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Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Agitar Software (http://www.agitar.com/) has donated several licenses
for its Agitator product to Apache Struts for our committers to use
on open source projects. The Agitator includes "experts" that help it
work better with frameworks like Struts Action. Right now, the
Agitator "Struts Expert" supports Action 1.2. Experts for other
releases of Apache Struts frameworks are expected. I'm working with
Agitar to make the Expert API available to us, so that we can create
and maintain our own experts.
A whitepaper that describes using the Agitator to test the MailReader
is available here:
* http://www.StrutsUniversity.org/Agitator
And I'll be giving the whitepaper as a "webinar" on Wednesday.
* http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?entry=what_to_do_if_your
Apache Struts committers can find the list of product keys in the ASF
repository.
* https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/pmc/struts/agitator-keys.txt
Access to this file is resticted to Struts committers.
-Ted.
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Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by Dakota Jack <da...@gmail.com>.
Do you ever discuss the issues Mitchell? Struts is in large part a quagmire
due to an attempt to give the branding to JSF for Craig via Shale. No one
not in the long term know or even in the long term know can now see what the
future is. No code
On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Yep, I agree. You wouldn't believe the commission percentage that
> Craig gets whenever he sells a free copy of Java Studio Creator. I'm
> impressed that you noticed that too....wow.
>
> --
> James Mitchell
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
>
> > There is a big difference between having an open source project
> > that is used
> > for business and using your position on the list to promote your
> > business
> > ideas on the list. How about we begin selling our sites on this
> > list? If
> > you cannot see the difference in this, then you just are not being
> > honest or
> > you are not to bright. I think Ted sees exactly the point.
> > Reducing this
> > to the TV idiocy is just as bad as the usual claim that Struts is just
> > another Apache list, which it is not.
> >
> > On 4/25/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> Ok, let's review shall we.
> >>>
> >>>>> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> What part of that says anything about personal gain?
> >>
> >> I seem to remember the term "personal gain" from the TV series
> >> "Charmed', but I for one am not a witch :)
> >>
> >> The Apache License is designed to be business friendly. We expect and
> >> encourage commercial uses of our products. As a result, it's not
> >> uncommon for vendors of retail products to want to give back to open
> >> source projects.
> >>
> >> Another good example is JetBrains, which provides complementantry
> >> IDEA
> >> licenses to many open source projects, including the ASF.
> >>
> >> Of course, these licenses usually come with the stipulation that the
> >> license is only to be used when working on open source projects. The
> >> licenses are not for our personal use, but to help us with the
> >> volunteer work we do for the foundation.
> >>
> >> -Ted.
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> > back."
> > ~Dakota Jack~
>
>
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>
--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~
Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
Yep, I agree. You wouldn't believe the commission percentage that
Craig gets whenever he sells a free copy of Java Studio Creator. I'm
impressed that you noticed that too....wow.
--
James Mitchell
On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
> There is a big difference between having an open source project
> that is used
> for business and using your position on the list to promote your
> business
> ideas on the list. How about we begin selling our sites on this
> list? If
> you cannot see the difference in this, then you just are not being
> honest or
> you are not to bright. I think Ted sees exactly the point.
> Reducing this
> to the TV idiocy is just as bad as the usual claim that Struts is just
> another Apache list, which it is not.
>
> On 4/25/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Ok, let's review shall we.
>>>
>>>>> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
>>>>>
>>>
>>> What part of that says anything about personal gain?
>>
>> I seem to remember the term "personal gain" from the TV series
>> "Charmed', but I for one am not a witch :)
>>
>> The Apache License is designed to be business friendly. We expect and
>> encourage commercial uses of our products. As a result, it's not
>> uncommon for vendors of retail products to want to give back to open
>> source projects.
>>
>> Another good example is JetBrains, which provides complementantry
>> IDEA
>> licenses to many open source projects, including the ASF.
>>
>> Of course, these licenses usually come with the stipulation that the
>> license is only to be used when working on open source projects. The
>> licenses are not for our personal use, but to help us with the
>> volunteer work we do for the foundation.
>>
>> -Ted.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> back."
> ~Dakota Jack~
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Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by Dakota Jack <da...@gmail.com>.
There is a big difference between having an open source project that is used
for business and using your position on the list to promote your business
ideas on the list. How about we begin selling our sites on this list? If
you cannot see the difference in this, then you just are not being honest or
you are not to bright. I think Ted sees exactly the point. Reducing this
to the TV idiocy is just as bad as the usual claim that Struts is just
another Apache list, which it is not.
On 4/25/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Ok, let's review shall we.
> >
> > >> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
> > >>
> >
> > What part of that says anything about personal gain?
