are doing things, so doing
that way we're embracing a good practice). So users can build with Ant or
Maven (what they prefer), but we just need to release with maven on CI,
that is the natural tool to do that. I think that will solve this point
without problem, and will remove an actual huge barrier.
- Actual issues like in the issue [1]: Bindings (we are sponsoring Greg
this days to fix actual issues and create tests to make bindings
infrastructure more robust, that are what, in my experience, generates most
of the problems that appears to users at early stages in Royale) or some
Jewel issues are in the works today (Virtual DataGrid, Tree,...I need to
finish dark themes too). Other issues like CSS compiler problems, were
untouched
- I need to fix Moonshine mvn sdk compilation too
We already discussed most of this. We have just one bullet. If people
testing Royale has some solid point that Royale is not ok due to not have
enough docs, or having some issues with trying to build some example or
app, then we will have many problems to fix that feeling for people that
tries it.
For that reason, I'm for going naturally to 1.0 instead to bump.
That's what I mean/feel, but if others think we should go 1.0, then I'll
not oppose, but want to warn about it.
[1] https://github.com/apache/royale-asjs/issues/648
El mar., 18 feb. 2020 a las 9:57, Piotr Zarzycki (<pi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Are you have in mind that Royale is not enough good for 1.0 ? I don't
> understand full what do you mean here.
>
> wt., 18 lut 2020 o 09:52 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> napisał(a):
>
> > Hi Alex,
> > very good news. Congrats to all of you working on emulation! :).
> > There's as well other migration efforts based on Jewel and in good
> > progress, but with issues to manage over time. It could be a good time to
> > start trying to release, but I'll try to go 0.9.7 and continue improving
> > until release process could be really easy to do. As well docs continue
> to
> > be something we need if we want to have success for 1.0.
> >
> > El mar., 18 feb. 2020 a las 8:42, Alex Harui (<aharui@adobe.com.invalid
> >)
> > escribió:
> >
> > > Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team
> has
> > > 88 of their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA
> > > team). They still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to
> > > their customer, but it is a good sign that the emulation is sufficient
> > for
> > > many needs.
> > >
> > > Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's
> > the
> > > last big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other
> > > migration efforts underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep
> > > finding bugs, but I'm feeling better about the emulation code.
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > >
> > > Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or
> > > somebody else has deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or
> > Spark
> > > Royale emulation components. But instead, I see more bugs being filed
> > for
> > > "obvious" things. You can look at the issues list of open and fixed
> > issues
> > > and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it. Each of us has
> > their
> > > own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you
> can
> > > look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems,
> > > then great, let's release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to
> > > remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think it didn't have these kinds of
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first
> > > impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision
> alone.
> > > It is really up to the rest of you.
> > >
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <ca...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Piotr,
> > >
> > > I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a
> > > natural way. I
> > > mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can
> (webs,
> > > social
> > > media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try
> and
> > > fail, will
> > > never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your
> > > gun", if
> > > you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are
> done.
> > > I'm ok to
> > > release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that
> > all
> > > things
> > > work as we expect.
> > >
> > > For me that things are:
> > >
> > > * Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages
> of
> > > features
> > > like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice,
> > > RemoteObject, JSON),
> > > View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential.
> > > * Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow
> > migrations
> > > in a
> > > good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with
> > > emulation
> > > components will many issues. I don't take into account look and
> > > feel of
> > > emulation components, just functionality and working from a
> flex
> > > code
> > > perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not
> > > third party
> > > libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF,
> and
> > > examples
> > > should work.
> > >
> > > If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need
> to
> > > ensure
> > > "first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very
> few
> > > about the
> > > tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The
> > > other two
> > > are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have
> > > solutions on
> > > their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a
> > > first try
> > > successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things.
> > >
> > > I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we
> > are.
> > > Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of
> > > things, but
> > > we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are
> not
> > > too far
> > > but I think is still some month in the future.
