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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Len Parker <lp...@cox.net> on 2007/09/25 05:38:41 UTC
org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
I'm a newbie, so be gentle, please.
If I'm at the wrong list, what list would be correct?
I just installed OFBiz and I get the following error when I execute
"java -jar ofbiz.jar":
org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509
KeyManagerFactory not available)
And, I get this error each time it calls "Sunx509 KeyManagerFactory".
I'm running RHEL5 and I have JDK 1.5 installed.
I ran "./ant" and "./ant run-install" with no problems.
My purpose is to show the boss OFBiz, and then maybe we can save a few
buck!
I thought that I knew java fairly well, but I've never used the SSL
layer that it provides. I don't understand why it can't find the
KeyManagerFactory.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Len
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException:
Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler
initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not
available)
Posted by Len Parker <lp...@cox.net>.
Problem Solved!
Thank you BJ, Walter, Jacopo, and Jacques, for your replies!!
It turns out that I have java 1.5 installed from both IBM and SUN!
The /usr/bin/java is a link to
"/etc/alternatives/java" which in turn links to
"/usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-ibm/bin/java". I removed this link and linked to
"/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.12/bin/java", and everything works as
promised.
I realize that this is not the correct way to accomplish this task,
since most of the other java stuff remains linked to the IBM stuff.
However, it was a quick, and easy/lazy, way to determine if this was the
problem. Now, I just need to figure out the correct way! The day is
young!
<sarcasm>
Now, if I can get IBM, Sun, and RedHat, to play nicely in the same
sandbox, I'll consider tackling more serious problems like world hunger,
after lunch!
</sarcasm>
Again, thanks for your replies and your time!! I'm sure that I'll be
back with hopefully more challenging questions in the future!
Len
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 09:16 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> you can also modify the ofbiz.rc to point to the java you are using
> before installing it in the etc folders per the instructions.
>
>
> Len Parker sent the following on 9/25/2007 8:21 AM:
> > First, thanks for your reply.
> >
> > Yes, I'm running RedHat Enterprise Linux Version 5 (RHEL5).
> >
> > I installed "jdk-6u2-linux-i586-rpm" obtained from the Sun site.
> >
> > I also have java 1.4 and java 1.5 installed. Java 1.4 is what was/is
> > installed by RHEL5 initial installation. I'm not sure where I got java
> > 1.5, but I'll check to insure it was from Sun, and if not, I'll remove
> > it and install it from Sun's site.
> >
> > Thanks for your time and your reply. I'll post back with the results of
> > the 1.5 question.
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 21:12 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >
> >> I am guessing you are on a linux box with the opensource JDK
> >> it won't work
> >> you need to download from the sun site the java SDK
> >> depends on the I spent hours trying to get fedora to work. finally gave up
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Len Parker sent the following on 9/24/2007 8:38 PM:
> >>> I'm a newbie, so be gentle, please.
> >>>
> >>> If I'm at the wrong list, what list would be correct?
> >>>
> >>> I just installed OFBiz and I get the following error when I execute
> >>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
> >>>
> >>> org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
> >>> (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509
> >>> KeyManagerFactory not available)
> >>>
> >>> And, I get this error each time it calls "Sunx509 KeyManagerFactory".
> >>>
> >>> I'm running RHEL5 and I have JDK 1.5 installed.
> >>>
> >>> I ran "./ant" and "./ant run-install" with no problems.
> >>>
> >>> My purpose is to show the boss OFBiz, and then maybe we can save a few
> >>> buck!
> >>>
> >>> I thought that I knew java fairly well, but I've never used the SSL
> >>> layer that it provides. I don't understand why it can't find the
> >>> KeyManagerFactory.
> >>>
> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Len
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
you can also modify the ofbiz.rc to point to the java you are using
before installing it in the etc folders per the instructions.
Len Parker sent the following on 9/25/2007 8:21 AM:
> First, thanks for your reply.
>
> Yes, I'm running RedHat Enterprise Linux Version 5 (RHEL5).
>
> I installed "jdk-6u2-linux-i586-rpm" obtained from the Sun site.
>
> I also have java 1.4 and java 1.5 installed. Java 1.4 is what was/is
> installed by RHEL5 initial installation. I'm not sure where I got java
> 1.5, but I'll check to insure it was from Sun, and if not, I'll remove
> it and install it from Sun's site.
>
> Thanks for your time and your reply. I'll post back with the results of
> the 1.5 question.
>
> Len
>
>
> On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 21:12 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>
>> I am guessing you are on a linux box with the opensource JDK
>> it won't work
>> you need to download from the sun site the java SDK
>> depends on the I spent hours trying to get fedora to work. finally gave up
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Len Parker sent the following on 9/24/2007 8:38 PM:
>>> I'm a newbie, so be gentle, please.
>>>
>>> If I'm at the wrong list, what list would be correct?
>>>
>>> I just installed OFBiz and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>> org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
>>> (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509
>>> KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>> And, I get this error each time it calls "Sunx509 KeyManagerFactory".
>>>
>>> I'm running RHEL5 and I have JDK 1.5 installed.
>>>
>>> I ran "./ant" and "./ant run-install" with no problems.
>>>
>>> My purpose is to show the boss OFBiz, and then maybe we can save a few
>>> buck!
>>>
>>> I thought that I knew java fairly well, but I've never used the SSL
>>> layer that it provides. I don't understand why it can't find the
>>> KeyManagerFactory.
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Len
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot
init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization
failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Len Parker <lp...@cox.net>.
First, thanks for your reply.
Yes, I'm running RedHat Enterprise Linux Version 5 (RHEL5).
I installed "jdk-6u2-linux-i586-rpm" obtained from the Sun site.
I also have java 1.4 and java 1.5 installed. Java 1.4 is what was/is
installed by RHEL5 initial installation. I'm not sure where I got java
1.5, but I'll check to insure it was from Sun, and if not, I'll remove
it and install it from Sun's site.
Thanks for your time and your reply. I'll post back with the results of
the 1.5 question.
Len
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 21:12 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> I am guessing you are on a linux box with the opensource JDK
> it won't work
> you need to download from the sun site the java SDK
> depends on the I spent hours trying to get fedora to work. finally gave up
>
>
>
>
> Len Parker sent the following on 9/24/2007 8:38 PM:
> > I'm a newbie, so be gentle, please.
> >
> > If I'm at the wrong list, what list would be correct?
> >
> > I just installed OFBiz and I get the following error when I execute
> > "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
> >
> > org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
> > (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509
> > KeyManagerFactory not available)
> >
> > And, I get this error each time it calls "Sunx509 KeyManagerFactory".
> >
> > I'm running RHEL5 and I have JDK 1.5 installed.
> >
> > I ran "./ant" and "./ant run-install" with no problems.
> >
> > My purpose is to show the boss OFBiz, and then maybe we can save a few
> > buck!
> >
> > I thought that I knew java fairly well, but I've never used the SSL
> > layer that it provides. I don't understand why it can't find the
> > KeyManagerFactory.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Len
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
I am guessing you are on a linux box with the opensource JDK
it won't work
you need to download from the sun site the java SDK
depends on the I spent hours trying to get fedora to work. finally gave up
Len Parker sent the following on 9/24/2007 8:38 PM:
> I'm a newbie, so be gentle, please.
>
> If I'm at the wrong list, what list would be correct?
>
> I just installed OFBiz and I get the following error when I execute
> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
> org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
> (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509
> KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
> And, I get this error each time it calls "Sunx509 KeyManagerFactory".
>
> I'm running RHEL5 and I have JDK 1.5 installed.
>
> I ran "./ant" and "./ant run-install" with no problems.
>
> My purpose is to show the boss OFBiz, and then maybe we can save a few
> buck!