>
> I seem to remember the term "personal gain" from the TV series
> "Charmed', but I for one am not a witch :)
>
> The Apache License is designed to be business friendly. We expect and
> encourage commercial uses of our products. As a result, it's not
> uncommon for vendors of retail products to want to give back to open
> source projects.
>
> Another good example is JetBrains, which provides complementantry IDEA
> licenses to many open source projects, including the ASF.
>
> Of course, these licenses usually come with the stipulation that the
> license is only to be used when working on open source projects. The
> licenses are not for our personal use, but to help us with the
> volunteer work we do for the foundation.
>
> -Ted.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>
>
--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~
Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ok, let's review shall we.
>
> >> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
> >>
>
> What part of that says anything about personal gain?
I seem to remember the term "personal gain" from the TV series
"Charmed', but I for one am not a witch :)
The Apache License is designed to be business friendly. We expect and
encourage commercial uses of our products. As a result, it's not
uncommon for vendors of retail products to want to give back to open
source projects.
Another good example is JetBrains, which provides complementantry IDEA
licenses to many open source projects, including the ASF.
Of course, these licenses usually come with the stipulation that the
license is only to be used when working on open source projects. The
licenses are not for our personal use, but to help us with the
volunteer work we do for the foundation.
-Ted.
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Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by Dakota Jack <da...@gmail.com>.
This is crap. Read the record. Do you guys even care if you make sense?
On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> You're welcome to advertise any product you like. Please prefix it
> with [Announce] or [Ann], but that's not required. Do you have a
> product you'd like to sell?
>
> --
> James Mitchell
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
>
> > We can advertise our wares here? I did not know that. I thought
> > this list
> > was about Struts and not about Ted's business. But, excuse me. I
> > should
> > have known that Craig was not the exception in using the list that
> > way.
> >
> > On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, let's review shall we.
> >>
> >>>> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
> >>>>
> >>
> >> What part of that says anything about personal gain?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> James Mitchell
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
> >>
> >>> Isn't this using the committer status for personal gain?
> >>>
> >>> On 4/23/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Agitar Software (http://www.agitar.com/) has donated several
> >>>> licenses
> >>>> for its Agitator product to Apache Struts for our committers to
> >>>> use
> >>>> on open source projects. The Agitator includes "experts" that
> >>>> help it
> >>>> work better with frameworks like Struts Action. Right now, the
> >>>> Agitator "Struts Expert" supports Action 1.2. Experts for other
> >>>> releases of Apache Struts frameworks are expected. I'm working with
> >>>> Agitar to make the Expert API available to us, so that we can
> >>>> create
> >>>> and maintain our own experts.
> >>>>
> >>>> A whitepaper that describes using the Agitator to test the
> >>>> MailReader
> >>>> is available here:
> >>>>
> >>>> * http://www.StrutsUniversity.org/Agitator
> >>>>
> >>>> And I'll be giving the whitepaper as a "webinar" on Wednesday.
> >>>>
> >>>> * http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?
> >>>> entry=what_to_do_if_your
> >>>>
> >>>> Apache Struts committers can find the list of product keys in
> >>>> the ASF
> >>>> repository.
> >>>>
> >>>> *
> >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/pmc/struts/
> >>>> agitator-keys.txt
> >>>>
> >>>> Access to this file is resticted to Struts committers.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Ted.
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> --
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> >>> back."
> >>> ~Dakota Jack~
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> > back."
> > ~Dakota Jack~
>
>
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>
>
--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~
Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
You're welcome to advertise any product you like. Please prefix it
with [Announce] or [Ann], but that's not required. Do you have a
product you'd like to sell?
--
James Mitchell
On Apr 25, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
> We can advertise our wares here? I did not know that. I thought
> this list
> was about Struts and not about Ted's business. But, excuse me. I
> should
> have known that Craig was not the exception in using the list that
> way.
>
> On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, let's review shall we.
>>
>>>> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
>>>>
>>
>> What part of that says anything about personal gain?
>>
>>
>> --
>> James Mitchell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't this using the committer status for personal gain?
>>>
>>> On 4/23/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agitar Software (http://www.agitar.com/) has donated several
>>>> licenses
>>>> for its Agitator product to Apache Struts for our committers to
>>>> use
>>>> on open source projects. The Agitator includes "experts" that
>>>> help it
>>>> work better with frameworks like Struts Action. Right now, the
>>>> Agitator "Struts Expert" supports Action 1.2. Experts for other
>>>> releases of Apache Struts frameworks are expected. I'm working with
>>>> Agitar to make the Expert API available to us, so that we can
>>>> create
>>>> and maintain our own experts.
