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[DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
All,
As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
included in podling websites.
Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a summary
of podling status.
29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a custom
version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially means
that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be included
on the website.
I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the URL to
the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on where to
find them.
John
Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds just right to me.
>
> I just spend a few minutes going through incubator sites. The number of
> sites that had the incubator logo was definitely less in my cursory
> examination than the number that made it clear that they were incubating,
> but the number of sites that didn't make it incubation status clear was
> still very high.
>
> This seems like a thing that could be cured by gentle coercion. Mentors
> would be a first rank for that.
Gentle coercion gets to be much easier when the solutions that you're being
coerced into doesn't make once cringe. Hence my question on investing in
graphics design.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Sounds just right to me.
I just spend a few minutes going through incubator sites. The number of
sites that had the incubator logo was definitely less in my cursory
examination than the number that made it clear that they were incubating,
but the number of sites that didn't make it incubation status clear was
still very high.
This seems like a thing that could be cured by gentle coercion. Mentors
would be a first rank for that.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> > opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> > included in podling websites.
>
> Here's how I would summarize the spirit of the policy:
>
> 1. It should be apparent to a typical consumer that a podling is
> "incubating".
> 2. It should be reasonably easy to figure out what "incubating" means.
>
> It's my hope that any guidelines we adopt can uphold the spirit without
> getting lost in overly specific details.
>
> I do think that including that including the Incubator logo is helpful.
> However, when the logo is buried at the bottom of a long page, it does not
> contribute very much.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> included in podling websites.
Here's how I would summarize the spirit of the policy:
1. It should be apparent to a typical consumer that a podling is "incubating".
2. It should be reasonably easy to figure out what "incubating" means.
It's my hope that any guidelines we adopt can uphold the spirit without
getting lost in overly specific details.
I do think that including that including the Incubator logo is helpful.
However, when the logo is buried at the bottom of a long page, it does not
contribute very much.
Marvin Humphrey
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
Suggestion; If such new Incubator logo is to be incorporated on podling
sites, could it also be standardized to have a "hover popup" containing the
standard text and possibly links to further information (both
Incubator-specific as well as podling-specific)?
Cheers
Niclas
On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:42 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:23 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > All,
> >> >
> >> > As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> >> > opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> >> > included in podling websites.
> >> >
> >> > Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a
> >> summary
> >> > of podling status.
> >> >
> >> > 29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a
> custom
> >> > version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
> >> > branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially
> means
> >> > that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be
> >> included
> >> > on the website.
> >> >
> >> > I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
> >> > project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
> >> > sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
> >> >
> >> > If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the
> URL to
> >> > the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
> >> > effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on
> where
> >> to
> >> > find them.
> >>
> >> In general, this is a good idea, but before we all just +1 the heck
> >> out of it, lets
> >> make sure that the intent doesn't penalize the podlings by creating an
> ugly
> >> visual layout for their websites.
> >>
> >
> > Agreed, the discussion will be worthless if its just a series of +1's.
> We
> > can vote when something's been figured out as working. I suspect that
> will
> > be a rewrite of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#logos
>
> Correct.
>
> >> In my view, the best way to think about overall visual layout is along
> the
> >> lines
> >> suggested by Niall in a very much related discussion on Geode:
> >> http://markmail.org/message/e4p5owz5swmcyb7d
> >>
> >> To quote:
> >> ==============================================================
> >> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
> >> incorporate the
> >> Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with the aim of
> >> replacing it with
> >> one of the Apache feather logos when it graduates to a TLP.
> >> ==============================================================
> >>
> >> I think this is a brilliant way to solve it, but it will require us to
> >> do a bit of graphic design
> >> to dovetail the Incubator artwork into the ASF style. The current logo
> >> clearly doesn't
> >> cut it, but something along the lines of:
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator.png
> >> actually might.
> >>
> >
> > Well, i'm not sure that we're the ones to do the graphic design. We may
> > want to say that one of the incubator logos needs to be incorporated into
> > your design. You may want to consider that this logo will be replaced by
> > the ASF feather logo once you graduate to a TLP.
> >
> > I also recall pinging Sally a long while ago about a new incubator logo
> > based on the new feather design.
>
> At this point, I honestly think that we may want to go back and make
> it a priority.
>
> Given the number of podlings in the incubator it is clear to me that
> the incubator
> visual identity should be treated on-par with ASF's visual identity.
> Yes, we're that
> important. We didn't scribble the new ASF's visual identity on a
> napkin -- we actually
> hired professionals. I think we have a pretty strong case for the IPMC
> of the same.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:42 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:23 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > All,
>> >
>> > As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
>> > opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
>> > included in podling websites.
>> >
>> > Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a
>> summary
>> > of podling status.
>> >
>> > 29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a custom
>> > version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
>> > branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially means
>> > that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be
>> included
>> > on the website.
>> >
>> > I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
>> > project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
>> > sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
>> >
>> > If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the URL to
>> > the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
>> > effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on where
>> to
>> > find them.
>>
>> In general, this is a good idea, but before we all just +1 the heck
>> out of it, lets
>> make sure that the intent doesn't penalize the podlings by creating an ugly
>> visual layout for their websites.
>>
>
> Agreed, the discussion will be worthless if its just a series of +1's. We
> can vote when something's been figured out as working. I suspect that will
> be a rewrite of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#logos
Correct.
>> In my view, the best way to think about overall visual layout is along the
>> lines
>> suggested by Niall in a very much related discussion on Geode:
>> http://markmail.org/message/e4p5owz5swmcyb7d
>>
>> To quote:
>> ==============================================================
>> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
>> incorporate the
>> Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with the aim of
>> replacing it with
>> one of the Apache feather logos when it graduates to a TLP.
