[Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>]

Hello everyone,

What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social media presence
more active and more community driven?

The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice support, but
we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to share more interesting
Beam news. For example, we could tweet to welcome new committers, announce
new features consistently, share and recognize contributions, promote
events and meetups, share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data,
etc.

I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation, moderation
and creation of content; so I was wondering if we could create a
spreadsheet where community members could propose posts with publishing
dates, and let somebody to filter, moderate, and manage it; then send to a
PMC member for publication.

I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some experience
doing social media elsewhere in the past.

Best

Aizhamal

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Matthias Baetens <ba...@gmail.com>]

Awesome Aizhamal :) Lmk if I can be of any help!

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 11:14 Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Thank you Matthias,
>
> I was supposed to write up the documentation.. sorry this got slipped
> through the cracks. I will prepare the PR until the end of the week.
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM Matthias Baetens <ba...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Thomas.
>>
>> Happy to help on the doc side when I find some time :) I'll give you a
>> ping when I have the PR ready!
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 20:07 Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Matthias,
>>>
>>> The process is already in use, but it would be nice to have it
>>> documented also.
>>>
>>> I gave you edit access to the spreadsheet, since working with the
>>> comments is cumbersome and sheets does not have suggestions.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:59 PM Matthias Baetens <
>>> baetensmatthias@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Picking up this thread, since I wanted to use this facility and help
>>>> drive this if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> I saw the sheet has now comment access enabled. Did we decide /
>>>> document the desired process on the website? I am happy to testdrive that
>>>> process and submit a PR if successful.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 01:49, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, everyone should have comment access for this to make sense. Sorry
>>>>> for the confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:30 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system
>>>>>> for this so everyone can participate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view
>>>>>> access to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
>>>>>> everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
>>>>>> comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
>>>>>> tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and
>>>>>>> Ahmet edit access.
>>>>>>> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I
>>>>>>> will update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found
>>>>>>>> here: s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how
>>>>>>>> similar gdoc resources are handled?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help
>>>>>>>> with this can request edit access.
>>>>>>>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>>>>>>>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work
>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if
>>>>>>>>>> notifications work now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>>>>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>>>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>>>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes (i.e. proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested in this thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work for some reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> robertwb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer. A week?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that works as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ticket that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets as comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and JIRAs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is something to review?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public), writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And of course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out and see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyzy <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a Beam community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (approving, communication channel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promote events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community members could propose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a PMC member for publication.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>]

Thank you Matthias,

I was supposed to write up the documentation.. sorry this got slipped
through the cracks. I will prepare the PR until the end of the week.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 12:51 AM Matthias Baetens <ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Thomas.
>
> Happy to help on the doc side when I find some time :) I'll give you a
> ping when I have the PR ready!
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 20:07 Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Matthias,
>>
>> The process is already in use, but it would be nice to have it documented
>> also.
>>
>> I gave you edit access to the spreadsheet, since working with the
>> comments is cumbersome and sheets does not have suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:59 PM Matthias Baetens <
>> baetensmatthias@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Picking up this thread, since I wanted to use this facility and help
>>> drive this if necessary.
>>>
>>> I saw the sheet has now comment access enabled. Did we decide / document
>>> the desired process on the website? I am happy to testdrive that process
>>> and submit a PR if successful.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 01:49, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, everyone should have comment access for this to make sense. Sorry
>>>> for the confusion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:30 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system
>>>>> for this so everyone can participate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view
>>>>> access to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
>>>>> everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
>>>>> comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
>>>>> tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet
>>>>>> edit access.
>>>>>> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I
>>>>>> will update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found
>>>>>>> here: s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how
>>>>>>> similar gdoc resources are handled?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with
>>>>>>> this can request edit access.
>>>>>>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>>>>>>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work
>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if
>>>>>>>>> notifications work now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>>>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes
>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in
>>>>>>>>>>>> this thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for
>>>>>>>>>>>> some reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example,
>>>>>>>>>>>> could the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>>>>>>>> robertwb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A week?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that works as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ticket that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets as comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and JIRAs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is something to review?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> public), writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And of course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kyzy <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>> send out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Beam community
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promote events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community members could propose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PMC member for publication.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Matthias Baetens <ba...@gmail.com>]

Thanks Thomas.

