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HiveMind & Tapestry
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new to Tapestry (day 1)...
I have decided to use Tapestry to develop our new J2EE websuite for our
new website. After reviewing JSF (not ready for prime-time), Struts
(more cumbersome than it's worth), W4T (commercial, which in and of
itself isn't a problem, but...) and Tapestry, Tapestry seemed the best
fit. The Spindle plug-in for Eclipse helped too.
I found a reference to HiveMind today and don't understand exactly what
it is and what it means for the future of Tapestry. Can someone
elaborate for me. I just want to make sure I'm investing time in a
technology that will be there in a few years.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Tommy E. Cole, Jr.
General Manager & C.O.O.
Lamatek, Inc.
tcole@lamatek.com
http://www.lamatek.com
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Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
Posted by "Kevin C. Dorff" <kd...@dorffweb.com>.
Geoff: Think of the following as a huge compliment: I just started using
Hibernate (hibernate.org) with my Tapestry apps and I really found
myself wishing you had a tool like Spindle for Hibernate.
Everybody: If you haven't checked out Hibernate, you should, it is
pretty cool, it assists with EASILY getting your data to and from the
database easily - has a learning curve especially when you start doing
one-to-many relationships mapped into your objects from the database,
but, it makes a beautiful addition to Tapestry apps. Leverages what you
learned in Tapestry to a degree (setup occurs in xml that leverages your
entity classes via JavaBeans methodology). I will have that "lines of
code" count down to almot zero soon ;)
Keep up the great Spindle work.
Thanks,
Kevin
Geoff Longman wrote:
>I'm not against building visual tools. Anything is open to consideration.
>Right now I'm getting the basics down.
>
>If you have an idea for a feature, add it as a feature request. The more
>detail the better as I won't be able to devote a lot of thought to things
>like that until the basics are done. Even better if a feature request sparks
>discussion/debate. I have a short list of things to build, although many of
>the features that have gone in during the last few cycles were spawned by
>users!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Geoff
>
>Geoffrey Longman
>Intelligent Works Inc.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom Cole" <tc...@lamatek.com>
>To: "'Tapestry users'" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:29 AM
>Subject: RE: HiveMind & Tapestry
>
>
>
>
>>Thanks Harish. I plan on getting Howard's book when it comes out in
>>January. Can't wait.
>>
>>Do you use Spindle for Eclipse? I haven't gotten into it yet, but I
>>understand that it has an editor, but no Visual Tool. I may have to
>>investigate writing plug-ins for Eclipse to see what this would involve.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Tom Cole
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:hkrishnaswamy@comcast.net]
>>Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:48 AM
>>To: Tapestry users
>>Subject: Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
>>
>>Short answer, Tapestry is here to stay and if at all anything, it is
>>only going forward!
>>
>>HiveMind is sought of a registry of services built from xml descriptors.
>>It has several other
>>features like declarative configuration of services and interceptors.
>>For more info please see the
>>website for its excellent documentation. HiveMind is created by the same
>>person that created
>>Tapestry, Howard, and in his own words "a lot of the ideas of HiveMind
>>germinated in Tapestry".
>>
>>The talk of HiveMind and Tapestry together is because the next version
>>of Tapestry (I mean 3.1, 3.0
>>is due shortly) will be refactored so HiveMind will act as its
>>micro-kernel, from what I understand.
>>Honestly, I cannot wait to see this happen. Now, from a user's
>>standpoint this should be pretty
>>seemless, I guess.
>>
>>Tapestry is certainly the best I have seen and it certainly is growing
>>stronger in terms of
>>community and the product itself. Hope this answers your concerns.
>>
>>Some reference info to get you started.
>>
>>http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc_frame.html
>>http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TapestryResources
>>
>>-Harish
>>
>>
>>
>>Tom Cole wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new to Tapestry (day 1)...
>>>
>>>I have decided to use Tapestry to develop our new J2EE websuite for
>>>
>>>
>>our
>>
>>
>>>new website. After reviewing JSF (not ready for prime-time), Struts
>>>(more cumbersome than it's worth), W4T (commercial, which in and of
>>>itself isn't a problem, but...) and Tapestry, Tapestry seemed the best
>>>fit. The Spindle plug-in for Eclipse helped too.
>>>
>>>I found a reference to HiveMind today and don't understand exactly
>>>
>>>
>>what
>>
>>
>>>it is and what it means for the future of Tapestry. Can someone
>>>elaborate for me. I just want to make sure I'm investing time in a
>>>technology that will be there in a few years.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>
>>>Tommy E. Cole, Jr.
>>>General Manager & C.O.O.
>>>Lamatek, Inc.
>>>tcole@lamatek.com
>>>http://www.lamatek.com
>>>
>>>
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Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
Posted by Geoff Longman <gl...@intelligentworks.com>.