> > >
> > > just my 2 :)
> > >
> > > Carlos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> > > piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>) escribió:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > This thread is old and this was the last message from me.
> What
> > > has changed
> > > > on your end guys ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > > wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > > > napisał(a):
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there
> is
> > > an obvious
> > > > > needs to improve documentation the most.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding
> > > releasing anything
> > > > > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with
> this
> > > project I
> > > > > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc.
> will
> > > take less
> > > > than
> > > > > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic
> > release
> > > process I
> > > > > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than
> I
> > > mention.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why I'm thinking like that:
> > > > > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer -
> > > it's been
> > > > > couple of days and there is absolutely no response.
> > > > > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues
> > > towards code in
> > > > > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them
> > > UNLESS
> > > > someone
> > > > > need that stuff in his application which has been under
> > > development in
> > > > his
> > > > > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait
> > > months before
> > > > > anything from that list will be fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > How Royale is going on right now?
> > > > > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to
> > > bump it to 1.0
> > > > > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better
> > > light. I got
> > > > clear
> > > > > responses from community that the only thing which is in
> the
> > > way of to
> > > > 1.0
> > > > > is documentation.
> > > > >
> > > > > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been
> > > created by
> > > > > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth
> > > one which I'm
> > > > > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it
> looks
> > > there won't
> > > > be
> > > > > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof
> that
> > > Royale is
> > > > as
> > > > > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience.
> Because
> > > this is
> > > > > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0.
> > > > > People on this project are talking about community, my
> > > proposition to
> > > > bump
> > > > > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps
> > > grow thanks to
> > > > > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list
> more
> > > people,
> > > > with
> > > > > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in
> > > ActionScript,
> > > > > but was curious about the project.
> > > > >
> > > > > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm
> going
> > > to work to
> > > > > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to
> > > 1.0, whether
> > > > it
> > > > > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's
> really
> > > matter is
> > > > that
> > > > > we are not facing in current version any walls during
> > > development, so
> > > > this
> > > > > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Piotr
> > > > >
> > > > > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira <
> > > carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > > > napisał(a):
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Justin,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> great initiative, but some thoughts:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we
> > can
> > > say what
> > > > >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards
> > > the goal and
> > > > >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are
> > > community managed
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can
> contribute
> > > and earn
> > > > some
> > > > >> money and a great plan,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding
> > > plan:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing
> published
> > > few minutes
> > > > >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release
> > > second (from 61
> > > > >> votes).
> > > > >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the
> > > release
> > > > >> process.
> > > > >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process
> > > ready to be
> > > > >> tested by someone.
> > > > >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope
> > others
> > > could be
> > > > the
> > > > >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok,
> > > we'll have a
> > > > >> 0.9.6
> > > > >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by
> that
> > > new release
> > > > >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9
> > > and Finlay
> > > > 1.0.
> > > > >> For me release should happen at least from month to month.
> > > have sense?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here
> what
> > > they can do
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> work to earn some money too! :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >
> > >
> >
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Re: Let's bump Royale version to 1.0
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Carlos,
Are you have in mind that Royale is not enough good for 1.0 ? I don't
understand full what do you mean here.
wt., 18 lut 2020 o 09:52 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> napisał(a):
> Hi Alex,
> very good news. Congrats to all of you working on emulation! :).
> There's as well other migration efforts based on Jewel and in good
> progress, but with issues to manage over time. It could be a good time to
> start trying to release, but I'll try to go 0.9.7 and continue improving
> until release process could be really easy to do. As well docs continue to
> be something we need if we want to have success for 1.0.
>
> El mar., 18 feb. 2020 a las 8:42, Alex Harui (<ah...@adobe.com.invalid>)
> escribió:
>
> > Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team has
> > 88 of their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA
> > team). They still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to
> > their customer, but it is a good sign that the emulation is sufficient
> for
> > many needs.
