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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> on 2018/03/29 17:22:38 UTC
Using Slack for online discussions
How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online discussions?
The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite well
[1] [2].
[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
Thanks,
Thomas
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Aljoscha Krettek <al...@apache.org>.
-1
I would also be in favour of not adding a Slack channel. I see that it can be useful for people because it's a little more direct but I think that having Slack open and also receiving questions and contacts from people there adds more burden on developers that we shouldn't add. Plus, I think having a searchable mail archive is really nice and moving some discussion to slack breaks that.
> On 3. Apr 2018, at 08:17, Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> *As one of the admins for ASF slack*, let me clarify a few things:
>
> 1. ASF slack is open to everyone regardless of apache,org or not - u need
> to make a request on dev@ to be added to ASF slack if you don't have an
> apache.org
>
> 2. There is an archive bot in place on ASF slack for archiving older
> messages and keeping out to the free tier 10000 messages
>
> 3. I am with Till Rohrman, Chesnay and others here who have already
> expressed their -1 and am strong -1 too regarding moving Flink convos to a
> slack channel - *this project has been very exemplary in being transparent
> and community-driven from Day 1 as an Apache podling* - I really don't see
> a reason for Flink to be moving to slack.
>
> My -1 again to slack move.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> bq. A bot could archive the messages to a web site, or forward to the email
>> list
>>
>> I think some formatting / condensing may be needed if communication on
>> Slack is forwarded to mailing list - since the sentences on Slack may not
>> be as polished as on the emails.
>> There is also the mapping between a person's identity on Slack versus on
>> email.
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:56 AM, TechnoMage <ml...@technomage.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We use Slack in many contexts, company, community, etc. It has many
>>> advantages over email. For one being a separate channel from general
>> email
>>> it stands out when there are new messages. Notifications can be
>> configured
>>> separately for each channel, and can arrive on multiple mobile devices
>> with
>>> synchronization between them. A bot could archive the messages to a web
>>> site, or forward to the email list. It also allows upload of code
>> snippets
>>> with formatting and voice/screen sharing where appropriate. I would love
>>> to see it a supported platform.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The invite link is self service. Everyone can signup.
>>>>
>>>> As for the searchable record, it may be possible to archive what's
>> posted
>>>> on the slack channel by subscribing the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> I think a communication platform like Slack or IRC complements email,
>> the
>>>> type of messages there would typically be different from email threads.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is the lack of searchable public record (of Slack) that we should
>> be
>>>>> concerned with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, requiring invitation would be bottleneck for the growth of
>>>>> participants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice
>>> because
>>>>> it
>>>>>> allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once
>>> had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get
>>>>> lost
>>>>>> in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has
>>>>> been
>>>>>> reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the
>>> information
>>>>>> in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the
>>>>> usage
>>>>>> of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack
>>> channel
>>>>>> can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Till
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the background information.
>>>>>>> I withdraw previous +1
>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
>>>>>>> chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
>>>>>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online
>> discussions
>>>>>>> -1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. According to INFRA-14292
>>>>>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF
>> Slack
>>>>>>> isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
>>>>>>> questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF
>> service.
>>>>>>> If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
>>>>>>> 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub.
>>>>> All
>>>>>>> of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
>>>>>>> requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a
>> committer.
>>>>>>> This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
>>>>>>> much rather prefer something that is also available to
>>>>> contributors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>>>>> jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
>>>>>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online
>> discussions
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
>>>>>>> discussions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work
>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> [1] [2].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>> 1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
>>>>>>> ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
>> b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
>>>>>>> dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Suneel Marthi <sm...@apache.org>.
*As one of the admins for ASF slack*, let me clarify a few things:
1. ASF slack is open to everyone regardless of apache,org or not - u need
to make a request on dev@ to be added to ASF slack if you don't have an
apache.org
2. There is an archive bot in place on ASF slack for archiving older
messages and keeping out to the free tier 10000 messages
3. I am with Till Rohrman, Chesnay and others here who have already
expressed their -1 and am strong -1 too regarding moving Flink convos to a
slack channel - *this project has been very exemplary in being transparent
and community-driven from Day 1 as an Apache podling* - I really don't see
a reason for Flink to be moving to slack.