>
> I thought that I knew java fairly well, but I've never used the SSL
> layer that it provides. I don't understand why it can't find the
> KeyManagerFactory.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
De : "Jacopo Cappellato" <ti...@sastau.it>
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> this gap soon.
>
> Jacopo
I can't wait ;o)
Jacques
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
Skip:
ERP is usually related to manufacturing, so in my estimate is is a
limited system for a finite market.
I don't think, though I am in the minority that Ofbiz should be
characterized as an ERP system but as a system that has ERP capability.
As far as i know obiz OOTB is meant for Vars not end users.
Si is a VAR that has done Added value to the basics.
he still uses the core ofbiz for his products.
also si's work has filtered into ofbiz OOTB.
Skip sent the following on 9/25/2007 11:04 AM:
> Jacopo
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open Source
> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an acronym
> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great
> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I
> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users up to
> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>
> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and making
> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need considerable
> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
> businesses.
>
> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>
> My two $.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>
> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
> can be used out of the box.
> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
> efficient and easy.
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> this gap soon.
>
> Jacopo
>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
:)
On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move
>> to their mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for
>> migrating people over there.
>
> I thought for a second I was opening a can of worms, and once I did
> that I should have deleted that paragraph.
>
> Note to self... don't do that again. (Then again, dementia has
> taken ahold of my super-power memory so who knows if I'll remember
> this in a day :) )
>
> --
> Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot
init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization
failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Len Parker <lp...@cox.net>.
At this point in the game I don't want to pretend to understand the
differences between OFBiz, Opentaps, or ERP (Early Retirement Program).
I didn't take the comments about Opentaps to be a sales pitch. I took
it as an informative message to a total newbie who could be barking up
the wrong tree. And, I greatly appreciate Walter's and Jacopo's
comments! To a newbie the difference is not immediately apparent!
Walter's message alerted me to the possibility that I may not understand
all I know about this subject! I'm very happy that he did NOT delete
that paragraph!!
I also didn't realize that there was a different mailing list. So, thank
you Tim for pointing that out. Undoubtedly you saved me from getting
embarrassed when I asked the wrong question!
I understand the need to remain "on task" with a mailing list, but from
my point of view the information that I have received while on this
mailing list has been extremely valuable and important! And I've only
been on the list for about 12 hours! I'm looking forward to learning
much more!
Len
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 15:17 -0400, Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
> > Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> > their mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating
> > people over there.
>
> I thought for a second I was opening a can of worms, and once I did that I
> should have deleted that paragraph.
>
> Note to self... don't do that again. (Then again, dementia has taken ahold of my
> super-power memory so who knows if I'll remember this in a day :) )
>
> --
> Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Walter Vaughan <wv...@steelerubber.com>.
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> their mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating
> people over there.
I thought for a second I was opening a can of worms, and once I did that I
should have deleted that paragraph.
Note to self... don't do that again. (Then again, dementia has taken ahold of my
super-power memory so who knows if I'll remember this in a day :) )
--
Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Skip wrote:
> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz applications,
> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager type
> person the meaning of these terms:
> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is Capture,
> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
> etc. etc.
> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually be
> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a few
> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back office
> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, the
> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly jargon.
> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
> when needed.
>
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
> understood by the people using them.
Actually, given those names along with a context most people familiar with business processes and terms could at least come up with a pretty close guess as to what those means.
All of this is made up stuff, there is nothing natural for humans, so it depends 100% on prior experience. Most users of any system will need some sort of training or documentation to help them through what they need to do, especially the first few times.
That can certainly be reduced by user interfaces tailored to the needs of a certain role or task (which EXACTLY why OFBiz is licensed using something very friendly to derivative works), but even then generally not eliminated.
> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and commercial.
> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am committed
> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
That's a nice thing to say, I hope that for you, like many others before you, it will turn out to remain that way throughout your experience.
The real focus of most of the effort so far in the project, as many have noted, is to provide good tools and lower level artifacts that can be easily customized to more quickly get to the application you need, and obviously it is best suited to the staggeringly complex applications so many of us are asked frequently to put together.
Hopefully as the project grows we'll have more user interfaces tailored to a specific role or task. There are quite a few now, but that is an open world with nearly infinite possibilities...
> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing agents,
> the sales folks, and all the rest.
You've probably already noticed this, but just to make it clear for conversation sake: the specific roles and requirements for the client you are working with are probably similar to, but different in key ways, than what is needed for other industries and even other companies in the same industry. The intent of OFBiz is to make it applicable across a wide set of such, which is why the OOTB applications tend to include lots of stuff that ANY particular user (or better said: role or task) wouldn't need, but some other user would.
-David
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
> The most difficult client is someone who tries to shoehorn OFBiz into the one
> app they're used to!
Oh. Didn't realize I was going through nightmare after nightmare. :) Yeah, I think you're right.
Jonathon
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> No nerves my friend - just trying to make sure the information gets
> articulated properly to everyone. And yes, some terms are not friendly
> for the local small businessman - but since they weren't just made up
> out of thin air - I challenge you to ask them just about any question
> where the answer doesn't come from a very simple, quite limiting tool
> and expect to get a proper answer.
>
> OFBiz is a GREAT platform to build a business around, you just have to
> have worked with it longer than some people might like to get
> proficient. And THAT should be the goal with all of this IMHO.
>
> By the way, I would LOVE to see mods to the backend that would help
> usability. My personal experience is it's much easier to train them to
> train others than it is to tailor every operation to what a user is used
> to. The most difficult client is someone who tries to shoehorn OFBiz
> into the one app they're used to!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Skip wrote:
>
>> Tim
>>
>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>
>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
>> testing. I am
>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>
>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>> person the meaning of these terms:
>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>> etc. etc.
>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
>> actually be
>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are
>> a few
>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications
>> OOTB, the
>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
>> when needed.
>>
>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
>> understood by the people using them.
>>
>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>
>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>
>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>> have done.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org <ma...@ofbiz.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
>> on the existing processes.
>>
>>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>> Source
>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>> acronym
>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
>> side. I
>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
>> up to
>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>
>>
>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>> making
>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>> considerable
>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>> businesses.
>>
>>
>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>
>>
>> My two $.
>>
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org <ma...@ofbiz.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>> can be used out of the box.
>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it
>> to fit
>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
>> efficient and easy.
>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>> this gap soon.
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegenc e tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
No nerves my friend - just trying to make sure the information gets
articulated properly to everyone. And yes, some terms are not
friendly for the local small businessman - but since they weren't
just made up out of thin air - I challenge you to ask them just about
any question where the answer doesn't come from a very simple, quite
limiting tool and expect to get a proper answer.
OFBiz is a GREAT platform to build a business around, you just have
to have worked with it longer than some people might like to get
proficient. And THAT should be the goal with all of this IMHO.
By the way, I would LOVE to see mods to the backend that would help
usability. My personal experience is it's much easier to train them
to train others than it is to tailor every operation to what a user
is used to. The most difficult client is someone who tries to
shoehorn OFBiz into the one app they're used to!
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:49 PM, Skip wrote:
> Tim
>
> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond
> briefly.
>
> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
> OOTB".
> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
> testing. I am
> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>
> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
> applications,
> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go
> to your
> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or
> manager type
> person the meaning of these terms:
> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
> Capture,
> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason
> Enum,
> etc. etc.
> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them
> (and they
> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
> actually be
> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These
> are a few
> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz
> back office
> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications
> OOTB, the
> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
> jargon.
> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
> critical
> when needed.
>
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> to use
> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI
> using terms
> understood by the people using them.
>
> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated
> lots of
> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
> commercial.
> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
> committed
> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>
> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to
> think
> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
> agents,
> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>
> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who
> contribute
> have done.
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
> OOTB,
> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running
> their
> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be
> able to
> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of
> ramp up
> on the existing processes.