I'm not against building visual tools. Anything is open to consideration.
Right now I'm getting the basics down.
If you have an idea for a feature, add it as a feature request. The more
detail the better as I won't be able to devote a lot of thought to things
like that until the basics are done. Even better if a feature request sparks
discussion/debate. I have a short list of things to build, although many of
the features that have gone in during the last few cycles were spawned by
users!
Cheers,
Geoff
Geoffrey Longman
Intelligent Works Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Cole" <tc...@lamatek.com>
To: "'Tapestry users'" <ta...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: HiveMind & Tapestry
> Thanks Harish. I plan on getting Howard's book when it comes out in
> January. Can't wait.
>
> Do you use Spindle for Eclipse? I haven't gotten into it yet, but I
> understand that it has an editor, but no Visual Tool. I may have to
> investigate writing plug-ins for Eclipse to see what this would involve.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Cole
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:hkrishnaswamy@comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
>
> Short answer, Tapestry is here to stay and if at all anything, it is
> only going forward!
>
> HiveMind is sought of a registry of services built from xml descriptors.
> It has several other
> features like declarative configuration of services and interceptors.
> For more info please see the
> website for its excellent documentation. HiveMind is created by the same
> person that created
> Tapestry, Howard, and in his own words "a lot of the ideas of HiveMind
> germinated in Tapestry".
>
> The talk of HiveMind and Tapestry together is because the next version
> of Tapestry (I mean 3.1, 3.0
> is due shortly) will be refactored so HiveMind will act as its
> micro-kernel, from what I understand.
> Honestly, I cannot wait to see this happen. Now, from a user's
> standpoint this should be pretty
> seemless, I guess.
>
> Tapestry is certainly the best I have seen and it certainly is growing
> stronger in terms of
> community and the product itself. Hope this answers your concerns.
>
> Some reference info to get you started.
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc_frame.html
> http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TapestryResources
>
> -Harish
>
>
>
> Tom Cole wrote:
> > Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new to Tapestry (day 1)...
> >
> > I have decided to use Tapestry to develop our new J2EE websuite for
> our
> > new website. After reviewing JSF (not ready for prime-time), Struts
> > (more cumbersome than it's worth), W4T (commercial, which in and of
> > itself isn't a problem, but...) and Tapestry, Tapestry seemed the best
> > fit. The Spindle plug-in for Eclipse helped too.
> >
> > I found a reference to HiveMind today and don't understand exactly
> what
> > it is and what it means for the future of Tapestry. Can someone
> > elaborate for me. I just want to make sure I'm investing time in a
> > technology that will be there in a few years.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Tommy E. Cole, Jr.
> > General Manager & C.O.O.
> > Lamatek, Inc.
> > tcole@lamatek.com
> > http://www.lamatek.com
> >
> >
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Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
Posted by Harish Krishnaswamy <hk...@comcast.net>.
Yes, I use Spindle and I like it a lot. Spindle has wizards to create projects, pages, components
and such. It has editors that are Tapestry friendly, provides content assist which is awesome and
also has outlines. Spindle is a development tool not a designer tool and so like you said it does
not provide any visual tools. I normally design my templates in Homesite and then use
Spindle/eclipse to Tapestrize the templates and other development. Geoff Longman is the author of
Spindle and he can provide more insight in plugin development, I suppose.
-Harish
Tom Cole wrote:
> Thanks Harish. I plan on getting Howard's book when it comes out in
> January. Can't wait.
>
> Do you use Spindle for Eclipse? I haven't gotten into it yet, but I
> understand that it has an editor, but no Visual Tool. I may have to
> investigate writing plug-ins for Eclipse to see what this would involve.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom Cole
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:hkrishnaswamy@comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:48 AM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
>
> Short answer, Tapestry is here to stay and if at all anything, it is
> only going forward!
>
> HiveMind is sought of a registry of services built from xml descriptors.
> It has several other
> features like declarative configuration of services and interceptors.
> For more info please see the
> website for its excellent documentation. HiveMind is created by the same
> person that created
> Tapestry, Howard, and in his own words "a lot of the ideas of HiveMind
> germinated in Tapestry".
>
> The talk of HiveMind and Tapestry together is because the next version
> of Tapestry (I mean 3.1, 3.0
> is due shortly) will be refactored so HiveMind will act as its
> micro-kernel, from what I understand.
> Honestly, I cannot wait to see this happen. Now, from a user's
> standpoint this should be pretty
> seemless, I guess.
>
> Tapestry is certainly the best I have seen and it certainly is growing
> stronger in terms of
> community and the product itself. Hope this answers your concerns.
>
> Some reference info to get you started.
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc_frame.html
> http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TapestryResources
>
> -Harish
>
>
>
> Tom Cole wrote:
>
>>Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new to Tapestry (day 1)...