My -1 again to slack move.
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> bq. A bot could archive the messages to a web site, or forward to the email
> list
>
> I think some formatting / condensing may be needed if communication on
> Slack is forwarded to mailing list - since the sentences on Slack may not
> be as polished as on the emails.
> There is also the mapping between a person's identity on Slack versus on
> email.
>
> FYI
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:56 AM, TechnoMage <ml...@technomage.com> wrote:
>
> > We use Slack in many contexts, company, community, etc. It has many
> > advantages over email. For one being a separate channel from general
> email
> > it stands out when there are new messages. Notifications can be
> configured
> > separately for each channel, and can arrive on multiple mobile devices
> with
> > synchronization between them. A bot could archive the messages to a web
> > site, or forward to the email list. It also allows upload of code
> snippets
> > with formatting and voice/screen sharing where appropriate. I would love
> > to see it a supported platform.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > The invite link is self service. Everyone can signup.
> > >
> > > As for the searchable record, it may be possible to archive what's
> posted
> > > on the slack channel by subscribing the mailing list.
> > >
> > > I think a communication platform like Slack or IRC complements email,
> the
> > > type of messages there would typically be different from email threads.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It is the lack of searchable public record (of Slack) that we should
> be
> > >> concerned with.
> > >>
> > >> Also, requiring invitation would be bottleneck for the growth of
> > >> participants.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice
> > because
> > >> it
> > >>> allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once
> > had.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get
> > >> lost
> > >>> in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has
> > >> been
> > >>> reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the
> > information
> > >>> in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the
> > >> usage
> > >>> of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack
> > channel
> > >>> can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Till
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks for the background information.
> > >>>> I withdraw previous +1
> > >>>> -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
> > >>>> chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> > >>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online
> discussions
> > >>>> -1
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. According to INFRA-14292
> > >>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF
> Slack
> > >>>> isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
> > >>>> questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF
> service.
> > >>>> If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
> > >>>> 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub.
> > >> All
> > >>>> of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
> > >>>> requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a
> committer.
> > >>>> This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
> > >>>> much rather prefer something that is also available to
> > >> contributors.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> > >>>>> +1
> > >>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > >>>> jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> > >>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online
> discussions
> > >>>>> +1
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards
> > >>>>> JB
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> > >>>>>> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
> > >>>> discussions?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work
> > >> quite
> > >>>> well
> > >>>>>> [1] [2].
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
> 1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
> > >>>> ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
> b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
> > >>>> dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>> Thomas
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>.
bq. A bot could archive the messages to a web site, or forward to the email
list
I think some formatting / condensing may be needed if communication on
Slack is forwarded to mailing list - since the sentences on Slack may not
be as polished as on the emails.
There is also the mapping between a person's identity on Slack versus on
email.
FYI
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:56 AM, TechnoMage <ml...@technomage.com> wrote:
> We use Slack in many contexts, company, community, etc. It has many
> advantages over email. For one being a separate channel from general email
> it stands out when there are new messages. Notifications can be configured
> separately for each channel, and can arrive on multiple mobile devices with
> synchronization between them. A bot could archive the messages to a web
> site, or forward to the email list. It also allows upload of code snippets
> with formatting and voice/screen sharing where appropriate. I would love
> to see it a supported platform.
>
> Michael
>
> > On Apr 3, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > The invite link is self service. Everyone can signup.
> >
> > As for the searchable record, it may be possible to archive what's posted
> > on the slack channel by subscribing the mailing list.
> >
> > I think a communication platform like Slack or IRC complements email, the
> > type of messages there would typically be different from email threads.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It is the lack of searchable public record (of Slack) that we should be
> >> concerned with.