>
>
> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move
> to their
> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people
> over
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an
> Open
> Source
> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
> acronym
> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is
> a great
> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would
> agree
> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource
> planning side. I
> would also say that the training time to bring casual
> backoffice users
> up to
> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>
>
> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the
> holes and
> making
> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
> considerable
> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium
> sized
> businesses.
>
>
> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>
>
> My two $.
>
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
>
>
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
>
> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what
> you are
> looking for.
>
>
> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP
> system that
> can be used out of the box.
> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize
> it to fit
> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and
> widgets is
> efficient and easy.
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the
> most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully
> fill
> this gap soon.
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can
> deal
> with
> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps.
> (NOTE:
> This
> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there
> are
> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
> something
> to show the pointy headed boss).
>
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
>
> --
> Walter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Jacopo,
The Manufacturing module in OFBiz is an exception! It's very complete and very powerful. Thanks to
you. :)
Jonathon
Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Adrian,
>
> Adrian Crum wrote:
>> Skip,
>>
>> You'll find the OFBiz community to be a bit schizophrenic.
>
> hmmm... ok, I am, you are right on this. :-)
>
>> Those who say OFBiz is ready to use out of the box are generally those
>> who use it primarily for eCommerce. People like yourself who say that
>> OFBiz out of the box is unusable without a custom UI are the ones who
>> want to build back office functionality.
>
> No, I don't agree with this. I'm not an expert of ecommerce and I've
> never delivered this application to my customers: I'm really focused on
> the backend (orders, manufacturing and fulfillment processes in general).
> One of our customer is live with the OFBiz since June (they are an
> important Italian company and they are running OFBiz to manage the
> processes of a manufacturing facility in China) and I can proudly
> confirm that they are running it with very minor customizations.
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> Jacopo
>
>> Both camps are correct - it just depends upon your perspective.
>>
>> Btw, there are efforts underway to make user-friendly apps based on
>> OFBiz. Asset Maintenance is a good example. We're using it here (a
>> non-eCommerce installation) out of the box.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>> Skip wrote:
>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>
>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>> OOTB".
>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
>>> testing. I am
>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>
>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>>> applications,
>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
>>> your
>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or
>>> manager type
>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>>> Capture,
>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>> etc. etc.
>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
>>> they
>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
>>> actually be
>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These
>>> are a few
>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>>> office
>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications
>>> OOTB, the
>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>>> jargon.
>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
>>> critical
>>> when needed.
>>>
>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to
>>> use
>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
>>> terms
>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated
>>> lots of
>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>>> commercial.
>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>>> committed
>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>>> agents,
>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>
>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who
>>> contribute
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>> OOTB,
>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be
>>> able to
>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of
>>> ramp up
>>> on the existing processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>>> their
>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>> Source
>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>> acronym
>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>>> great
>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
>>> side. I
>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
>>> users
>>> up to
>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>
>>>
>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes
>>> and
>>> making
>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>> considerable
>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My two $.
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>>
>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your boss...
>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you
>>> are
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system
>>> that
>>> can be used out of the box.
>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it
>>> to fit
>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and
>>> widgets is
>>> efficient and easy.
>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>> this gap soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>> with
>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>> This
>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>> something
>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Adrian,
Adrian Crum wrote:
> Skip,
>
> You'll find the OFBiz community to be a bit schizophrenic.
hmmm... ok, I am, you are right on this. :-)
> Those who say
> OFBiz is ready to use out of the box are generally those who use it
> primarily for eCommerce. People like yourself who say that OFBiz out of
> the box is unusable without a custom UI are the ones who want to build
> back office functionality.
No, I don't agree with this. I'm not an expert of ecommerce and I've
never delivered this application to my customers: I'm really focused on
the backend (orders, manufacturing and fulfillment processes in general).
One of our customer is live with the OFBiz since June (they are an
important Italian company and they are running OFBiz to manage the
processes of a manufacturing facility in China) and I can proudly
confirm that they are running it with very minor customizations.
Just my 2 cents
Jacopo
> Both camps are correct - it just depends upon
> your perspective.
>
> Btw, there are efforts underway to make user-friendly apps based on
> OFBiz. Asset Maintenance is a good example. We're using it here (a
> non-eCommerce installation) out of the box.
>
> -Adrian
>
> Skip wrote:
>
>> Tim
>>
>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>
>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
>> testing. I am
>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>
>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
>> your
>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>> person the meaning of these terms:
>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>> etc. etc.
>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
>> they
>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
>> actually be
>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are
>> a few
>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications
>> OOTB, the
>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
>> critical
>> when needed.
>>
>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
>> terms
>> understood by the people using them.
>>
>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated
>> lots of
>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>
>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>
>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>> have done.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of
>> ramp up
>> on the existing processes.
>>
>>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>> Source
>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>> acronym
>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
>> side. I
>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
>> users
>> up to
>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>
>>
>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>> making
>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>> considerable
>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>> businesses.
>>
>>
>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>
>>
>> My two $.
>>
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>> can be used out of the box.
>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it
>> to fit
>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and
>> widgets is
>> efficient and easy.
>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>> this gap soon.
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Adrian Crum wrote:
> You'll find the OFBiz community to be a bit schizophrenic. Those who say
> OFBiz is ready to use out of the box are generally those who use it
> primarily for eCommerce. People like yourself who say that OFBiz out of
> the box is unusable without a custom UI are the ones who want to build
> back office functionality. Both camps are correct - it just depends upon
> your perspective.
That's an interesting perspective... but my thought at I was reading this is that it's a bit of the opposite. Usually ecommerce involves branding and other things intended for use by, and enjoyment of ;), customers. This usually involves a lot of customization, often throwing out and redoing all HTML in the ecommerce FTL files (which is why they are ftl files and not form widget defs), and often changing or refactoring or writing additional data prep and input processing code.
On the back end it just depends on what the company wants... I've seen client do more customization on the back end than on the customer facing stuff, though sometimes that's a really bad idea because on the back end you have to watch ROI and make sure investments really do make more things possible or make things easier/faster/cheaper for employees.
-David
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
Skip,
You'll find the OFBiz community to be a bit schizophrenic. Those who say OFBiz is ready to use out
of the box are generally those who use it primarily for eCommerce. People like yourself who say that
OFBiz out of the box is unusable without a custom UI are the ones who want to build back office
functionality. Both camps are correct - it just depends upon your perspective.
Btw, there are efforts underway to make user-friendly apps based on OFBiz. Asset Maintenance is a
good example. We're using it here (a non-eCommerce installation) out of the box.
-Adrian
Skip wrote:
> Tim
>
> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>
> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I am
> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>
> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz applications,
> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager type
> person the meaning of these terms:
> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is Capture,
> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
> etc. etc.
> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually be
> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a few
> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back office
> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, the
> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly jargon.
> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
> when needed.
>
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
> understood by the people using them.
>
> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and commercial.
> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am committed
> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>
> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing agents,
> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>
> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
> have done.
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
> on the existing processes.
>
>
> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to their
> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
> Source
> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
> acronym
> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great
> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I
> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
> up to
> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>
>
> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
> making
> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
> considerable
> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
> businesses.
>
>
> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>
>
> My two $.
>
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
>
>
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
>
> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
> looking for.
>
>
> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
> can be used out of the box.
> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
> efficient and easy.
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> this gap soon.
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
> with
> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
> This
> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
> something
> to show the pointy headed boss).
>
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
>
> --
> Walter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Yeah, in fact, this was how we "changed" the UI terms. We were talking about a mere discrepancy in
terminologies, I think.
Jonathon
BJ Freeman wrote:
> Maybe having the ability to use a language properties to change the
> display of the names would be the best approach.
> this would allow more versatility without changing the core application.
