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Posted to server-dev@james.apache.org by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com> on 2003/01/14 20:50:30 UTC
Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Let me ask that if you are subscribed to this list with the intent of
contributing to James development, that you please let us know.
I have created a new Wiki page:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesVolunteers, where people
interested in contributing to James can simply introduce themselves. Let us
know that you exist, that you are interested in helping out, and perhaps
what your interests might be. If you are working on something, perhaps let
us know.
I have only added myself. I would not presume to list Danny, Serge,
Charles, Peter, Aaron, Kenny, Nicola, Stephen, Steve Short, Andrei, Sergei,
or anyone else. But I do hope to see all of you (and more) there.
You might ask "Why? Putting myself on some Wiki page doesn't write code."
And that is true. But as I wrote on that page: "The life blood of every
Open Source Project is its Community. Communities are made up of people
willing to devote some of their time, creativity and energy to the project.
But a Community is more than just a set of people. There is a social aspect,
and people like to know that they have company. So let us know who you are."
I have also created a similar page for James Users to let us know what they
are doing.
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RE: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> All the RFCs describing the protocol are in cvs:
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/www/rfclist/
Or via the official route: http://jakarta.apache.org/james/rfclist.html
We don't want to encourage people to use the CVS server just to read the web
site. :-)
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Darrell DeBoer <da...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 08:17, Christian Myrvold wrote:
> Sounds like I have to learn the IMAP protocol. Any ideas where to start?
> I'm tired of using stalkers trial email-server anyway...
>
> - Christian
All the RFCs describing the protocol are in cvs:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/www/rfclist/
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Christian Myrvold <ch...@myrvold.info>.
Sounds like I have to learn the IMAP protocol. Any ideas where to start?
I'm tired of using stalkers trial email-server anyway...
- Christian
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>
>>Maybe it's time to step down from the lurking area
>>and dive into the code... :-)
>>
>>
>
>The IMAP proposal(s) certainly need a champion. :-) Perhaps you could get
>into them, and talk with Kenny about his focusing on some IMAP tests for
>you. He is working on RFC-based protocol tests, but I don't know the
>status.
>
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Kenny Smith <ke...@journalscape.com>.
Hi Peter,
I'm really just starting (wrote the first few lines of code like 10
minutes ago). I'll try to put together something once I have something
to actually say on the page. My first step is to write some junit
TestCases that will test the IMAP commands that are valid in any state. :)
Kenny Smith
Peter Svensson wrote:
> Nice,
>
> I would be glad to help out if I can :)
> I use a lot of OpenSource "products" so it would be nice to give something
> back.
>
> Kenny: Maybe you could put together some information and a webpage for this
> "project"?
>
> /Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
> To: "James Developers List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:01 PM
> Subject: IMAP Support
>
>
>
>>Peter,
>>
>>
>>>I was supposed to write was IMAP...
>>
>>Oh great. :-) There is some IMAP code in the proposals/ directories, but
>>it needs a lot of work. Between you, Kenny, Christian, and anyone else
>
> who
>
>>wants to kick in, it sounds as if there is the makings of an IMAP group.
>>:-)
>>
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Darrell DeBoer <da...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:16, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Darrell, would you please edit the Wiki page with instructions for the guys
> on how to build and configure James with the proposal code enabled? Also,
> guys, it doesn't appear that either of these proposals was updated when
> Danny made his recent cleanup and reorg pass through the codebase. I'm
> rushing, and haven't looked to see if there are any implications; just
> observing.
I've just started a new job, and don't have much time. But I'd like to keep
tinkering on IMAP - especially if there are others willing to share the
joy/pain...
My first task is to get the imap2 proposal synched with all of the commits
since the breaking of the code freeze. I'll attach a simple "how-to" to the
wiki page once that's done, if noone beats me to it.
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Kenny Smith <ke...@journalscape.com>.
> Please see: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesIMAP
Bookmarked. :)
> This is a Wiki page that you guys can use to record information, such as
> build tips, etc. I have put on it some of the comments already made, as
> well as a link to the IMAP RFCs.
>
> My suggestion is that we focus on IMAP for James v3, and not try to shoehorn
> it into James v2.
I think that's fair.
> Darrell, would you please edit the Wiki page with instructions for the guys
> on how to build and configure James with the proposal code enabled? Also,
> guys, it doesn't appear that either of these proposals was updated when
> Danny made his recent cleanup and reorg pass through the codebase. I'm
> rushing, and haven't looked to see if there are any implications; just
> observing.