> >
> > Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's
> the
> > last big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other
> > migration efforts underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep
> > finding bugs, but I'm feeling better about the emulation code.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >
> > Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or
> > somebody else has deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or
> Spark
> > Royale emulation components. But instead, I see more bugs being filed
> for
> > "obvious" things. You can look at the issues list of open and fixed
> issues
> > and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it. Each of us has
> their
> > own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you can
> > look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems,
> > then great, let's release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to
> > remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think it didn't have these kinds of
> > problems.
> >
> > As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first
> > impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision alone.
> > It is really up to the rest of you.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Piotr,
> >
> > I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a
> > natural way. I
> > mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can (webs,
> > social
> > media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try and
> > fail, will
> > never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your
> > gun", if
> > you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are done.
> > I'm ok to
> > release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that
> all
> > things
> > work as we expect.
> >
> > For me that things are:
> >
> > * Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages of
> > features
> > like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice,
> > RemoteObject, JSON),
> > View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential.
> > * Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow
> migrations
> > in a
> > good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with
> > emulation
> > components will many issues. I don't take into account look and
> > feel of
> > emulation components, just functionality and working from a flex
> > code
> > perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not
> > third party
> > libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF, and
> > examples
> > should work.
> >
> > If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need to
> > ensure
> > "first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very few
> > about the
> > tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The
> > other two
> > are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have
> > solutions on
> > their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a
> > first try
> > successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things.
> >
> > I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we
> are.
> > Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of
> > things, but
> > we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are not
> > too far
> > but I think is still some month in the future.
> >
> > just my 2 :)
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> > piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>) escribió:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This thread is old and this was the last message from me. What
> > has changed
> > > on your end guys ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > > napisał(a):
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there is
> > an obvious
> > > > needs to improve documentation the most.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding
> > releasing anything
> > > > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with this
> > project I
> > > > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc. will
> > take less
> > > than
> > > > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic
> release
> > process I
> > > > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than I
> > mention.
> > > >
> > > > Why I'm thinking like that:
> > > > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer -
> > it's been
> > > > couple of days and there is absolutely no response.
> > > > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues
> > towards code in
> > > > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them
> > UNLESS
> > > someone
> > > > need that stuff in his application which has been under
> > development in
> > > his
> > > > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait
> > months before
> > > > anything from that list will be fixed.
> > > >
> > > > How Royale is going on right now?
> > > > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to
> > bump it to 1.0
> > > > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better
> > light. I got
> > > clear
> > > > responses from community that the only thing which is in the
> > way of to
> > > 1.0
> > > > is documentation.
> > > >
> > > > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been
> > created by
> > > > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth
> > one which I'm
> > > > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it looks
> > there won't
> > > be
> > > > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof that
> > Royale is
> > > as
> > > > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience. Because
> > this is
> > > > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0.
> > > > People on this project are talking about community, my
> > proposition to
> > > bump
> > > > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps
> > grow thanks to
> > > > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list more
> > people,
> > > with
> > > > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in
> > ActionScript,
> > > > but was curious about the project.
> > > >
> > > > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm going
> > to work to
> > > > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to
> > 1.0, whether
> > > it
> > > > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's really
> > matter is
> > > that
> > > > we are not facing in current version any walls during
> > development, so
> > > this
> > > > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira <
> > carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > > napisał(a):
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Justin,
> > > >>
> > > >> great initiative, but some thoughts:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we
> can
> > say what
> > > >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards
> > the goal and
> > > >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are
> > community managed
> > > >>
> > > >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can contribute
> > and earn
> > > some
> > > >> money and a great plan,
> > > >>
> > > >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding
> > plan:
> > > >>
> > > >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing published
> > few minutes
> > > >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release
> > second (from 61
> > > >> votes).
> > > >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the
> > release
> > > >> process.
> > > >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process
> > ready to be
> > > >> tested by someone.
> > > >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope
> others
> > could be
> > > the
> > > >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok,
> > we'll have a
> > > >> 0.9.6
> > > >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by that
> > new release
> > > >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9
> > and Finlay
> > > 1.0.