>
> David E Jones sent the following on 9/25/2007 8:43 PM:
>> Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found
>> I think everyone will be very open to changing them.
>>
>> Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are
>> actually thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz
>> and so the change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and
>> telling them what it means and how it is different (usually less
>> granular) than what they were imagining was more effective.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> skip@theDevers wrote:
>>> Jonathon
>>>
>>> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am
>>> happy to
>>> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding
>>> time.
>>> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they
>>> will
>>> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current
>>> state. A
>>> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>>>
>>> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
>>> accounting
>>> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I
>>> have a
>>> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served.
>>> It is
>>> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
>>> lingo begins to diverge.
>>>
>>> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe
>>> we can
>>> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip,
>>>
>>> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>>>
>>> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
>>> but above the framework.
>>> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
>>> tally the facts and
>>> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz
>>> world" and
>>> "real world". Such a
>>> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier
>>> for me
>>> to talk to future clients!
>>>
>>> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
>>> gravitate
>>> OFBiz towards the real
>>> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
>>> some holes too.
>>>
>>> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
>>> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
>>> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best
>>> practice". It's
>>> just a real world
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
>>> clients who say they want
>>> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz
>>> way of
>>> doing things".
>>>
>>> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
>>> into
>>> OFBiz and make it more
>>> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
>>> system. :)
>>>
>>> Jonathon
>>>
>>> Skip wrote:
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>>
>>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>>> OOTB".
>>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
>>>> testing. I
>>> am
>>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>>
>>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>>> applications,
>>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
>>>> your
>>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>>> type
>>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>>> Capture,
>>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>>> etc. etc.
>>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
>>>> they
>>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
>>>> actually
>>> be
>>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
>>> few
>>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>>> office
>>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
>>> the
>>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>>> jargon.
>>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
>>>> critical
>>>> when needed.
>>>>
>>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to
>>>> use
>>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
>>>> terms
>>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated
>>>> lots of
>>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>>> commercial.
>>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>>> committed
>>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>>
>>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>>> agents,
>>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>>
>>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who
>>>> contribute
>>>> have done.
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>>> OOTB,
>>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be
>>>> able to
>>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of
>>>> ramp up
>>>> on the existing processes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>>> their
>>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tim
>>>> --
>>>> Tim Ruppert
>>>> HotWax Media
>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> o:801.649.6594
>>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>>> Source
>>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>>> acronym
>>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>>> great
>>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
>>>> side.
>>> I
>>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
>>>> users
>>>> up to
>>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes
>>>> and
>>>> making
>>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>>> considerable
>>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>>> businesses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My two $.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Skip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding your boss...
>>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you
>>>> are
>>>> looking for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system
>>>> that
>>>> can be used out of the box.
>>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
>>> fit
>>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and
>>>> widgets is
>>>> efficient and easy.
>>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>>> this gap soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>>> with
>>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>>> This
>>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>>> something
>>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Walter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
>>> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
BJ
I agree completely. Making these properties that can be changed would be
especially benefitial to non-english language users.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: BJ Freeman [mailto:bjfree@free-man.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:42 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Maybe having the ability to use a language properties to change the
display of the names would be the best approach.
this would allow more versatility without changing the core application.
David E Jones sent the following on 9/25/2007 8:43 PM:
>
> Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found
> I think everyone will be very open to changing them.
>
> Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are
> actually thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz
> and so the change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and
> telling them what it means and how it is different (usually less
> granular) than what they were imagining was more effective.
>
> -David
>
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
>> Jonathon
>>
>> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am
>> happy to
>> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding
>> time.
>> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they
>> will
>> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current
>> state. A
>> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>>
>> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
>> accounting
>> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I
>> have a
>> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served.
>> It is
>> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
>> lingo begins to diverge.
>>
>> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe
>> we can
>> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>>
>> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
>> but above the framework.
>> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
>> tally the facts and
>> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz
>> world" and
>> "real world". Such a
>> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier
>> for me
>> to talk to future clients!
>>
>> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
>> gravitate
>> OFBiz towards the real
>> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
>> some holes too.
>>
>> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
>> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
>> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>>
>> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>>
>> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best
>> practice". It's
>> just a real world
>> observation.
>>
>> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
>> clients who say they want
>> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz
>> way of
>> doing things".
>>
>> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
>> into
>> OFBiz and make it more
>> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
>> system. :)
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Skip wrote:
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>
>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>> OOTB".
>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
>>> testing. I
>> am
>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>
>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
>>> your
>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>> etc. etc.
>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
>>> they
>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
>>> actually
>> be
>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
>> few
>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
>> the
>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
>>> critical
>>> when needed.
>>>
>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to
>>> use
>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
>>> terms
>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated
>>> lots of
>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>
>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who
>>> contribute
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>> OOTB,
>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be
>>> able to
>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of
>>> ramp up
>>> on the existing processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>> Source
>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>> acronym
>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
>>> side.
>> I
>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
>>> users
>>> up to
>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>
>>>
>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes
>>> and
>>> making
>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>> considerable
>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My two $.
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>>
>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your boss...
>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you
>>> are
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system
>>> that
>>> can be used out of the box.
>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
>> fit
>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and
>>> widgets is
>>> efficient and easy.
>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>> this gap soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>> with
>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>> This
>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>> something
>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
>> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
Maybe having the ability to use a language properties to change the
display of the names would be the best approach.
this would allow more versatility without changing the core application.
David E Jones sent the following on 9/25/2007 8:43 PM:
>
> Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found
> I think everyone will be very open to changing them.
>
> Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are
> actually thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz
> and so the change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and
> telling them what it means and how it is different (usually less
> granular) than what they were imagining was more effective.
>
> -David
>
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
>> Jonathon
>>
>> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am
>> happy to
>> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding
>> time.
>> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they
>> will
>> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current
>> state. A
>> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>>
>> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
>> accounting
>> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I
>> have a
>> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served.
>> It is
>> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
>> lingo begins to diverge.
>>
>> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe
>> we can
>> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>>
>> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
>> but above the framework.
>> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
>> tally the facts and
>> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz
>> world" and
>> "real world". Such a
>> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier
>> for me
>> to talk to future clients!
>>
>> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
>> gravitate
>> OFBiz towards the real
>> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
>> some holes too.
>>
>> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
>> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
>> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>>
>> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>>
>> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best
>> practice". It's
>> just a real world
>> observation.
>>
>> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
>> clients who say they want
>> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz
>> way of
>> doing things".
>>
>> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
>> into
>> OFBiz and make it more
>> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
>> system. :)
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Skip wrote:
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>
>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>> OOTB".
>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for
>>> testing. I
>> am
>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>
>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
>>> your
>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>> etc. etc.
>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
>>> they
>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would
>>> actually
>> be
>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
>> few
>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
>> the
>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
>>> critical
>>> when needed.
>>>
>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to
>>> use
>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
>>> terms
>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated
>>> lots of
>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>
>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who
>>> contribute
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
>>> OOTB,
>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be
>>> able to
>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of
>>> ramp up
>>> on the existing processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>> Source
>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>> acronym
>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
>>> side.
>> I
>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
>>> users
>>> up to
>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>
>>>
>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes
>>> and
>>> making
>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>> considerable
>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My two $.
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>>
>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your boss...
>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you
>>> are
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system
>>> that
>>> can be used out of the box.
>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
>> fit
>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and
>>> widgets is
>>> efficient and easy.
>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>> this gap soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>> with
>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>> This
>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>> something
>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
>> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
De : "David E Jones" <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Have you read through "The Data Model Resource Book(s)"? They don't have everything in them, but are extremely helpful for getting
the general concepts.
Mandatory.