>
> Kenny, you should also check the current proposals for some existing IMAP
> tests, as well as the main src tree (although I'm sure you've already done
> that :-)).
Definately.
> I would focus on the basic IMAP commands and getting things solid. For the
> time being, I don't see a lack of persistence during early development as a
> real problem, but you (as a group) have to make sure to let us all (as a
> larger group) know what functional requirements we have for an IMAP mail
> store. Search / index capabilties, for example.
I'm still learning about IMAP as a basic user in addition to a
developer. So, I'll keep an eye out for suggestions.
Kenny
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RE: IMAP Support
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Christian, Darrell, Kenny, Peter, [alphabetical]
Please see: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesIMAP
This is a Wiki page that you guys can use to record information, such as
build tips, etc. I have put on it some of the comments already made, as
well as a link to the IMAP RFCs.
My suggestion is that we focus on IMAP for James v3, and not try to shoehorn
it into James v2.
Darrell, would you please edit the Wiki page with instructions for the guys
on how to build and configure James with the proposal code enabled? Also,
guys, it doesn't appear that either of these proposals was updated when
Danny made his recent cleanup and reorg pass through the codebase. I'm
rushing, and haven't looked to see if there are any implications; just
observing.
Kenny, you should also check the current proposals for some existing IMAP
tests, as well as the main src tree (although I'm sure you've already done
that :-)).
I would focus on the basic IMAP commands and getting things solid. For the
time being, I don't see a lack of persistence during early development as a
real problem, but you (as a group) have to make sure to let us all (as a
larger group) know what functional requirements we have for an IMAP mail
store. Search / index capabilties, for example.
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Peter Svensson <pe...@sunfire.nu>.
Nice,
I would be glad to help out if I can :)
I use a lot of OpenSource "products" so it would be nice to give something
back.
Kenny: Maybe you could put together some information and a webpage for this
"project"?
/Peter
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From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Developers List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: IMAP Support
> Peter,
>
> > I was supposed to write was IMAP...
>
> Oh great. :-) There is some IMAP code in the proposals/ directories, but
> it needs a lot of work. Between you, Kenny, Christian, and anyone else
who
> wants to kick in, it sounds as if there is the makings of an IMAP group.
> :-)
>
> --- Noel
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Kenny Smith <ke...@journalscape.com>.
Hi Noel,
I'm trying to find docs on how to configure/enable IMAP for my James
installation, but I'm not finding anything on the James site. Am I just
looking in the wrong place? Also, is the current IMAP code unstable in
and of itself, or does it destabilize the whole system?
Kenny Smith
JournalScape.com
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Peter,
>
>
>>I was supposed to write was IMAP...
>
>
> Oh great. :-) There is some IMAP code in the proposals/ directories, but
> it needs a lot of work. Between you, Kenny, Christian, and anyone else who
> wants to kick in, it sounds as if there is the makings of an IMAP group.
> :-)
>
> --- Noel
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Serge Knystautas <se...@lokitech.com>.
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From: "Darrell DeBoer" <da...@apache.org>
> Yep, the current mail storage doesn't give the basic functionality we
need,
> like flag persistence, hierarchical mailboxes and searching. To get IMAP
> working with James2, we'll need an IMAP storage mechanism that is
> back-compatible with the current mechanism (in some way), so that SMTP can
> deliver to an "inbox" which is accessible both as a POP3 repository and a
> mailbox within the IMAP mailbox structure.
Aside from some search, what else do we need to add to the mail repository
interface to support IMAP?
Serge Knystautas
Loki Technologies
http://www.lokitech.com/
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Darrell DeBoer <da...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:10, Christian Myrvold wrote:
> G'day Darrell,
>
> Sounds good, I'll have a peak at the imap2 proposal. Then I can ask you
> for help when needed.
>
> I think it would be nice to have IMAP storage for the 2.x version. Is
> the current mail storage preventing this?
>
> - Christian
Yep, the current mail storage doesn't give the basic functionality we need,
like flag persistence, hierarchical mailboxes and searching. To get IMAP
working with James2, we'll need an IMAP storage mechanism that is
back-compatible with the current mechanism (in some way), so that SMTP can
deliver to an "inbox" which is accessible both as a POP3 repository and a
mailbox within the IMAP mailbox structure.
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Christian Myrvold <ch...@myrvold.info>.
G'day Darrell,
Sounds good, I'll have a peak at the imap2 proposal. Then I can ask you
for help when needed.