Happy to help on the doc side when I find some time :) I'll give you a ping
when I have the PR ready!

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 20:07 Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> Matthias,
>
> The process is already in use, but it would be nice to have it documented
> also.
>
> I gave you edit access to the spreadsheet, since working with the comments
> is cumbersome and sheets does not have suggestions.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:59 PM Matthias Baetens <
> baetensmatthias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Picking up this thread, since I wanted to use this facility and help
>> drive this if necessary.
>>
>> I saw the sheet has now comment access enabled. Did we decide / document
>> the desired process on the website? I am happy to testdrive that process
>> and submit a PR if successful.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Matthias
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 01:49, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, everyone should have comment access for this to make sense. Sorry
>>> for the confusion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:30 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system
>>>> for this so everyone can participate.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view
>>>> access to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
>>>> everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
>>>> comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
>>>> tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet
>>>>> edit access.
>>>>> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I
>>>>> will update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found
>>>>>> here: s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aizhamal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how
>>>>>> similar gdoc resources are handled?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with
>>>>>> this can request edit access.
>>>>>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>>>>>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications
>>>>>>>> work now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and
>>>>>>>>>>> the sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes
>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in
>>>>>>>>>>> this thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for
>>>>>>>>>>> some reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example,
>>>>>>>>>>> could the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>>>>>>> robertwb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that
>>>>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A week?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see
>>>>>>>>>>>> how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that works as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus
>>>>>>>>>>>> using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and
>>>>>>>>>>>> when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA
>>>>>>>>>>>> ticket that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets as comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That
>>>>>>>>>>>> would require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs
>>>>>>>>>>>> and JIRAs).
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better,
>>>>>>>>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there
>>>>>>>>>>>> is something to review?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are
>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the
>>>>>>>>>>>> public), writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts,
>>>>>>>>>>>> with enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> of course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>>>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out
>>>>>>>>>>>> and see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always
>>>>>>>>>>>> change the processes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>>>>>>>> kyzy <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> send out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> really has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> so are the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>>> comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on
>>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always
>>>>>>>>>>>> gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to
>>>>>>>>>>>> a Beam community
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been
>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like
>>>>>>>>>>>> it made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> promote events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not
>>>>>>>>>>>> have time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where
>>>>>>>>>>>> community members could propose
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a
>>>>>>>>>>>> PMC member for publication.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>>>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

Matthias,

The process is already in use, but it would be nice to have it documented
also.

I gave you edit access to the spreadsheet, since working with the comments
is cumbersome and sheets does not have suggestions.