You may also have a look at http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBENDUSER/Undersun+Doc+Site+PDF+Exports
Jacques
>
> -David
>
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
> > David
> >
> > I expect you are right, especially as I have spent most of my time digging
> > through source code instead of learning Ofbiz in detail from a users
> > perspective. However, I think it can only be helpful to document exactly
> > what each of these fields that are not self-explanatory do. I know it will
> > help me when I deliver this from gettig a million support phone calls.
> >
> > Skip
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David E Jones [mailto:jonesde@hotwaxmedia.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:44 PM
> > To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> > catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> > java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found I
> > think everyone will be very open to changing them.
> >
> > Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are actually
> > thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz and so the
> > change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and telling them
> > what it means and how it is different (usually less granular) than what they
> > were imagining was more effective.
> >
> > -David
> >
> >
> > skip@theDevers wrote:
> >> Jonathon
> >>
> >> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy
> > to
> >> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
> >> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
> >> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
> >> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
> >>
> >> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
> > accounting
> >> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have
> > a
> >> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It
> > is
> >> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
> >> lingo begins to diverge.
> >>
> >> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
> > can
> >> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
> >>
> >> Skip
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
> >> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> >> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> >> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
> >>
> >>
> >> Skip,
> >>
> >> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
> >>
> >> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
> >> but above the framework.
> >> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
> >> tally the facts and
> >> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world"
> > and
> >> "real world". Such a
> >> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
> >> to talk to future clients!
> >>
> >> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
> > gravitate
> >> OFBiz towards the real
> >> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
> >> some holes too.
> >>
> >> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> >> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> >> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
> >>
> >> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
> >>
> >> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice".
> > It's
> >> just a real world
> >> observation.
> >>
> >> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
> >> clients who say they want
> >> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way
> > of
> >> doing things".
> >>
> >> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
> > into
> >> OFBiz and make it more
> >> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
> >> system. :)
> >>
> >> Jonathon
> >>
> >> Skip wrote:
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
> >>>
> >>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
> >>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
> >>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
> >> am
> >>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
> >>>
> >>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
> >> applications,
> >>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
> > your
> >>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
> >> type
> >>> person the meaning of these terms:
> >>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
> >> Capture,
> >>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
> >>> etc. etc.
> >>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
> > they
> >>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
> >> be
> >>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
> >> few
> >>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
> >> office
> >>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
> >> the
> >>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
> >> jargon.
> >>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
> > critical
> >>> when needed.
> >>>
> >>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
> >>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
> > terms
> >>> understood by the people using them.
> >>>
> >>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots
> > of
> >>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
> >> commercial.
> >>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
> >> committed
> >>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
> >>>
> >>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
> >>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
> >>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
> >> agents,
> >>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
> >>>
> >>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
> >>> have done.
> >>>
> >>> Skip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
> >>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> >>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> >>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
> >>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
> >>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
> >>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp
> > up
> >>> on the existing processes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> >> their
> >>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
> >>> there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Tim
> >>> --
> >>> Tim Ruppert
> >>> HotWax Media
> >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> o:801.649.6594
> >>> f:801.649.6595
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jacopo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
> >>> Source
> >>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
> >>> acronym
> >>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
> >> great
> >>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
> >>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
> > side.
> >> I
> >>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
> > users
> >>> up to
> >>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
> >>> making
> >>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
> >>> considerable
> >>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
> >>> businesses.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My two $.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Skip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> >>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> >>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> >>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> >>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
> >>> Len Parker wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> >>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What does "java -version" say?
> >>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regarding your boss...
> >>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
> >>> looking for.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
> >>> can be used out of the box.
> >>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> >>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
> >> fit
> >>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> >>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets
> > is
> >>> efficient and easy.
> >>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> >>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> >>> this gap soon.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jacopo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> >>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
> >>> with
> >>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
> >>> This
> >>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
> >>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
> >>> something
> >>> to show the pointy headed boss).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Welcome aboard!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Walter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> No virus found in this incoming message.
> >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
> >> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
> >>
> >>
> >
>
RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
David
"Have you read through "The Data Model Resource Book(s)"? They don't have
everything in them, but are extremely helpful for getting the general
concepts."
Yep, volumn 1 only though.
Skip
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Have you read through "The Data Model Resource Book(s)"? They don't have everything in them, but are extremely helpful for getting the general concepts.
-David
skip@theDevers wrote:
> David
>
> I expect you are right, especially as I have spent most of my time digging
> through source code instead of learning Ofbiz in detail from a users
> perspective. However, I think it can only be helpful to document exactly
> what each of these fields that are not self-explanatory do. I know it will
> help me when I deliver this from gettig a million support phone calls.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David E Jones [mailto:jonesde@hotwaxmedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:44 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
>
> Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found I
> think everyone will be very open to changing them.
>
> Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are actually
> thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz and so the
> change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and telling them
> what it means and how it is different (usually less granular) than what they
> were imagining was more effective.
>
> -David
>
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
>> Jonathon
>>
>> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy
> to
>> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
>> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
>> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
>> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>>
>> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
> accounting
>> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have
> a
>> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It
> is
>> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
>> lingo begins to diverge.
>>
>> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
> can
>> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>>
>> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
>> but above the framework.
>> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
>> tally the facts and
>> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world"
> and
>> "real world". Such a
>> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
>> to talk to future clients!
>>
>> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
> gravitate
>> OFBiz towards the real
>> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
>> some holes too.
>>
>> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
>> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
>> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>>
>> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>>
>> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice".
> It's
>> just a real world
>> observation.
>>
>> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
>> clients who say they want
>> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way
> of
>> doing things".
>>
>> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
> into
>> OFBiz and make it more
>> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
>> system. :)
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Skip wrote:
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>
>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
>> am
>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>
>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
> your
>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>> etc. etc.
>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
> they
>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
>> be
>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
>> few
>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
>> the
>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
> critical
>>> when needed.
>>>
>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
> terms
>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots
> of
>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>
>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp
> up
>>> on the existing processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>> Source
>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>> acronym
>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
> side.
>> I
>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
> users
>>> up to
>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>
>>>
>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>>> making
>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>> considerable
>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My two $.
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>>
>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your boss...
>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>>> can be used out of the box.
>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
>> fit
>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets
> is
>>> efficient and easy.
>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>> this gap soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>> with
>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>> This
>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>> something
>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
>> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>>
>>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
I have found the webtools, which have been greatly enhanced in the last
few year, to be a benefit in this area.
skip@theDevers sent the following on 9/25/2007 9:16 PM:
> David
>
> I expect you are right, especially as I have spent most of my time digging
> through source code instead of learning Ofbiz in detail from a users
> perspective. However, I think it can only be helpful to document exactly
> what each of these fields that are not self-explanatory do. I know it will
> help me when I deliver this from gettig a million support phone calls.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David E Jones [mailto:jonesde@hotwaxmedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:44 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
>
> Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found I
> think everyone will be very open to changing them.
>
> Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are actually
> thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz and so the
> change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and telling them
> what it means and how it is different (usually less granular) than what they
> were imagining was more effective.
>
> -David
>
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
>> Jonathon
>>
>> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy
> to
>> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
>> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
>> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
>> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>>
>> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
> accounting
>> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have
> a
>> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It
> is
>> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
>> lingo begins to diverge.
>>
>> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
> can
>> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>>
>> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
>> but above the framework.
>> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
>> tally the facts and
>> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world"
> and
>> "real world". Such a
>> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
>> to talk to future clients!
>>
>> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
> gravitate
>> OFBiz towards the real
>> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
>> some holes too.
>>
>> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
>> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
>> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>>
>> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>>
>> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice".
> It's
>> just a real world
>> observation.
>>
>> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
>> clients who say they want
>> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way
> of
>> doing things".
>>
>> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
> into
>> OFBiz and make it more
>> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
>> system. :)
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Skip wrote:
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>
>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
>> am
>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>
>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
> your
>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>> etc. etc.