> > > >> For me release should happen at least from month to month.
> > have sense?
> > > >>
> > > >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here what
> > they can do
> > > >> and
> > > >> work to earn some money too! :)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Carlos Rovira
> > > >> >
> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
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> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Let's bump Royale version to 1.0
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Alex,
very good news. Congrats to all of you working on emulation! :).
There's as well other migration efforts based on Jewel and in good
progress, but with issues to manage over time. It could be a good time to
start trying to release, but I'll try to go 0.9.7 and continue improving
until release process could be really easy to do. As well docs continue to
be something we need if we want to have success for 1.0.
El mar., 18 feb. 2020 a las 8:42, Alex Harui (<ah...@adobe.com.invalid>)
escribió:
> Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team has
> 88 of their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA
> team). They still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to
> their customer, but it is a good sign that the emulation is sufficient for
> many needs.
>
> Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's the
> last big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other
> migration efforts underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep
> finding bugs, but I'm feeling better about the emulation code.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or
> somebody else has deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or Spark
> Royale emulation components. But instead, I see more bugs being filed for
> "obvious" things. You can look at the issues list of open and fixed issues
> and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it. Each of us has their
> own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you can
> look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems,
> then great, let's release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to
> remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think it didn't have these kinds of
> problems.
>
> As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first
> impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision alone.
> It is really up to the rest of you.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Piotr,
>
> I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a
> natural way. I
> mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can (webs,
> social
> media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try and
> fail, will
> never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your
> gun", if
> you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are done.
> I'm ok to
> release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that all
> things
> work as we expect.
>
> For me that things are:
>
> * Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages of
> features
> like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice,
> RemoteObject, JSON),
> View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential.
> * Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow migrations
> in a
> good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with
> emulation
> components will many issues. I don't take into account look and
> feel of
> emulation components, just functionality and working from a flex
> code
> perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not
> third party
> libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF, and
> examples
> should work.
>
> If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need to
> ensure
> "first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very few
> about the
> tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The
> other two
> are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have
> solutions on
> their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a
> first try
> successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things.
>
> I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we are.
> Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of
> things, but
> we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are not
> too far
> but I think is still some month in the future.
>
> just my 2 :)
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
> El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > This thread is old and this was the last message from me. What
> has changed
> > on your end guys ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there is
> an obvious
> > > needs to improve documentation the most.
> > >
> > > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding
> releasing anything
> > > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with this
> project I
> > > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc. will
> take less
> > than
> > > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic release
> process I
> > > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than I
> mention.
> > >
> > > Why I'm thinking like that:
> > > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer -
> it's been
> > > couple of days and there is absolutely no response.
> > > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues
> towards code in
> > > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them
> UNLESS
> > someone
> > > need that stuff in his application which has been under
> development in
> > his
> > > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait
> months before
> > > anything from that list will be fixed.
> > >
> > > How Royale is going on right now?
> > > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to
> bump it to 1.0
> > > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better
> light. I got
> > clear
> > > responses from community that the only thing which is in the
> way of to
> > 1.0
> > > is documentation.
> > >
> > > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been
> created by
> > > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth
> one which I'm
> > > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it looks
> there won't
> > be
> > > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof that
> Royale is
> > as
> > > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience. Because
> this is
> > > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0.
> > > People on this project are talking about community, my
> proposition to
> > bump
> > > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps
> grow thanks to
> > > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list more
> people,
> > with
> > > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in
> ActionScript,
> > > but was curious about the project.
> > >
> > > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm going
> to work to
> > > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to
> 1.0, whether
> > it
> > > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's really
> matter is
> > that
> > > we are not facing in current version any walls during
> development, so
> > this
> > > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira <
> carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > napisał(a):
> > >
> > >> Hi Justin,
> > >>
> > >> great initiative, but some thoughts:
> > >>
> > >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we can
> say what
> > >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards
> the goal and
> > >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are
> community managed
> > >>
> > >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can contribute
> and earn
> > some
> > >> money and a great plan,
> > >>
> > >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding
> plan:
> > >>
> > >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing published
> few minutes
> > >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release
> second (from 61
> > >> votes).