Thanks


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:59 PM Matthias Baetens <ba...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Picking up this thread, since I wanted to use this facility and help drive
> this if necessary.
>
> I saw the sheet has now comment access enabled. Did we decide / document
> the desired process on the website? I am happy to testdrive that process
> and submit a PR if successful.
>
> Many thanks,
> Matthias
>
> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 01:49, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, everyone should have comment access for this to make sense. Sorry
>> for the confusion.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:30 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system for
>>> this so everyone can participate.
>>>
>>> Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view
>>> access to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
>>> everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
>>> comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
>>> tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet
>>>> edit access.
>>>> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I
>>>> will update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
>>>> website.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found
>>>>> here: s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>
>>>>> Aizhamal,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how similar
>>>>> gdoc resources are handled?
>>>>>
>>>>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with
>>>>> this can request edit access.
>>>>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>>>>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for
>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications
>>>>>>> work now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and
>>>>>>>>>> the sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes
>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in
>>>>>>>>>> this thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for
>>>>>>>>>> some reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could
>>>>>>>>>> the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>>>>>> robertwb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in
>>>>>>>>>>> the spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that
>>>>>>>>>>> be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A
>>>>>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC
>>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see
>>>>>>>>>>> how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so
>>>>>>>>>>> that works as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus
>>>>>>>>>>> using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and
>>>>>>>>>>> when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket
>>>>>>>>>>> that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>>>>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>>>>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better,
>>>>>>>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <
>>>>>>>>>>> thw@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there
>>>>>>>>>>> is something to review?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are
>>>>>>>>>>> happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the
>>>>>>>>>>> public), writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts,
>>>>>>>>>>> with enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And
>>>>>>>>>>> of course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out
>>>>>>>>>>> and see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always
>>>>>>>>>>> change the processes.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>> <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>> send out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>> really has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but
>>>>>>>>>>> so are the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to
>>>>>>>>>>> people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>> comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on
>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to
>>>>>>>>>>> be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@
>>>>>>>>>>> mailing list but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always
>>>>>>>>>>> gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a
>>>>>>>>>>> Beam community
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been
>>>>>>>>>>> proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like
>>>>>>>>>>> it made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>> Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize
>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions,
>>>>>>>>>>> promote events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>> Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not
>>>>>>>>>>> have time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I
>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where
>>>>>>>>>>> community members could propose
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a
>>>>>>>>>>> PMC member for publication.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere
>>>>>>>>>>> in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Matthias Baetens <ba...@gmail.com>]

Hi all,

Picking up this thread, since I wanted to use this facility and help drive
this if necessary.

I saw the sheet has now comment access enabled. Did we decide / document
the desired process on the website? I am happy to testdrive that process
and submit a PR if successful.

Many thanks,
Matthias

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 01:49, Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> Yes, everyone should have comment access for this to make sense. Sorry for
> the confusion.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:30 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system for
>> this so everyone can participate.
>>
>> Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view access
>> to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
>> everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
>> comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
>> tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet
>>> edit access.
>>> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I will
>>> update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
>>> website.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Aizhamal
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>>>
>>>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found here:
>>>> s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>
>>>> Aizhamal,
>>>>
>>>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how similar
>>>> gdoc resources are handled?
>>>>
>>>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with
>>>> this can request edit access.
>>>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>>>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for
>>>>> you?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications
>>>>>> work now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and
>>>>>>>>> the sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes
>>>>>>>>> (i.e. proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in
>>>>>>>>> this thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for
>>>>>>>>> some reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could
>>>>>>>>> the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>>>>> robertwb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in
>>>>>>>>>> the spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A
>>>>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC
>>>>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see
>>>>>>>>>> how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so
>>>>>>>>>> that works as well.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus
>>>>>>>>>> using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and
>>>>>>>>>> when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket
>>>>>>>>>> that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>>>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to
>>>>>>>>>> be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>>>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please
>>>>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there
>>>>>>>>>> is something to review?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are
>>>>>>>>>> happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the
>>>>>>>>>> public), writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts,
>>>>>>>>>> with enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And
>>>>>>>>>> of course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out
>>>>>>>>>> and see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always
>>>>>>>>>> change the processes.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> send out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC
>>>>>>>>>> really has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but
>>>>>>>>>> so are the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to
>>>>>>>>>> people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>> comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social
>>>>>>>>>> media.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to
>>>>>>>>>> be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@
>>>>>>>>>> mailing list but I don't
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always
>>>>>>>>>> gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a
>>>>>>>>>> Beam community
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been
>>>>>>>>>> proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it
>>>>>>>>>> made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>> Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>>>>>>>> events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to
>>>>>>>>>> Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have
>>>>>>>>>> time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I
>>>>>>>>>> was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>>>>>>>> members could propose
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a
>>>>>>>>>> PMC member for publication.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in
>>>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

Yes, everyone should have comment access for this to make sense. Sorry for
the confusion.