>>>>
>>>> A whitepaper that describes using the Agitator to test the
>>>> MailReader
>>>> is available here:
>>>>
>>>> * http://www.StrutsUniversity.org/Agitator
>>>>
>>>> And I'll be giving the whitepaper as a "webinar" on Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> * http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?
>>>> entry=what_to_do_if_your
>>>>
>>>> Apache Struts committers can find the list of product keys in
>>>> the ASF
>>>> repository.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/pmc/struts/
>>>> agitator-keys.txt
>>>>
>>>> Access to this file is resticted to Struts committers.
>>>>
>>>> -Ted.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
>>> back."
>>> ~Dakota Jack~
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> back."
> ~Dakota Jack~
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Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by Dakota Jack <da...@gmail.com>.
We can advertise our wares here? I did not know that. I thought this list
was about Struts and not about Ted's business. But, excuse me. I should
have known that Craig was not the exception in using the list that way.
On 4/25/06, James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Ok, let's review shall we.
>
> >> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
> >>
>
> What part of that says anything about personal gain?
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
>
> > Isn't this using the committer status for personal gain?
> >
> > On 4/23/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Agitar Software (http://www.agitar.com/) has donated several
> >> licenses
> >> for its Agitator product to Apache Struts for our committers to use
> >> on open source projects. The Agitator includes "experts" that help it
> >> work better with frameworks like Struts Action. Right now, the
> >> Agitator "Struts Expert" supports Action 1.2. Experts for other
> >> releases of Apache Struts frameworks are expected. I'm working with
> >> Agitar to make the Expert API available to us, so that we can create
> >> and maintain our own experts.
> >>
> >> A whitepaper that describes using the Agitator to test the MailReader
> >> is available here:
> >>
> >> * http://www.StrutsUniversity.org/Agitator
> >>
> >> And I'll be giving the whitepaper as a "webinar" on Wednesday.
> >>
> >> * http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?
> >> entry=what_to_do_if_your
> >>
> >> Apache Struts committers can find the list of product keys in the ASF
> >> repository.
> >>
> >> *
> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/pmc/struts/
> >> agitator-keys.txt
> >>
> >> Access to this file is resticted to Struts committers.
> >>
> >> -Ted.
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> > back."
> > ~Dakota Jack~
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~
Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
Ok, let's review shall we.
>> ... for our committers to use on open source projects...
>>
What part of that says anything about personal gain?
--
James Mitchell
On Apr 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Dakota Jack wrote:
> Isn't this using the committer status for personal gain?
>
> On 4/23/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agitar Software (http://www.agitar.com/) has donated several
>> licenses
>> for its Agitator product to Apache Struts for our committers to use
>> on open source projects. The Agitator includes "experts" that help it
>> work better with frameworks like Struts Action. Right now, the
>> Agitator "Struts Expert" supports Action 1.2. Experts for other
>> releases of Apache Struts frameworks are expected. I'm working with
>> Agitar to make the Expert API available to us, so that we can create
>> and maintain our own experts.
>>
>> A whitepaper that describes using the Agitator to test the MailReader
>> is available here:
>>
>> * http://www.StrutsUniversity.org/Agitator
>>
>> And I'll be giving the whitepaper as a "webinar" on Wednesday.
>>
>> * http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?
>> entry=what_to_do_if_your
>>
>> Apache Struts committers can find the list of product keys in the ASF
>> repository.
>>
>> *
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/pmc/struts/
>> agitator-keys.txt
>>
>> Access to this file is resticted to Struts committers.
>>
>> -Ted.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> back."
> ~Dakota Jack~
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Re: Agitator Licenses for Struts Committers
Posted by Dakota Jack <da...@gmail.com>.
Isn't this using the committer status for personal gain?
On 4/23/06, Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Agitar Software (http://www.agitar.com/) has donated several licenses
> for its Agitator product to Apache Struts for our committers to use
> on open source projects. The Agitator includes "experts" that help it
> work better with frameworks like Struts Action. Right now, the
> Agitator "Struts Expert" supports Action 1.2. Experts for other
> releases of Apache Struts frameworks are expected. I'm working with
> Agitar to make the Expert API available to us, so that we can create
> and maintain our own experts.
>
> A whitepaper that describes using the Agitator to test the MailReader
> is available here:
>
> * http://www.StrutsUniversity.org/Agitator
>
> And I'll be giving the whitepaper as a "webinar" on Wednesday.
>
> * http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?entry=what_to_do_if_your
>
> Apache Struts committers can find the list of product keys in the ASF
> repository.
>
> *
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/pmc/struts/agitator-keys.txt
>
> Access to this file is resticted to Struts committers.
>
> -Ted.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>
>
--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~