I think it would be nice to have IMAP storage for the 2.x version. Is
the current mail storage preventing this?
- Christian
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>G'day,
>
>You might want to look at the code in the proposals/imap2 directory. This is a
>"from-scratch" partial implementation of IMAP, which I was working on late
>last year. You could work on this, or use the ideas for your own proposal.
>
>The nice things about this proposal (IMHO):
>1) No cut-and-paste code
>2) SImple architecture
>3) Solid, easy to use test harness and test suite (can make changes and test
>without needing to start James - speeds up development iterations)
>
>The state of the code is that all commands are at least partially funcitonal,
>with basic protocol tests. I can connect to James-IMAP using KMail, check
>mail, move mail around, copy etc.
>
>The huge caveat is that the mail store is *not* persistent at the moment, it
>just held in memory. This is nice for testing, but not much good in real life
>;). Implementing a persistent store wouldn't be too hard, I just wanted to
>wait to see where the James3 plans were taking us.
>
>
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Darrell DeBoer <da...@apache.org>.
G'day,
You might want to look at the code in the proposals/imap2 directory. This is a
"from-scratch" partial implementation of IMAP, which I was working on late
last year. You could work on this, or use the ideas for your own proposal.
The nice things about this proposal (IMHO):
1) No cut-and-paste code
2) SImple architecture
3) Solid, easy to use test harness and test suite (can make changes and test
without needing to start James - speeds up development iterations)
The state of the code is that all commands are at least partially funcitonal,
with basic protocol tests. I can connect to James-IMAP using KMail, check
mail, move mail around, copy etc.
The huge caveat is that the mail store is *not* persistent at the moment, it
just held in memory. This is nice for testing, but not much good in real life
;). Implementing a persistent store wouldn't be too hard, I just wanted to
wait to see where the James3 plans were taking us.
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:51, Peter Svensson wrote:
> I haven't looked at the current codebase for IMAP support in James, but I
> feel that if it is not much we might as well start from scratch?
> I have to look at the code and IMAP protocol as well before doing some
> serious work, but it would be nice to start of and decide what parts of the
> protocol to implement first and how to do it.
> The IMAP protocol is pretty big and we should start with a subset of it to
> get started...
>
> PS: The weather here in Gothenburg/Sweden has been nice for a few days now,
> the sun is shining but the snow is gone though...
>
> /Peter
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Peter Svensson <pe...@sunfire.nu>.
I haven't looked at the current codebase for IMAP support in James, but I
feel that if it is not much we might as well start from scratch?
I have to look at the code and IMAP protocol as well before doing some
serious work, but it would be nice to start of and decide what parts of the
protocol to implement first and how to do it.
The IMAP protocol is pretty big and we should start with a subset of it to
get started...
PS: The weather here in Gothenburg/Sweden has been nice for a few days now,
the sun is shining but the snow is gone though...
/Peter
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From: "Christian Myrvold" <ch...@myrvold.info>
To: "James Developers List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: IMAP Support
> Noel,
>
> >Oh great. :-) There is some IMAP code in the proposals/ directories,
but
> >it needs a lot of work. Between you, Kenny, Christian, and anyone else
who
> >wants to kick in, it sounds as if there is the makings of an IMAP group.
> >:-)
> >
> > --- Noel
> >
> >
> So would it be better to start from scratch on IMAP or use the current
> code? I think I can fit some time into my schedule for JAMES. It's cold
> and dark here now anyway (Oslo, Norway) :-| Just give me some time to
> get familiar with CVS, Avalon and JAMES, and of course the IMAP protocol.
>
> - Christian
>
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Re: IMAP Support
Posted by Christian Myrvold <ch...@myrvold.info>.
Noel,
>Oh great. :-) There is some IMAP code in the proposals/ directories, but
>it needs a lot of work. Between you, Kenny, Christian, and anyone else who
>wants to kick in, it sounds as if there is the makings of an IMAP group.
>:-)
>
> --- Noel
>
>
So would it be better to start from scratch on IMAP or use the current
code? I think I can fit some time into my schedule for JAMES. It's cold
and dark here now anyway (Oslo, Norway) :-| Just give me some time to
get familiar with CVS, Avalon and JAMES, and of course the IMAP protocol.
- Christian
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IMAP Support
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Peter,
> I was supposed to write was IMAP...
Oh great. :-) There is some IMAP code in the proposals/ directories, but
it needs a lot of work. Between you, Kenny, Christian, and anyone else who
wants to kick in, it sounds as if there is the makings of an IMAP group.