On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:30 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system for
> this so everyone can participate.
>
> Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view access
> to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
> everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
> comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
> tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.
>
> Kenn
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet
>> edit access.
>> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I will
>> update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
>> website.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Aizhamal
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>>
>>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found here:
>>> s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>
>>> Aizhamal,
>>>
>>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how similar
>>> gdoc resources are handled?
>>>
>>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with
>>> this can request edit access.
>>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for
>>>> you?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications
>>>>> work now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>>>>>>>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>>>>>>>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>>>>>>>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>>>>>>>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could
>>>>>>>> the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <
>>>>>>>> robertwb@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A
>>>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see
>>>>>>>>> how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so
>>>>>>>>> that works as well.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus
>>>>>>>>> using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and
>>>>>>>>> when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket
>>>>>>>>> that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to
>>>>>>>>> be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please
>>>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>>>>>>>> something to review?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are
>>>>>>>>> happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>>>>>>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>>>>>>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>>>>>>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and
>>>>>>>>> see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change
>>>>>>>>> the processes.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll
>>>>>>>>> set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send
>>>>>>>>> out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really
>>>>>>>>> has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are
>>>>>>>>> the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to
>>>>>>>>> people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of
>>>>>>>>> comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social
>>>>>>>>> media.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to
>>>>>>>>> be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing
>>>>>>>>> list but I don't
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always
>>>>>>>>> gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a
>>>>>>>>> Beam community
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been
>>>>>>>>> proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it
>>>>>>>>> made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>>>>> kyzy
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam
>>>>>>>>> offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter
>>>>>>>>> & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>>>>>>> events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam,
>>>>>>>>> big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have
>>>>>>>>> time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I
>>>>>>>>> was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>>>>>>> members could propose
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>>>>>>>> member for publication.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in
>>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>]

Thanks for setting this up. It is nice to start building up a system for
this so everyone can participate.

Regarding Jira versus notifications, how are people with only view access
to make suggestions for tweets? When I suggested gdocs, I meant for
everyone to have "comment" access, so then anyone can subscribe to all
comments, which would include suggestions. This allows anyone to suggest
tweets and anyone to subscribe to suggestions.

Kenn

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 4:07 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet edit
> access.
> @all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I will
> update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
> website.
>
> Thank you,
> Aizhamal
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I was able to subscribe now.
>>
>> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found here:
>> s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>
>> Aizhamal,
>>
>> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how similar
>> gdoc resources are handled?
>>
>> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with this
>> can request edit access.
>> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
>> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for you?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications
>>>> work now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>>>>>>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>>>>>>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>>>>>>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>>>>>>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could
>>>>>>> the proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a
>>>>>>> specific component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that.
>>>>>>> And then we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options
>>>>>>> as written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>>>>>>> spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A
>>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how
>>>>>>>> it goes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that
>>>>>>>> works as well.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using
>>>>>>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when,
>>>>>>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket
>>>>>>>> that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>>>>>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please
>>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>>>>>>> something to review?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are
>>>>>>>> happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>>>>>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>>>>>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>>>>>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and
>>>>>>>> see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change
>>>>>>>> the processes.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll
>>>>>>>> set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send
>>>>>>>> out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really
>>>>>>>> has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are
>>>>>>>> the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people
>>>>>>>> who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but
>>>>>>>> under their own name.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social
>>>>>>>> media.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be
>>>>>>>> more prominent on
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing
>>>>>>>> list but I don't
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always
>>>>>>>> gets to approve the
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a
>>>>>>>> Beam community
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete
>>>>>>>> pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste
>>>>>>>> operations)?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed
>>>>>>>> some time ago (in
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it
>>>>>>>> made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>>>> kyzy
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more
>>>>>>>> community driven?
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam
>>>>>>>> offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter
>>>>>>>> & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new
>>>>>>>> features consistently,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>>>>>> events and meetups,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam,
>>>>>>>> big data, etc.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have
>>>>>>>> time to do curation,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>>>>>>>> wondering if we
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>>>>>> members could propose
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let
>>>>>>>> somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>>>>>>> member for publication.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in
>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>]

Thanks Thomas, changed the doc to view only and granted you and Ahmet edit
access.
@all - please send requests for access with your google accounts. I will
update the thread once I document the process and submit the PR to the
website.