> >>
> >> Also, requiring invitation would be bottleneck for the growth of
> >> participants.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice
> because
> >> it
> >>> allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once
> had.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get
> >> lost
> >>> in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has
> >> been
> >>> reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the
> information
> >>> in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the
> >> usage
> >>> of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
> >>>
> >>> The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack
> channel
> >>> can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Till
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for the background information.
> >>>> I withdraw previous +1
> >>>> -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
> >>>> chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> >>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> >>>> -1
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. According to INFRA-14292
> >>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
> >>>> isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
> >>>> questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
> >>>> If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
> >>>> 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub.
> >> All
> >>>> of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
> >>>> requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
> >>>> This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
> >>>> much rather prefer something that is also available to
> >> contributors.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >>>> jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> >>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> JB
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> >>>>>> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
> >>>> discussions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work
> >> quite
> >>>> well
> >>>>>> [1] [2].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
> >>>> ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> >>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
> >>>> dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by TechnoMage <ml...@technomage.com>.
We use Slack in many contexts, company, community, etc. It has many advantages over email. For one being a separate channel from general email it stands out when there are new messages. Notifications can be configured separately for each channel, and can arrive on multiple mobile devices with synchronization between them. A bot could archive the messages to a web site, or forward to the email list. It also allows upload of code snippets with formatting and voice/screen sharing where appropriate. I would love to see it a supported platform.
Michael
> On Apr 3, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> The invite link is self service. Everyone can signup.
>
> As for the searchable record, it may be possible to archive what's posted
> on the slack channel by subscribing the mailing list.
>
> I think a communication platform like Slack or IRC complements email, the
> type of messages there would typically be different from email threads.
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is the lack of searchable public record (of Slack) that we should be
>> concerned with.
>>
>> Also, requiring invitation would be bottleneck for the growth of
>> participants.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice because
>> it
>>> allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once had.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get
>> lost
>>> in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has
>> been
>>> reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the information
>>> in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the
>> usage
>>> of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
>>>
>>> The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack channel
>>> can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
>>>
>>> [1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Till
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the background information.
>>>> I withdraw previous +1
>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
>>>> chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
>>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>> 1. According to INFRA-14292
>>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
>>>> isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
>>>> questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
>>>> If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
>>>> 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub.
>> All
>>>> of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
>>>> requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
>>>> This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
>>>> much rather prefer something that is also available to
>> contributors.
>>>>
>>>> On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
>>>>> +1
>>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>> jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
>>>> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> JB
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
>>>>>> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
>>>> discussions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work
>> quite
>>>> well
>>>>>> [1] [2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
>>>> ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
>>>> dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>.
The invite link is self service. Everyone can signup.
As for the searchable record, it may be possible to archive what's posted
on the slack channel by subscribing the mailing list.
I think a communication platform like Slack or IRC complements email, the
type of messages there would typically be different from email threads.
Thanks,
Thomas
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is the lack of searchable public record (of Slack) that we should be
> concerned with.
>
> Also, requiring invitation would be bottleneck for the growth of
> participants.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice because
> it
> > allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once had.
> >
> > On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get
> lost
> > in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has
> been
> > reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the information
> > in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the
> usage
> > of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
> >
> > The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack channel
> > can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
> >
> > [1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Till
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the background information.
> > > I withdraw previous +1
> > > -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
> > > chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> > > dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> > > -1
> > >
> > > 1. According to INFRA-14292
> > > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
> > > isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
> > > questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
> > > If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
> > > 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub.
> All
> > > of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
> > > requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
> > > This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
> > > much rather prefer something that is also available to
> contributors.
> > >
> > > On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> > > > +1
> > > > -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > > jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> > > dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > > On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> > > >> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
> > > discussions?
> > > >>
> > > >> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work
> quite
> > > well
> > > >> [1] [2].