>>
>>I have decided to use Tapestry to develop our new J2EE websuite for
>
> our
>
>>new website. After reviewing JSF (not ready for prime-time), Struts
>>(more cumbersome than it's worth), W4T (commercial, which in and of
>>itself isn't a problem, but...) and Tapestry, Tapestry seemed the best
>>fit. The Spindle plug-in for Eclipse helped too.
>>
>>I found a reference to HiveMind today and don't understand exactly
>
> what
>
>>it is and what it means for the future of Tapestry. Can someone
>>elaborate for me. I just want to make sure I'm investing time in a
>>technology that will be there in a few years.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>Tommy E. Cole, Jr.
>>General Manager & C.O.O.
>>Lamatek, Inc.
>>tcole@lamatek.com
>>http://www.lamatek.com
>>
>>
>>
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RE: HiveMind & Tapestry
Posted by Tom Cole <tc...@lamatek.com>.
Thanks Harish. I plan on getting Howard's book when it comes out in
January. Can't wait.
Do you use Spindle for Eclipse? I haven't gotten into it yet, but I
understand that it has an editor, but no Visual Tool. I may have to
investigate writing plug-ins for Eclipse to see what this would involve.
Best Regards,
Tom Cole
-----Original Message-----
From: Harish Krishnaswamy [mailto:hkrishnaswamy@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:48 AM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
Short answer, Tapestry is here to stay and if at all anything, it is
only going forward!
HiveMind is sought of a registry of services built from xml descriptors.
It has several other
features like declarative configuration of services and interceptors.
For more info please see the
website for its excellent documentation. HiveMind is created by the same
person that created
Tapestry, Howard, and in his own words "a lot of the ideas of HiveMind
germinated in Tapestry".
The talk of HiveMind and Tapestry together is because the next version
of Tapestry (I mean 3.1, 3.0
is due shortly) will be refactored so HiveMind will act as its
micro-kernel, from what I understand.
Honestly, I cannot wait to see this happen. Now, from a user's
standpoint this should be pretty
seemless, I guess.
Tapestry is certainly the best I have seen and it certainly is growing
stronger in terms of
community and the product itself. Hope this answers your concerns.
Some reference info to get you started.
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc_frame.html
http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TapestryResources
-Harish
Tom Cole wrote:
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new to Tapestry (day 1)...
>
> I have decided to use Tapestry to develop our new J2EE websuite for
our
> new website. After reviewing JSF (not ready for prime-time), Struts
> (more cumbersome than it's worth), W4T (commercial, which in and of
> itself isn't a problem, but...) and Tapestry, Tapestry seemed the best
> fit. The Spindle plug-in for Eclipse helped too.
>
> I found a reference to HiveMind today and don't understand exactly
what
> it is and what it means for the future of Tapestry. Can someone
> elaborate for me. I just want to make sure I'm investing time in a
> technology that will be there in a few years.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tommy E. Cole, Jr.
> General Manager & C.O.O.
> Lamatek, Inc.
> tcole@lamatek.com
> http://www.lamatek.com
>
>
>
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Re: HiveMind & Tapestry
Posted by Harish Krishnaswamy <hk...@comcast.net>.
Short answer, Tapestry is here to stay and if at all anything, it is only going forward!
HiveMind is sought of a registry of services built from xml descriptors. It has several other
features like declarative configuration of services and interceptors. For more info please see the
website for its excellent documentation. HiveMind is created by the same person that created
Tapestry, Howard, and in his own words "a lot of the ideas of HiveMind germinated in Tapestry".
The talk of HiveMind and Tapestry together is because the next version of Tapestry (I mean 3.1, 3.0
is due shortly) will be refactored so HiveMind will act as its micro-kernel, from what I understand.
Honestly, I cannot wait to see this happen. Now, from a user's standpoint this should be pretty
seemless, I guess.
Tapestry is certainly the best I have seen and it certainly is growing stronger in terms of
community and the product itself. Hope this answers your concerns.
Some reference info to get you started.
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/doc_frame.html
http://tapestry.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/TapestryResources
-Harish
Tom Cole wrote:
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm new to Tapestry (day 1)...
>
> I have decided to use Tapestry to develop our new J2EE websuite for our
> new website. After reviewing JSF (not ready for prime-time), Struts
> (more cumbersome than it's worth), W4T (commercial, which in and of
> itself isn't a problem, but...) and Tapestry, Tapestry seemed the best
> fit. The Spindle plug-in for Eclipse helped too.
>
> I found a reference to HiveMind today and don't understand exactly what
> it is and what it means for the future of Tapestry. Can someone
> elaborate for me. I just want to make sure I'm investing time in a
> technology that will be there in a few years.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tommy E. Cole, Jr.
> General Manager & C.O.O.
> Lamatek, Inc.
> tcole@lamatek.com
> http://www.lamatek.com
>
>
>
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