>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
> they
>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
>> be
>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
>> few
>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
>> the
>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
> critical
>>> when needed.
>>>
>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
> terms
>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots
> of
>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>
>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp
> up
>>> on the existing processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>> Source
>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>> acronym
>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
> side.
>> I
>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
> users
>>> up to
>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>
>>>
>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>>> making
>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>> considerable
>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My two $.
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>>
>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your boss...
>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>>> can be used out of the box.
>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
>> fit
>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets
> is
>>> efficient and easy.
>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>> this gap soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>> with
>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>> This
>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>> something
>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
>> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
David
I expect you are right, especially as I have spent most of my time digging
through source code instead of learning Ofbiz in detail from a users
perspective. However, I think it can only be helpful to document exactly
what each of these fields that are not self-explanatory do. I know it will
help me when I deliver this from gettig a million support phone calls.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: David E Jones [mailto:jonesde@hotwaxmedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:44 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found I
think everyone will be very open to changing them.
Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are actually
thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz and so the
change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and telling them
what it means and how it is different (usually less granular) than what they
were imagining was more effective.
-David
skip@theDevers wrote:
> Jonathon
>
> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy
to
> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>
> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
accounting
> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have
a
> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It
is
> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
> lingo begins to diverge.
>
> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
can
> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip,
>
> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>
> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
> but above the framework.
> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
> tally the facts and
> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world"
and
> "real world". Such a
> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
> to talk to future clients!
>
> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
gravitate
> OFBiz towards the real
> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
> some holes too.
>
> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>
> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>
> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice".
It's
> just a real world
> observation.
>
> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
> clients who say they want
> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way
of
> doing things".
>
> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
into
> OFBiz and make it more
> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
> system. :)
>
> Jonathon
>
> Skip wrote:
>> Tim
>>
>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>
>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
> am
>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>
>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
> applications,
>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
your
>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
> type
>> person the meaning of these terms:
>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
> Capture,
>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>> etc. etc.
>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
they
>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
> be
>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
> few
>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
> office
>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
> the
>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
> jargon.
>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
critical
>> when needed.
>>
>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
terms
>> understood by the people using them.
>>
>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots
of
>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
> commercial.
>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
> committed
>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>
>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
> agents,
>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>
>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>> have done.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp
up
>> on the existing processes.
>>
>>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> their
>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>> Source
>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>> acronym
>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
> great
>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
side.
> I
>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
users
>> up to
>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>
>>
>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>> making
>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>> considerable
>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>> businesses.
>>
>>
>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>
>>
>> My two $.
>>
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>> can be used out of the box.
>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
> fit
>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets
is
>> efficient and easy.
>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>> this gap soon.
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found I think everyone will be very open to changing them.
Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are actually thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz and so the change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and telling them what it means and how it is different (usually less granular) than what they were imagining was more effective.
-David
skip@theDevers wrote:
> Jonathon
>
> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy to
> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>
> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two accounting
> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have a
> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It is
> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
> lingo begins to diverge.
>
> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we can
> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip,
>
> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>
> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
> but above the framework.
> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
> tally the facts and
> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world" and
> "real world". Such a
> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
> to talk to future clients!
>
> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to gravitate
> OFBiz towards the real
> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
> some holes too.
>
> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>
> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>
> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice". It's
> just a real world
> observation.
>
> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
> clients who say they want
> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way of
> doing things".
>
> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got into
> OFBiz and make it more
> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
> system. :)
>
> Jonathon
>
> Skip wrote:
>> Tim
>>
>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>
>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
> am
>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>
>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
> applications,
>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
> type
>> person the meaning of these terms:
>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
> Capture,
>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>> etc. etc.
>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
> be
>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
> few
>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
> office
>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
> the
>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
> jargon.
>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
>> when needed.
>>
>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
>> understood by the people using them.
>>
>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
> commercial.
>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
> committed
>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>
>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
> agents,
>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>
>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>> have done.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
>> on the existing processes.
>>
>>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> their
>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>> Source
>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>> acronym
>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
> great
>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side.
> I
>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
>> up to
>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>
>>
>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>> making
>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>> considerable
>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>> businesses.
>>
>>
>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>
>>
>> My two $.
>>
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>> can be used out of the box.
>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
> fit
>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
>> efficient and easy.
>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>> this gap soon.
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Skip,
Try XMLmind . I use Emacs. As for documentation, you might not need it! DocBook is simple,
intuitive. It's like HTML, but much simpler and easier.
Jonathon
skip@theDevers wrote:
> Accounting is mine then. Sadly though, I don't know docbook. Can you point
> me somewhere to have a look at some documentation?
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:46 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> > If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
> can
> > split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>
> Accounting is where you can help! I've done PartyMgr, halfway through
> Catalog and Product.
>
> I've been using DocBook. Do you know DocBook? It's easier than HTML, and
> it's plain text so it can
> be version-controlled.
>
> Jonathon
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
>> Jonathon
>>
>> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy
> to
>> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
>> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
>> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
>> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>>
>> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
> accounting
>> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have
> a
>> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It
> is
>> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
>> lingo begins to diverge.
>>
>> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
> can
>> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip,
>>
>> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>>
>> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
>> but above the framework.
>> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
>> tally the facts and
>> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world"
> and
>> "real world". Such a
>> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
>> to talk to future clients!
>>
>> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
> gravitate
>> OFBiz towards the real
>> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
>> some holes too.
>>
>> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
>> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
>> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>>
>> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>>
>> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice".
> It's
>> just a real world
>> observation.
>>
>> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
>> clients who say they want
>> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way
> of
>> doing things".
>>
>> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
> into
>> OFBiz and make it more
>> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
>> system. :)
>>
>> Jonathon
>>
>> Skip wrote:
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>>
>>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
>> am
>>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>>
>>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
>> applications,
>>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
> your
>>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
>> type
>>> person the meaning of these terms:
>>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
>> Capture,
>>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>>> etc. etc.
>>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
> they
>>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
>> be
>>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
>> few
>>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
>> office
>>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
>> the
>>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
>> jargon.
>>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
> critical
>>> when needed.
>>>
>>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
> terms
>>> understood by the people using them.
>>>
>>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots
> of
>>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
>> commercial.
>>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
>> committed
>>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
>> agents,
>>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>>
>>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>>> have done.
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp
> up
>>> on the existing processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
>> their
>>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tim
>>> --
>>> Tim Ruppert
>>> HotWax Media
>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>> o:801.649.6594
>>> f:801.649.6595
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>>> Source
>>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>>> acronym
>>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
>> great
>>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
> side.
>> I
>>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
> users
>>> up to
>>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>>
>>>
>>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>>> making
>>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>>> considerable
>>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>>> businesses.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> My two $.
>>>
>>>
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>>> Len Parker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>>
>>>
>>> What does "java -version" say?
>>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your boss...
>>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>>> can be used out of the box.
>>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
>> fit
>>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets
> is
>>> efficient and easy.
>>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>>> this gap soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>>
>>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>>> with
>>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>>> This
>>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>>> something
>>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
>> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
unsubscribe
Posted by Canh Phan <cx...@yahoo.com>.
--- "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org> wrote:
> Accounting is mine then. Sadly though, I don't know
> docbook. Can you point
> me somewhere to have a look at some documentation?
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:46 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException:
> Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization
> failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not
> available)
>
>
> > If you will give me a list of the modules you
> haven't done yet, maybe we
> can
> > split the load and feed the result back to the
> community.
>
> Accounting is where you can help! I've done
> PartyMgr, halfway through
> Catalog and Product.
>
> I've been using DocBook. Do you know DocBook? It's
> easier than HTML, and
> it's plain text so it can
> be version-controlled.