> > >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the
> release
> > >> process.
> > >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process
> ready to be
> > >> tested by someone.
> > >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope others
> could be
> > the
> > >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok,
> we'll have a
> > >> 0.9.6
> > >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by that
> new release
> > >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9
> and Finlay
> > 1.0.
> > >> For me release should happen at least from month to month.
> have sense?
> > >>
> > >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here what
> they can do
> > >> and
> > >> work to earn some money too! :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Carlos Rovira
> > >> >
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> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Piotr Zarzycki
> > >
> > > Patreon: *
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> > > <
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> >*
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
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> > <
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> >*
> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Let's bump Royale version to 1.0
Posted by Serkan Taş <se...@likyateknoloji.com>.
Congratulations Alex,
Serkan...
18.02.2020 10:42 tarihinde Alex Harui yazdı:
> Today, I received permission to disclose that Alina & Pashmina's team has 88 of their modules ready for release (tested and validated by their QA team). They still have more modules to migrate before they deliver to their customer, but it is a good sign that the emulation is sufficient for many needs.
>
> Once I can merge the "has" branch and re-stabilize, I will hope that's the last big change we need for a while. I have heard that there are other migration efforts underway using migration and I'm sure they will keep finding bugs, but I'm feeling better about the emulation code.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 12/18/19, 9:05 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> Every day, I hope to hear news that Alina & Pashmina or Serkan or somebody else has deployed a production app using the MXRoyale and/or Spark Royale emulation components. But instead, I see more bugs being filed for "obvious" things. You can look at the issues list of open and fixed issues and the commits that fixed them to get a feel for it. Each of us has their own threshold of how good a 1.0 version should be, so if more of you can look at these bugs and think it is ok for a 1.0 to have these problems, then great, let's release the next version as 1.0, but when I try to remember what Flex 1.0 was like, I think it didn't have these kinds of problems.
>
> As Carlos said below, we get one chance to make a good first impression, so I am being conservative. But it isn't my decision alone. It is really up to the rest of you.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 12/18/19, 6:41 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Piotr,
>
> I'm afraid my perception is that we need to get to 1.0 in a natural way. I
> mean: releasing 1.0 and giving exposure in all ways we can (webs, social
> media, magazines,...), means people will try us. If they try and fail, will
> never come back. So think about this as "only on bullet in your gun", if
> you fail de shot, that will be bad for all the work we are done. I'm ok to
> release 1.0 as soon as we see from "bird eye perspective" that all things
> work as we expect.
>
> For me that things are:
>
> * Documentation will need to have at least some missing pages of features
> like: DataBindnig, Loading External Data (HTTPSerice, RemoteObject, JSON),
> View States, Item Renderers. Things like this are essential.
> * Emulation components need to be in a shape that allow migrations in a
> good degree. I think people approaching direct migration with emulation
> components will many issues. I don't take into account look and feel of
> emulation components, just functionality and working from a flex code
> perspective, and just normal use cases with MX/Spark code, not third party
> libraries that we have no control over. Simple apps like TDF, and examples
> should work.
>
> If we decided we want to bypass the previous, at least we need to ensure
> "first try" of Royale for a newcomer (someone that knows very few about the
> tech) is successful. This is most important things of all. The other two
> are needed if we want people does not get frustrated and have solutions on
> their own and stay with us. The opposite is people can have a first try
> successful but abandon Royale due to unfinished things.
>
> I think 0.9.7-SNAPSHOT captures in a realistic number where we are.
> Technology works, and most people using it now can do lots of things, but
> we still need to cover some things to reach that 1.0. We are not too far
> but I think is still some month in the future.