:-)
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Peter Svensson <pe...@sunfire.nu>.
My misstake, what I was supposed to write was IMAP...but I was on the phone
at the time, sorry :)
/Peter
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From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Developers List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
> Peter,
>
> Welcome. :-)
>
> I'm sorry, but I didn't understand your comment. James has SMTP support.
> Kenny is contributing to a suite of protocol tests. Were you offering to
> enhance the SMTP support, or to work on protocol tests, or ... ?
>
> My apologies, again, for not quite understanding your note.
>
> --- Noel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Svensson [mailto:peter@sunfire.nu]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:54
> To: James Developers List
> Subject: Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm also new to James, but at least I have got it running on my server
now.
> Would be very nice with SMTP support and if someone has a project going on
I
> might be able to participate.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
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RE: Regexp Matcher
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Any chance on getting a hold of that Regexp matcher you said you made.
Yes. I really need to work on this after v2.1.1 is released, but here is
the most rude of rude implementations.
A subclass of GenericRegexMatcher calls compile() to setup the patterns that
will be used by match(). The match() method is a bit too simpleminded. Any
single match is sufficient. I want something more like PAM, with optional,
sufficient, and required checks:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/ref-guide/s1-pam-con
trol-flags.html
If you have time to do that, I would be most pleased. :-) I'm not ego
invested in the code. And since no one other than me has this code, there
is no compatibility to worry over. :-)
--- Noel
Regexp Matcher
Posted by Serge Sozonoff <se...@globalbeach.com>.
Hi Noel,
Any chance on getting a hold of that Regexp matcher you said you made.
Thanks, Sergei
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RE: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Peter,
Welcome. :-)
I'm sorry, but I didn't understand your comment. James has SMTP support.
Kenny is contributing to a suite of protocol tests. Were you offering to
enhance the SMTP support, or to work on protocol tests, or ... ?
My apologies, again, for not quite understanding your note.
--- Noel
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From: Peter Svensson [mailto:peter@sunfire.nu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:54
To: James Developers List
Subject: Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Hi,
I'm also new to James, but at least I have got it running on my server now.
Would be very nice with SMTP support and if someone has a project going on I
might be able to participate.
Regards,
Peter
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Peter Svensson <pe...@sunfire.nu>.
Hi,
I'm also new to James, but at least I have got it running on my server now.
Would be very nice with SMTP support and if someone has a project going on I
might be able to participate.
Regards,
Peter
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From: "Kenny Smith" <ke...@journalscape.com>
To: "James Developers List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
> Hey all,
>
> Currently I'm squeaking in time here and there to actually teach myself
> the ins and outs of the protocol. I've read the IMAP rfc and I'm going
> through the SMTP rfc right now.
>
> Kenny :)
>
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >>Maybe it's time to step down from the lurking area
> >>and dive into the code... :-)
> >
> >
> > The IMAP proposal(s) certainly need a champion. :-) Perhaps you could
get
> > into them, and talk with Kenny about his focusing on some IMAP tests for
> > you. He is working on RFC-based protocol tests, but I don't know the
> > status.
> >
> > --- Noel
> >
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Re: Protocol Testing
Posted by Kenny Smith <ke...@journalscape.com>.
Hi Noel,
> Everyone has limits on their time. :-)
>
> Why not pick one RFC at a time, do simple protocol tests for each section,
> post each as you do it, and build that way? That way people would see how
> things are progressing and could start using the tests, and you'd get
> feedback during the process.
Yeah, that is my preferred method, but coming down from the holidays has
only left me bits of time that aren't in front of a computer. So, being
able to read in line at the grocery store or stuff like that has been my
only way to make forward progress.
> Since you've read the IMAP RFC, and since we think that SMTP is pretty
> stable right now, does it make sense for you to start by doing protocol
> tests for IMAP? That would be helpful for people who want to start working
> on the IMAP support.
I think I've found a way to find more computer time to actually do this,
and this sounds like a really good idea, so I'll start moving in this
direction. :)
Kenny
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Protocol Testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Kenny,
> > The IMAP proposal(s) certainly need a champion. :-) Perhaps you could
get
> > into them, and talk with Kenny about his focusing on some IMAP tests for
> > you. He is working on RFC-based protocol tests, but I don't know the
> > status.
> Currently I'm squeaking in time here and there to actually teach myself
> the ins and outs of the protocol. I've read the IMAP rfc and I'm going
> through the SMTP rfc right now.
