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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net> on 2012/02/03 12:39:35 UTC
will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity
Hi,
I'm new to the list and wondering if you have ever discuss how to manage
the fact that Flex is opensource but the Flashplayer isn't ( for my
knowledge )
All the others apache project are full opensource and with full control, so
how this is going to work?
What's happen if we think that we need to add a new feature to the
flashplayer like the multithreading support for example, or something that
needs to be fixed or uptated to the buggy flashplayer?
I know that Adobe at the beginning has a team dedicated to this transition,
but what about the future?
Do we have always to relate to Adobe for any Flashplayer request?
Thanks for any clarification.
Filippo
Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity
Posted by Peter Elst <pe...@gmail.com>.
> Flash player is closed source and will always be so yes, Flex will always
> depend on FP till some solution is found to output to another format
> besides SWF.
To clarify this further, in practical terms we'll stay dependent on the
Flash Player which will likely not be open sourced for a variety of
reasons. There it the Tamarin project which is the ActionScript VM donated
to the Mozilla Foundation, the SWF specs are available and there is no
legal obstacle to anyone writing a SWF renderer.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tamarin
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf.html
There is thought about looking at different export targets.
- Peter
Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity
Posted by filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net>.
Many thanks.
Do you know if anyone started to think about a new runtime for actionscript
or flex not dependant to Adobe or FP and opensource?
2012/2/3 João Fernandes <jo...@gmail.com>
> On 3 February 2012 11:39, filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the list and wondering if you have ever discuss how to manage
> > the fact that Flex is opensource but the Flashplayer isn't ( for my
> > knowledge )
> > All the others apache project are full opensource and with full control,
> so
> > how this is going to work?
> > What's happen if we think that we need to add a new feature to the
> > flashplayer like the multithreading support for example, or something
> that
> > needs to be fixed or uptated to the buggy flashplayer?
> > I know that Adobe at the beginning has a team dedicated to this
> transition,
> > but what about the future?
> > Do we have always to relate to Adobe for any Flashplayer request?
> > Thanks for any clarification.
> > Filippo
> >
>
> Flash player is closed source and will always be so yes, Flex will always
> depend on FP till some solution is found to output to another format
> besides SWF.
>
> Regarding multi-threading is known that in a near future (mid 2012) it will
> be part of Flash Player. Regarding bugs, there is a JIRA project at
> http://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>
>
> --
>
> João Fernandes
>
Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity
Posted by João Fernandes <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 3 February 2012 11:39, filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to the list and wondering if you have ever discuss how to manage
> the fact that Flex is opensource but the Flashplayer isn't ( for my
> knowledge )
> All the others apache project are full opensource and with full control, so
> how this is going to work?
> What's happen if we think that we need to add a new feature to the
> flashplayer like the multithreading support for example, or something that
> needs to be fixed or uptated to the buggy flashplayer?
> I know that Adobe at the beginning has a team dedicated to this transition,
> but what about the future?
> Do we have always to relate to Adobe for any Flashplayer request?
> Thanks for any clarification.
> Filippo
>
Flash player is closed source and will always be so yes, Flex will always
depend on FP till some solution is found to output to another format
besides SWF.
Regarding multi-threading is known that in a near future (mid 2012) it will
be part of Flash Player. Regarding bugs, there is a JIRA project at
http://bugs.adobe.com/flashplayer/
--
João Fernandes
Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity
Posted by filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net>.
I agree with you, but the JVM is fully open source.
I didn't know the existance of the tamarin project, I will have a look to
them.
Thanks a lot.
2012/2/3 Jarosław Szczepankiewicz <js...@gmail.com>
> the same is about all java ecosystem and .net ecosystem. I can not see
> the difference. There is no serious alternative to Oracle Java and his
> alternative OpenJDK (I know there is IBM but who uses is apart from
> taking it as bonus to other software from IBM). So what's the noise
> about that. I am sure that there will be (in my opinion in about 2
> years) production ready translation from flex to HTML (5?), maybe
> using the external libraries like extJS maybe some brand new
> components. The challenges will be in debugging such thing but that's
> another story. Personally I thing that one company controlling the
> player is good thing. This is multimilion investment and no free (no
> income) teams can build / maintain alternative to such big apis /
> technologies.
>
> 2012/2/3 filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net>:
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the list and wondering if you have ever discuss how to manage
> > the fact that Flex is opensource but the Flashplayer isn't ( for my
> > knowledge )
> > All the others apache project are full opensource and with full control,
> so
> > how this is going to work?
> > What's happen if we think that we need to add a new feature to the
> > flashplayer like the multithreading support for example, or something
> that
> > needs to be fixed or uptated to the buggy flashplayer?
> > I know that Adobe at the beginning has a team dedicated to this
> transition,
> > but what about the future?
> > Do we have always to relate to Adobe for any Flashplayer request?
> > Thanks for any clarification.
> > Filippo
>
Re: will ever adobe give the flashplayer to the opensource comunity
Posted by Jarosław Szczepankiewicz <js...@gmail.com>.
the same is about all java ecosystem and .net ecosystem. I can not see
the difference. There is no serious alternative to Oracle Java and his
alternative OpenJDK (I know there is IBM but who uses is apart from
taking it as bonus to other software from IBM). So what's the noise
about that. I am sure that there will be (in my opinion in about 2
years) production ready translation from flex to HTML (5?), maybe
using the external libraries like extJS maybe some brand new
components. The challenges will be in debugging such thing but that's
another story. Personally I thing that one company controlling the
player is good thing. This is multimilion investment and no free (no
income) teams can build / maintain alternative to such big apis /
technologies.
2012/2/3 filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net>:
> Hi,
> I'm new to the list and wondering if you have ever discuss how to manage
> the fact that Flex is opensource but the Flashplayer isn't ( for my
> knowledge )
> All the others apache project are full opensource and with full control, so
> how this is going to work?
> What's happen if we think that we need to add a new feature to the
> flashplayer like the multithreading support for example, or something that
> needs to be fixed or uptated to the buggy flashplayer?
> I know that Adobe at the beginning has a team dedicated to this transition,
> but what about the future?
> Do we have always to relate to Adobe for any Flashplayer request?
> Thanks for any clarification.
> Filippo