>
> Jonathon
>
> skip@theDevers wrote:
> > Jonathon
> >
> > "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those
> terms...". I am happy
> to
> > help with this because I would rather not spend
> gobs of hand-holding time.
> > I expect to go live with my first customer in
> about 2 months and they will
> > have to live with a majority of the functionality
> in its current state. A
> > "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
> >
> > I have 20 years experience with these folks and
> have written two
> accounting
> > applications used by hundreds of users over that
> time, so I "think" I have
> a
> > fair understanding of the terminolgy in the
> industries I have served. It
> is
> > my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly
> generic. Beyond that, the
> > lingo begins to diverge.
> >
> > If you will give me a list of the modules you
> haven't done yet, maybe we
> can
> > split the load and feed the result back to the
> community.
> >
> > Skip
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathon -- Improov
> [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
> > To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> > Subject: Re:
> org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> > catalina-container (Protocol handler
> initialization failed:
> > java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not
> available)
> >
> >
> > Skip,
> >
> > I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have
> taken up OFBiz.
> >
> > I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those
> terms, everything OFBiz
> > but above the framework.
> > After that, I'll be approaching the real world
> (not the OFBiz world) to
> > tally the facts and
> > figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy
> between "OFBiz world"
> and
> > "real world". Such a
> > "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will
> make it MUCH easier for me
> > to talk to future clients!
> >
> > As it is now, more than half of my projects
> required some work to
> gravitate
> > OFBiz towards the real
> > world. In particular, accounting is a major void.
> Payment processing has
> > some holes too.
> >
> > > That is why I say that it is probably
> uneconomical to train people
> > > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more
> economical to rewrite the
> > > UI using terms understood by the people using
> them.
> >
> > Definitely. All of my projects required that.
> Changing the UI.
> >
> > I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de
> facto or "best practice".
> It's
> > just a real world
> > observation.
> >
> > Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice
> versa. There are some
> > clients who say they want
> > to follow best practices, and they want to try
> going with the "OFBiz way
> of
> > doing things".
> >
> > Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on
> channeling all we got
> into
> > OFBiz and make it more
> > viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz
> overtakes the number one ERP
> > system. :)
> >
> > Jonathon
> >
> > Skip wrote:
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies.
> Let me respond briefly.
> >>
> >> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general
> to use it close to OOTB".
> >> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue
> here. I am a software
> >> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using
> it except for testing. I
> > am
> >> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses
> with three to follow.
> >>
> >> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back
> office Ofbiz
> > applications,
> >> are not designed for the real people to use. As
> some examples, go to
> your
> >> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask
> the A/R, A/P or manager
> > type
> >> person the meaning of these terms:
> >> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type
> Id, Manual Auth Is
> > Capture,
> >> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct,
> Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
> >> etc. etc.
> >> If that person can correctly identify the purpose
> of any of them (and
> they
> >> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very
> surprised. I would actually
> > be
> >> surprised if you know all of them off the top of
> your head. These are a
> > few
> >> of the ones I copied and pasted from various
> places in the Ofbiz back
> > office
> >> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use
> these applications OOTB,
> > the
> >> person using it has to be educated on the meaning
> of what is mostly
> > jargon.
> >> Remember too that some of these applications are
> rarely used, but
> critical
> >> when needed.
> >>
> >> That is why I say that it is probably
> uneconomical to train people to use
>
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RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
Accounting is mine then. Sadly though, I don't know docbook. Can you point
me somewhere to have a look at some documentation?
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:46 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
can
> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
Accounting is where you can help! I've done PartyMgr, halfway through
Catalog and Product.
I've been using DocBook. Do you know DocBook? It's easier than HTML, and
it's plain text so it can
be version-controlled.
Jonathon
skip@theDevers wrote:
> Jonathon
>
> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy
to
> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>
> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two
accounting
> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have
a
> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It
is
> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
> lingo begins to diverge.
>
> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we
can
> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip,
>
> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>
> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
> but above the framework.
> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
> tally the facts and
> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world"
and
> "real world". Such a
> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
> to talk to future clients!
>
> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to
gravitate
> OFBiz towards the real
> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
> some holes too.
>
> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>
> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>
> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice".
It's
> just a real world
> observation.
>
> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
> clients who say they want
> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way
of
> doing things".
>
> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got
into
> OFBiz and make it more
> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
> system. :)
>
> Jonathon
>
> Skip wrote:
>> Tim
>>
>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>
>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
> am
>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>
>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
> applications,
>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to
your
>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
> type
>> person the meaning of these terms:
>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
> Capture,
>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>> etc. etc.
>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and
they
>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
> be
>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
> few
>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
> office
>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
> the
>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
> jargon.
>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but
critical
>> when needed.
>>
>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using
terms
>> understood by the people using them.
>>
>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots
of
>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
> commercial.
>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
> committed
>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>
>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
> agents,
>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>
>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>> have done.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp
up
>> on the existing processes.
>>
>>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> their
>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>> Source
>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>> acronym
>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
> great
>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
side.
> I
>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
users
>> up to
>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>
>>
>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>> making
>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>> considerable
>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>> businesses.
>>
>>
>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>
>>
>> My two $.
>>
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>> can be used out of the box.
>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
> fit
>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets
is
>> efficient and easy.
>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>> this gap soon.
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>
>
>
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we can
> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
Accounting is where you can help! I've done PartyMgr, halfway through Catalog and Product.
I've been using DocBook. Do you know DocBook? It's easier than HTML, and it's plain text so it can
be version-controlled.
Jonathon
skip@theDevers wrote:
> Jonathon
>
> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy to
> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
>
> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two accounting
> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have a
> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It is
> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
> lingo begins to diverge.
>
> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we can
> split the load and feed the result back to the community.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip,
>
> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
>
> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
> but above the framework.
> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
> tally the facts and
> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world" and
> "real world". Such a
> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
> to talk to future clients!
>
> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to gravitate
> OFBiz towards the real
> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
> some holes too.
>
> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> > UI using terms understood by the people using them.
>
> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
>
> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice". It's
> just a real world
> observation.
>
> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
> clients who say they want
> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way of
> doing things".
>
> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got into
> OFBiz and make it more
> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
> system. :)
>
> Jonathon
>
> Skip wrote:
>> Tim
>>
>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>>
>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
> am
>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>>
>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
> applications,
>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
> type
>> person the meaning of these terms:
>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
> Capture,
>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
>> etc. etc.
>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
> be
>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
> few
>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
> office
>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
> the
>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
> jargon.
>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
>> when needed.
>>
>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
>> understood by the people using them.
>>
>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
> commercial.
>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
> committed
>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>>
>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
> agents,
>> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>>
>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
>> have done.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
>> on the existing processes.
>>
>>
>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
> their
>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
>> --
>> Tim Ruppert
>> HotWax Media
>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>> o:801.649.6594
>> f:801.649.6595
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
>> Source
>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
>> acronym
>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
> great
>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side.
> I
>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
>> up to
>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>>
>>
>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
>> making
>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
>> considerable
>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
>> businesses.
>>
>>
>> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>>
>>
>> My two $.
>>
>>
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
>> can be used out of the box.
>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
> fit
>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
>> efficient and easy.
>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
>> this gap soon.
>>
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
>
>
>
RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
Jonathon
"I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy to
help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time.
I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will
have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A
"jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them.
I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two accounting
applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have a
fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It is
my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the
lingo begins to diverge.
If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we can
split the load and feed the result back to the community.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:jonw@improov.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Skip,
I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz
but above the framework.
After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to
tally the facts and
figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world" and
"real world". Such a
"mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me
to talk to future clients!
As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to gravitate
OFBiz towards the real
world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has
some holes too.
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> UI using terms understood by the people using them.
Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice". It's
just a real world
observation.
Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some
clients who say they want
to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way of
doing things".
Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got into
OFBiz and make it more
viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP
system. :)
Jonathon
Skip wrote:
> Tim
>
> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>
> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I
am
> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>
> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz
applications,
> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager
type
> person the meaning of these terms:
> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is
Capture,
> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
> etc. etc.
> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually
be
> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a
few
> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back
office
> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB,
the
> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly
jargon.
> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
> when needed.
>
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
> understood by the people using them.
>
> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and
commercial.
> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am
committed
> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>
> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing
agents,
> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>
> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
> have done.
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
> on the existing processes.
>
>
> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
their
> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
> Source
> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
> acronym
> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
great
> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side.
I
> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
> up to
> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>
>
> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
> making
> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
> considerable
> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
> businesses.
>
>
> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>
>
> My two $.
>
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
>
>
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
>
> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
> looking for.
>
>
> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
> can be used out of the box.
> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
fit
> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
> efficient and easy.
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> this gap soon.
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
> with
> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
> This
> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
> something
> to show the pointy headed boss).
>
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
>
> --
> Walter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date:
9/25/2007 8:02 AM
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jonathon -- Improov <jo...@improov.com>.
Skip,
I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz.
I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz but above the framework.
After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to tally the facts and
figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world" and "real world". Such a
"mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me to talk to future clients!
As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to gravitate OFBiz towards the real
world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has some holes too.
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people
> to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the
> UI using terms understood by the people using them.
Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI.
I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice". It's just a real world
observation.
Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some clients who say they want
to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way of doing things".
Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got into OFBiz and make it more
viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP system. :)
Jonathon
Skip wrote:
> Tim
>
> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
>
> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I am
> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
>
> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz applications,
> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager type
> person the meaning of these terms:
> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is Capture,
> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
> etc. etc.
> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually be
> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a few
> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back office
> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, the
> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly jargon.
> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
> when needed.
>
> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
> understood by the people using them.
>
> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and commercial.
> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am committed
> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
>
> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing agents,
> the sales folks, and all the rest.
>
> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
> have done.
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
> on the existing processes.
>
>
> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to their
> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
> there.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
> Source
> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
> acronym
> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great
> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I
> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
> up to
> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>
>
> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
> making
> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
> considerable
> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
> businesses.
>
>
> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>
>
> My two $.
>
>
> Skip
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
>
>
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
>
> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
> looking for.
>
>
> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
> can be used out of the box.
> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
> efficient and easy.
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> this gap soon.
>
>
> Jacopo
>
>
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
> with
> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
> This
> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
> something
> to show the pointy headed boss).
>
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
>
> --
> Walter
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM
RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Skip <sk...@thedevers.org>.
Tim
Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
"Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB".
My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software
engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I am
implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow.
It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz applications,
are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your
friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager type
person the meaning of these terms:
Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is Capture,
Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum,
etc. etc.
If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they
have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually be
surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a few
of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back office
applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, the
person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly jargon.
Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical
when needed.
That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use
Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms
understood by the people using them.
By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of
ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and commercial.
Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am committed
to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it.
What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think
about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P
clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing agents,
the sales folks, and all the rest.
Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute
have done.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:tim.ruppert@hotwaxmedia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB,
but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their
business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to
get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up
on the existing processes.
Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to their
mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over
there.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
Jacopo
Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
Source
ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
acronym
for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great
ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I
would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users
up to
speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and
making
it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
considerable
customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
businesses.
It is though perfect for VARs like me.
My two $.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Walter Vaughan wrote:
Len Parker wrote:
I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
"java -jar ofbiz.jar":
What does "java -version" say?
Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
Regarding your boss...
If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
looking for.
OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
can be used out of the box.
Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
efficient and easy.
There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
this gap soon.
Jacopo
If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
with
GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
This
is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
something
to show the pointy headed boss).
Welcome aboard!
--
Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to
OOTB, but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people
running their business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for
newbies to be able to get their foot in the door and pop one up
quickly without a lot of ramp up on the existing processes.
Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to
their mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating
people over there.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:
> Jacopo
>
> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open
> Source
> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an
> acronym
> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a
> great
> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning
> side. I
> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice
> users up to
> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
>
> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes
> and making
> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need
> considerable
> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
> businesses.
>
> It is though perfect for VARs like me.
>
> My two $.
>
> Skip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
>
>
> Walter Vaughan wrote:
>> Len Parker wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>>
>> What does "java -version" say?
>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>>
>> Regarding your boss...
>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
>> looking for.
>
> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
> can be used out of the box.
> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to
> fit
> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
> efficient and easy.
> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
> this gap soon.
>
> Jacopo
>
>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal
>> with
>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE:
>> This
>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for
>> something
>> to show the pointy headed boss).
>>
>> Welcome aboard!
>>
>> --
>> Walter
>
>
>
RE: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Skip <sk...@thedevers.org>.
Jacopo
Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open Source
ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an acronym
for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great
ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I
would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users up to
speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).
As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and making
it earier for real people to use. Both products however need considerable
customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
businesses.
It is though perfect for VARs like me.
My two $.
Skip
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:tiz@sastau.it]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
> looking for.
OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
can be used out of the box.
Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
efficient and easy.
There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
this gap soon.
Jacopo
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with
> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This
> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for something
> to show the pointy headed boss).
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> --
> Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
> looking for.
OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
can be used out of the box.
Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
efficient and easy.
There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
this gap soon.
Jacopo
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with
> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This
> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for something
> to show the pointy headed boss).
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> --
> Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot
init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization
failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)
Posted by Len Parker <lp...@cox.net>.
First, thank you Walter for your reply!
Output of "java -version" is:
java version "1.5.0"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
pxi32devifx-20070806 (SR5a))
IBM J9 VM (build 2.3, J2RE 1.5.0 IBM J9 2.3 Linux x86-32
j9vmxi3223-20070426 (JIT enabled)
J9VM - 20070420_12448_lHdSMR
JIT - 20070419_1806_r8
GC - 200704_19)
JCL - 20070725
As for why I'm not using "./startofbiz.sh", sometime I do, sometimes I
don't. Sometimes I'm just lazy!
I think its the "./" that gets me, I seem to forget it half the time and
then I have to retype. 27 years of tradition unhampered by progress!
However, I get the same results with either method.
I'm not certain where I got the java 1.5 from, I think it was RedHat's
site, but I'll check and post back.
I'm concerned with the "IBM J9 VM" portion of the output of "java
-version". It makes me think that I may need to be more careful where I
get java updates. I realize that RedHat and Sun have their differences,
but I didn't stop to think about this specific update.
As for "Mr. Pointy Head", your 100% on target! Thanks for the heads up.
To tell the truth, I wasn't sure what the differences were between
Opentaps and OFBiz. I'm the original *nix bigot in our company and it
just amazes me how much money we spend on the in-house development of
these app's, most of which run on Windows. Not that I mind Windows,
everyone needs one or two around so that they can appreciate the
difference!
Again, thanks for your time and your reply!
Len
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 08:18 -0400, Walter Vaughan wrote:
> Len Parker wrote:
>
> > I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> > "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
>
> What does "java -version" say?
> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
>
> Regarding your boss...
> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are looking for.
> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing dashboards, built in
> Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with GPL style license software
> you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This is not a sales pitch for opentaps,
> just a heads up that there are options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are
> looking for something to show the pointy headed boss).
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> --
> Walter
Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container
(Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory
not available)
Posted by Walter Vaughan <wv...@steelerubber.com>.
Len Parker wrote:
> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
> "java -jar ofbiz.jar":
What does "java -version" say?
Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?
Regarding your boss...
If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are looking for.
If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing dashboards, built in
Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with GPL style license software
you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This is not a sales pitch for opentaps,
just a heads up that there are options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are
looking for something to show the pointy headed boss).
Welcome aboard!
--
Walter