Everyone has limits on their time. :-)
Why not pick one RFC at a time, do simple protocol tests for each section,
post each as you do it, and build that way? That way people would see how
things are progressing and could start using the tests, and you'd get
feedback during the process.
Since you've read the IMAP RFC, and since we think that SMTP is pretty
stable right now, does it make sense for you to start by doing protocol
tests for IMAP? That would be helpful for people who want to start working
on the IMAP support.
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Kenny Smith <ke...@journalscape.com>.
Hey all,
Currently I'm squeaking in time here and there to actually teach myself
the ins and outs of the protocol. I've read the IMAP rfc and I'm going
through the SMTP rfc right now.
Kenny :)
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>Maybe it's time to step down from the lurking area
>>and dive into the code... :-)
>
>
> The IMAP proposal(s) certainly need a champion. :-) Perhaps you could get
> into them, and talk with Kenny about his focusing on some IMAP tests for
> you. He is working on RFC-based protocol tests, but I don't know the
> status.
>
> --- Noel
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RE: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Maybe it's time to step down from the lurking area
> and dive into the code... :-)
The IMAP proposal(s) certainly need a champion. :-) Perhaps you could get
into them, and talk with Kenny about his focusing on some IMAP tests for
you. He is working on RFC-based protocol tests, but I don't know the
status.
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Christian Myrvold <ch...@myrvold.info>.
Aha! Thank you Noel, I'll throw myself on there. Maybe it's time to step
down from the lurking area and dive into the code... :-)
- Christian
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> Christian,
>
>
>>Hmm.. And what is WIKI short for?
>
>
> It is short for Wiki wiki, which is Hawaiian for quick.
>
> The story of Wiki: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors
>
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RE: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Christian,
> Hmm.. And what is WIKI short for?
It is short for Wiki wiki, which is Hawaiian for quick.
The story of Wiki: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Christian Myrvold <ch...@myrvold.info>.
Hmm.. And what is WIKI short for?
- Christian
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> Kenny,
>
> At the bottom of the page is a link for editing the page. When you click on
> it, you'll be able to scroll to the bottom of the page and add yourself.
> Don't worry about screwing up. The Wiki is backed by a difference engine,
> so it is easy to fix things.
>
> I used a more complicated entry for myself than is necessary. Just scroll
> to the bottom of the edit field and enter something like:
>
> ----
> Kenny Smith - blah blah blah
>
> That will put a horizontal line, then your name and whatever comments you
> want. I might, at some point, reformat the page to use a bullet list, but
> ... <<shrug>> ... we'll see how things look. No big deal either way.
>
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RE: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Kenny,
At the bottom of the page is a link for editing the page. When you click on
it, you'll be able to scroll to the bottom of the page and add yourself.
Don't worry about screwing up. The Wiki is backed by a difference engine,
so it is easy to fix things.
I used a more complicated entry for myself than is necessary. Just scroll
to the bottom of the edit field and enter something like:
----
Kenny Smith - blah blah blah
That will put a horizontal line, then your name and whatever comments you
want. I might, at some point, reformat the page to use a bullet list, but
... <<shrug>> ... we'll see how things look. No big deal either way.
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Re: Are you a James Volunteer? :-)
Posted by Kenny Smith <ke...@journalscape.com>.
Hi Noel,
How do I add myself onto the page? I'm not familiar with wiki at all.
Kenny
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Let me ask that if you are subscribed to this list with the intent of
> contributing to James development, that you please let us know.
>
> I have created a new Wiki page:
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesVolunteers, where people
> interested in contributing to James can simply introduce themselves. Let us
> know that you exist, that you are interested in helping out, and perhaps
> what your interests might be. If you are working on something, perhaps let
> us know.
>
> I have only added myself. I would not presume to list Danny, Serge,
> Charles, Peter, Aaron, Kenny, Nicola, Stephen, Steve Short, Andrei, Sergei,
> or anyone else. But I do hope to see all of you (and more) there.
>
> You might ask "Why? Putting myself on some Wiki page doesn't write code."
> And that is true. But as I wrote on that page: "The life blood of every
> Open Source Project is its Community. Communities are made up of people
> willing to devote some of their time, creativity and energy to the project.
> But a Community is more than just a set of people. There is a social aspect,
> and people like to know that they have company. So let us know who you are."
>
> I have also created a similar page for James Users to let us know what they
> are doing.
>
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