>> ==============================================================
>>
>> I think this is a brilliant way to solve it, but it will require us to
>> do a bit of graphic design
>> to dovetail the Incubator artwork into the ASF style. The current logo
>> clearly doesn't
>> cut it, but something along the lines of:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator.png
>> actually might.
>>
>
> Well, i'm not sure that we're the ones to do the graphic design. We may
> want to say that one of the incubator logos needs to be incorporated into
> your design. You may want to consider that this logo will be replaced by
> the ASF feather logo once you graduate to a TLP.
>
> I also recall pinging Sally a long while ago about a new incubator logo
> based on the new feather design.
At this point, I honestly think that we may want to go back and make
it a priority.
Given the number of podlings in the incubator it is clear to me that
the incubator
visual identity should be treated on-par with ASF's visual identity.
Yes, we're that
important. We didn't scribble the new ASF's visual identity on a
napkin -- we actually
hired professionals. I think we have a pretty strong case for the IPMC
of the same.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 10:23 PM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> > opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> > included in podling websites.
> >
> > Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a
> summary
> > of podling status.
> >
> > 29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a custom
> > version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
> > branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially means
> > that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be
> included
> > on the website.
> >
> > I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
> > project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
> > sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
> >
> > If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the URL to
> > the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
> > effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on where
> to
> > find them.
>
> In general, this is a good idea, but before we all just +1 the heck
> out of it, lets
> make sure that the intent doesn't penalize the podlings by creating an ugly
> visual layout for their websites.
>
Agreed, the discussion will be worthless if its just a series of +1's. We
can vote when something's been figured out as working. I suspect that will
be a rewrite of http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#logos
>
> In my view, the best way to think about overall visual layout is along the
> lines
> suggested by Niall in a very much related discussion on Geode:
> http://markmail.org/message/e4p5owz5swmcyb7d
>
> To quote:
> ==============================================================
> Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should
> incorporate the
> Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with the aim of
> replacing it with
> one of the Apache feather logos when it graduates to a TLP.
> ==============================================================
>
> I think this is a brilliant way to solve it, but it will require us to
> do a bit of graphic design
> to dovetail the Incubator artwork into the ASF style. The current logo
> clearly doesn't
> cut it, but something along the lines of:
> http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator.png
> actually might.
>
Well, i'm not sure that we're the ones to do the graphic design. We may
want to say that one of the incubator logos needs to be incorporated into
your design. You may want to consider that this logo will be replaced by
the ASF feather logo once you graduate to a TLP.
I also recall pinging Sally a long while ago about a new incubator logo
based on the new feather design.
John
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:06 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> included in podling websites.
>
> Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a summary
> of podling status.
>
> 29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a custom
> version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
> branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially means
> that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be included
> on the website.
>
> I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
> project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
> sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
>
> If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the URL to
> the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
> effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on where to
> find them.
In general, this is a good idea, but before we all just +1 the heck
out of it, lets
make sure that the intent doesn't penalize the podlings by creating an ugly
visual layout for their websites.
In my view, the best way to think about overall visual layout is along the lines
suggested by Niall in a very much related discussion on Geode:
http://markmail.org/message/e4p5owz5swmcyb7d
To quote:
==============================================================
Going back to the incubator branding issue, I think Geode should incorporate the
Incubator logo in its banner at the top of the page, with the aim of
replacing it with
one of the Apache feather logos when it graduates to a TLP.
==============================================================
I think this is a brilliant way to solve it, but it will require us to
do a bit of graphic design
to dovetail the Incubator artwork into the ASF style. The current logo
clearly doesn't
cut it, but something along the lines of:
http://incubator.apache.org/images/apache-incubator.png
actually might.
Thanks,
Roman.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> included in podling websites.
+1 It gives a clear indication that the project is under incubation at the ASF.
Bonus points for it linking to somewhere like http://incubator.apache.org.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Sergio Fernández <wi...@apache.org>.
+1
The big thing here is to make easier for new podlings to follow the
guidelines. What about creating a checklist and/or adding this branding
details to the tasks in status template?
The logo is a bit more trickier, but the disclaimer should be something
easy to monitor...
On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> +1
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 07/02/2016 04:06 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
>> opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
>> included in podling websites.
>>
>> Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a summary
>> of podling status.
>>
>> 29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a custom
>> version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
>> branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially means
>> that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be
>> included
>> on the website.
>>
>> I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
>> project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
>> sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
>>
>> If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the URL to
>> the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
>> effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on where
>> to
>> find them.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
> --
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> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator Logo & Branding
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
+1
Regards
JB
On 07/02/2016 04:06 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> All,
>
> As a follow up to the current discussions happening, I wanted to get
> opinions from the IPMC on whether or not the Incubator logo should be
> included in podling websites.
>
> Take https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BrandingAuditJune2016 as a summary
> of podling status.
>
> 29 podlings presently show the Incubator Logo. 1 podling uses a custom
> version of the logo. This means we're just above 50% matching. The
> branding guide indicates that this is a should, which essentially means
> that unless there's some strong reason to not include, it is to be included
> on the website.
>
> I believe the usage of the Incubator logo comes from including parent
> project logos on sub-project websites, where podlings are essentially
> sub-projects, but I can't find anything confirming this.
>
> If we are to require the logo to be present, we must spell out the URL to
> the logo to use. This may be a variety of logos, include transparency
> effects, with and without borders, but we should guide projects on where to
> find them.
>
> John
>
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jbonofre@apache.org
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