>
> just my 2 :)
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
> El mié., 18 dic. 2019 a las 10:30, Piotr Zarzycki (<
> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>) escribió:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > This thread is old and this was the last message from me. What has changed
> > on your end guys ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> > wt., 30 kwi 2019 o 10:07 Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>
> > napisał(a):
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > Thank you so far for a great discussion. I see that there is an obvious
> > > needs to improve documentation the most.
> > >
> > > I would like to express my personal feelings regarding releasing anything
> > > what is not 1.0 after 0.9.6. Based on my experience with this project I
> > > don't believe that releasing 0.9.7, 0.9.8 till 1.0 etc. will take less
> > than
> > > 6-8 months form now on. Even if we will have automatic release process I
> > > cannot believe that is going to happen in a less time than I mention.
> > >
> > > Why I'm thinking like that:
> > > - Justin just provided to the contributors generous offer - it's been
> > > couple of days and there is absolutely no response.
> > > - I've seen as part of the responses some concrete issues towards code in
> > > SDK. I don't believe that there will be anyone who fix them UNLESS
> > someone
> > > need that stuff in his application which has been under development in
> > his
> > > daily job. Which leads me to conclusion that we will wait months before
> > > anything from that list will be fixed.
> > >
> > > How Royale is going on right now?
> > > In my original email I expressed that it is enough good to bump it to 1.0
> > > - which gets us more credibility and push us to a better light. I got
> > clear
> > > responses from community that the only thing which is in the way of to
> > 1.0
> > > is documentation.
> > >
> > > W have one production app in Royale, another one has been created by
> > > Carlos. I'm working on the third one. Justin mention fourth one which I'm
> > > reviewing right now because it is written in Flex - it looks there won't
> > be
> > > problem with porting to Royale. To me it is enough proof that Royale is
> > as
> > > good as is to expose itself for more wider audience. Because this is
> > > exactly what will happen when we bump to that magic 1.0.
> > > People on this project are talking about community, my proposition to
> > bump
> > > Royale to 1.0 is towards community with hope that it helps grow thanks to
> > > that step. With hope that finally I will see on the list more people,
> > with
> > > hope that I will see someone who doesn't have background in ActionScript,
> > > but was curious about the project.
> > >
> > > In this thread I don't see rejection to my idea, so I'm going to work to
> > > improve some areas and start release with bumped version to 1.0, whether
> > it
> > > will be after 0.9.7, 0.9.8 it doesn't matter - What's really matter is
> > that
> > > we are not facing in current version any walls during development, so
> > this
> > > is enough to me giving that framework 1.0.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > pon., 29 kwi 2019 o 19:44 Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> > > napisał(a):
> > >
> > >> Hi Justin,
> > >>
> > >> great initiative, but some thoughts:
> > >>
> > >> 1.- As Olaf said, Alex or I are just two more devs, so we can say what
> > >> should we do. That's the apache way! :), only work towards the goal and
> > >> giving advice to make things happen. We decisions are community managed
> > >>
> > >> 2.- I think is very generous offer so people can contribute and earn
> > some
> > >> money and a great plan,
> > >>
> > >> Some things you should take into account for the rewarding plan:
> > >>
> > >> * We just get results of the poll about releasing published few minutes
> > >> ago. Seems people wants to focus docs first and release second (from 61
> > >> votes).
> > >> * In the other hand, I see Alex is still fighting with the release
> > >> process.
> > >> He stated that probably this week he will have the process ready to be
> > >> tested by someone.
> > >> If he get to that point that will be awesome, and hope others could be
> > the
> > >> first one in try to "push the button". If that works ok, we'll have a
> > >> 0.9.6
> > >> release (I think the one by Alex), and then a 0.9.7 (by that new release
> > >> manager). At that point, I figure we can plan 0.9.8, 0.9.9 and Finlay
> > 1.0.
> > >> For me release should happen at least from month to month. have sense?
> > >>
> > >> Just my my thoughts, but hope other want to share here what they can do
> > >> and
> > >> work to earn some money too! :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Carlos Rovira
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> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Piotr Zarzycki
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >
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>
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