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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> on 2005/04/05 07:19:47 UTC
[vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
dev@maven.
As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
[ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
[ ] +0
[ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>From me, +1.
Cheers,
Brett
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Kenney Westerhof <fo...@neonics.com>.
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Brett Porter wrote:
+1
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by John Casey <jd...@commonjava.org>.
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Brett Porter wrote:
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
>>>From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Shannon K <kr...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Apr 5, 2005 3:19 PM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
> From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net>.
+1
Emmanuel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Porter" <br...@apache.org>
To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:19 AM
Subject: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
> From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by david varnes <li...@varnes.net>.
+1
davidv
Brett Porter wrote:
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
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Re: communicating m2 was: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@apache.org>.
Eric Pugh wrote:
> +0
>
> I think we need to address somewhere what M2 is. I talk to new people
> all the time, and when they hear Maven2, they get nervous.. They
> start wondering why learn M1 if M2 is coming down the pike.. And, for
> early adopters, they need to know that M2 isn't baked the way M1 is,
> and that things may break or take digging in.
I agree. It's next on my list - I'll be starting tomorrow.
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-222
>
> M2 is more then just a complete rewrite of M1, and that M2 won't
> replace M1 in one fell swoop is something that we need to
> communicate. Rather, the backporting of components out of M2 like
> wagon or scm, are things that M1 users can really benefit from (I know
> I am excited about them!), and having discussion about them on
> dev@maven.apache.org will really help.
That's what I Was intending, yes.
>
> I hope it doesn't devolve to where every subject line starts with [M1]
> or [M2]..
Absolutely not.
Thanks,
Brett
>
> Eric
>
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RE: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@pivolis.com>.
I feel a bit like Eric which is why I've not answered to the vote so far
(I'm still unsure whether it's a good idea or not).
Some points:
- I see the ML merge as a good way to talk about m2 and dispel the urban
legends that have started to accumulate around it.
- I agree that an official statement of information on M2 is necessary at
this stage as m2 is getting visibility quickly. It should contain answers to
FAQs such as:
- what should current users of m1 do? Should they migrate to m2? When
(maybe separate OSS projects from business projects)? How?
- what commitment is there from the Maven development team to continue
supporting Maven 1? For how long?
- a rough date when M2 will be considered equivalent in functionality to
m1 (i.e. roughly same number of plugins which do the same thing -
isofunctionality)
- support for m1 plugins and Jelly in general
- rough planning for m2. First alpha, first beta, planned 1.0 and their
contents
I know this FAQ list makes Maven sound like it's a commercial product...
However I do think Open Source nowadays have to be managed like commercial
products because more and more people rely on it and establish business
decisions on it. I think we owe it to our users to make the strategy and
direction as transparent as possible.
Thus, I do think we need to put these M2 FAQ answers visibility on the Maven
web site. Once this done, I think merging the 2 lists will be a good thing.
I'm happy to help if I can.
What do you think?
-Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Pugh [mailto:epugh@opensourceconnections.com]
> Sent: mardi 5 avril 2005 17:33
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
>
> +0
>
> I think we need to address somewhere what M2 is. I talk to new people
> all the time, and when they hear Maven2, they get nervous.. They
> start wondering why learn M1 if M2 is coming down the pike.. And, for
> early adopters, they need to know that M2 isn't baked the way M1 is,
> and that things may break or take digging in.
>
> M2 is more then just a complete rewrite of M1, and that M2 won't
> replace M1 in one fell swoop is something that we need to communicate.
> Rather, the backporting of components out of M2 like wagon or scm, are
> things that M1 users can really benefit from (I know I am excited about
> them!), and having discussion about them on dev@maven.apache.org will
> really help.
>
> I hope it doesn't devolve to where every subject line starts with [M1]
> or [M2]..
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>.
+0
I think we need to address somewhere what M2 is. I talk to new people
all the time, and when they hear Maven2, they get nervous.. They
start wondering why learn M1 if M2 is coming down the pike.. And, for
early adopters, they need to know that M2 isn't baked the way M1 is,
and that things may break or take digging in.
M2 is more then just a complete rewrite of M1, and that M2 won't
replace M1 in one fell swoop is something that we need to communicate.
Rather, the backporting of components out of M2 like wagon or scm, are
things that M1 users can really benefit from (I know I am excited about
them!), and having discussion about them on dev@maven.apache.org will
really help.
I hope it doesn't devolve to where every subject line starts with [M1]
or [M2]..
Eric
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Trygve Laugstøl <tr...@apache.org>.
+1
--
Trygve
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 15:19 +1000, Brett Porter wrote:
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
> From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
+1
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Porter" <br...@apache.org>
To: "Maven Developers List" <de...@maven.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:19 AM
Subject: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
> From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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Re: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Thomas Recloux <th...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Apr 5, 2005 7:19 AM, Brett Porter <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for all Maven
> 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to reduce the noise on
> dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2 becomes the
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
> anticipate that the user list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
> From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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RE: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Arnaud HERITIER <ah...@gmail.com>.
+1
Arnaud
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Brett Porter [mailto:brett@apache.org]
> Envoyé : mardi 5 avril 2005 07:20
> À : Maven Developers List
> Objet : [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
>
> Some time back, m2-dev@maven.apache.org was established for
> all Maven 2.x related traffic. The purpose of this was to
> reduce the noise on dev@maven.
>
> As components of m2 will be used in Maven 1.x, and as m2
> becomes the primary platform going forward, I think it would
> be beneficial for everyone to be working together, and
> getting the full picture. I also anticipate that the user
> list can field both m1 and m2 questions.
>
> We'll do this counting a majority in 24 hours.
>
> [ ] +1, move all m2-dev mails back to dev@maven [ ] +0 [ ]
> -1, Keep them seperate (give reasons)
>
> From me, +1.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
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RE: [vote] bring m2-dev back to dev@maven.apache.org
Posted by Vincent Siveton <vi...@gmail.com>.
+1
> primary platform going forward, I think it would be beneficial for
> everyone to be working together, and getting the full picture. I also
>From my point of view, it will sound good to send a small email (or an html
document) to describe "how to: getting started with m2" i.e.:
* the new environment variable is M2_HOME
* description of the new pom schema
* some useful links like http://maven.apache.org/m2,
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG and others
* and so on
Thus, everybody could be involved.
What does the maven team think about that?
Cheers,
Vincent
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