> > > >>
> > > >> [1]
> > > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
> > > ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> > > >> [2]
> > > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
> > > dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Thomas
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>.
It is the lack of searchable public record (of Slack) that we should be
concerned with.
Also, requiring invitation would be bottleneck for the growth of
participants.
Cheers
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice because it
> allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once had.
>
> On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get lost
> in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has been
> reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the information
> in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the usage
> of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
>
> The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack channel
> can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
>
> [1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
>
> Cheers,
> Till
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the background information.
> > I withdraw previous +1
> > -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
> > chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> > dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> > -1
> >
> > 1. According to INFRA-14292
> > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
> > isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
> > questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
> > If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
> > 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub. All
> > of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
> > requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
> > This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
> > much rather prefer something that is also available to contributors.
> >
> > On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> > > +1
> > > -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> > dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> > >> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
> > discussions?
> > >>
> > >> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite
> > well
> > >> [1] [2].
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
> > ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> > >> [2]
> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
> > dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Thomas
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Till Rohrmann <tr...@apache.org>.
I'm a bit torn here. On the one hand I think Slack would be nice because it
allows a more direct interaction. Similar to the IRC channel we once had.
On the other hand, I fear that some information/discussions might get lost
in the depths of Slack and at least after the 10000 message limit has been
reached. Posting these things on the ML allows to persist the information
in the ML archives. Moreover, it would discourage to some extent the usage
of the ML in general which is not in the sense of the ASF.
The problem that only ASF committers have access to the ASF slack channel
can be solved by an explicit invite for everyone [1].
[1] https://s.apache.org/slack-invite
Cheers,
Till
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the background information.
> I withdraw previous +1
> -------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <
> chesnay@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> -1
>
> 1. According to INFRA-14292
> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
> isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
> questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
> If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
> 2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub. All
> of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
> requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
> This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
> much rather prefer something that is also available to contributors.
>
> On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> > +1
> > -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> > +1
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> >> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online
> discussions?
> >>
> >> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite
> well
> >> [1] [2].
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695
> ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> >> [2]
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361
> dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Thomas
> >>
>
>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the background information.
I withdraw previous +1
-------- Original message --------From: Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> Date: 4/3/18 4:50 AM (GMT-08:00) To: dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
-1
1. According to INFRA-14292
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub. All
of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
much rather prefer something that is also available to contributors.
On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> +1
> -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To: dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> +1
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
>> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online discussions?
>>
>> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite well
>> [1] [2].
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
-1
1. According to INFRA-14292
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-14292> the ASF Slack
isn't run by the ASF. This alone puts this service into rather
questionable territory as it /looks/ like an official ASF service.
If anyone can provide information to the contrary, please do so.
2. We already discuss things on the mailing lists, JIRA and GitHub. All
of these are available to the public, whereas the slack channel
requires an @apache mail address, i.e. you have to be a committer.
This minimizes the target audience rather significantly. I would
much rather prefer something that is also available to contributors.
On 30.03.2018 10:17, Ted Yu wrote:
> +1
> -------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To: dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
> +1
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
>> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online discussions?
>>
>> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite well
>> [1] [2].
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Ted Yu <yu...@gmail.com>.
+1
-------- Original message --------From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> Date: 3/30/18 12:43 AM (GMT-08:00) To: dev@flink.apache.org Subject: Re: Using Slack for online discussions
+1
Regards
JB
On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online discussions?
>
> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite well
> [1] [2].
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Using Slack for online discussions
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
+1
Regards
JB
On 03/29/2018 07:22 PM, Thomas Weise wrote:
> How does the community think about using ASF Slack for online discussions?
>
> The Beam project started to use it recently and it seems to work quite well
> [1] [2].
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1bee60193823a8411dcfad7a6de695ac1d779ae5d14f7b954ffa5961@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b82871dc16b63a4e74cd6373405361dfbd75810073f98542ba82ed41@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com