Thank you,
Aizhamal

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:12 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> I was able to subscribe now.
>
> Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found here:
> s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>
> Aizhamal,
>
> Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how similar
> gdoc resources are handled?
>
> * Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with this
> can request edit access.
> * Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
> https://beam.apache.org/contribute/
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for you?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications work
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>>
>>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if
>>>> notifications work after that.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the
>>>>> notifications not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was
>>>>> due to not having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>>>>>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>>>>>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>>>>>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>>>>>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
>>>>>> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
>>>>>> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
>>>>>> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
>>>>>> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>>>>>> spreadsheet.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A
>>>>>>> week?
>>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum
>>>>>>> number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how
>>>>>>> it goes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that
>>>>>>> works as well.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using
>>>>>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when,
>>>>>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket
>>>>>>> that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>>>>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please
>>>>>>> let me know.
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>>>>>> something to review?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are
>>>>>>> happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>>>>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>>>>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>>>>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest
>>>>>>> tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as
>>>>>>> examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to
>>>>>>> review in the next few days.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and
>>>>>>> see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change
>>>>>>> the processes.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll
>>>>>>> set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send
>>>>>>> out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really
>>>>>>> has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are
>>>>>>> the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people
>>>>>>> who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but
>>>>>>> under their own name.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social
>>>>>>> media.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be
>>>>>>> more prominent on
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing
>>>>>>> list but I don't
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets
>>>>>>> to approve the
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a
>>>>>>> Beam community
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
>>>>>>> function even for
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed
>>>>>>> some time ago (in
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it
>>>>>>> made it terribly far:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>>> kyzy
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making
>>>>>>> Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
>>>>>>> driven?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam
>>>>>>> offer pretty nice
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
>>>>>>> LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For
>>>>>>> example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>>>> consistently,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>>>>> events and meetups,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam,
>>>>>>> big data, etc.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have
>>>>>>> time to do curation,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>>>>>>> wondering if we
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>>>>> members could propose
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody
>>>>>>> to filter,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>>>>>> member for publication.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in
>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

I was able to subscribe now.

Reminder for others that the spreadsheet of interest can be found here:
s.apache.org/beam-tweets

Aizhamal,

Can you help with a couple changes to bring this closer to how similar gdoc
resources are handled?

* Make the document view only. *PMC members* that care to help with this
can request edit access.
* Document the process for other contributors. Maybe here?
https://beam.apache.org/contribute/

Thanks!



On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:

> I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for you?
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications work
>> now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>>
>>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if notifications
>>> work after that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the notifications
>>>> not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was due to not
>>>> having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>>>>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>>>>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>>>>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>>>>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
>>>>> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
>>>>> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
>>>>> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
>>>>> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmet
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>>>>> spreadsheet.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
>>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number
>>>>>> of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how
>>>>>> it goes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that
>>>>>> works as well.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using
>>>>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when,
>>>>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that
>>>>>> will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>>>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets,
>>>>>> anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let
>>>>>> me know.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>>>>> something to review?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy
>>>>>> to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>>>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>>>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>>>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets
>>>>>> [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples.
>>>>>> Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in
>>>>>> the next few days.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and
>>>>>> see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change
>>>>>> the processes.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll
>>>>>> set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send
>>>>>> out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really
>>>>>> has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are
>>>>>> the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people
>>>>>> who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but
>>>>>> under their own name.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social
>>>>>> media.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be
>>>>>> more prominent on
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing
>>>>>> list but I don't
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets
>>>>>> to approve the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
>>>>>> function even for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed
>>>>>> some time ago (in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it
>>>>>> made it terribly far:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat
>>>>>> kyzy
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache
>>>>>> Beam’s social
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
>>>>>> driven?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam
>>>>>> offer pretty nice
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
>>>>>> LinkedIn better to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example,
>>>>>> we could tweet to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>>> consistently,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>>>> events and meetups,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam,
>>>>>> big data, etc.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have
>>>>>> time to do curation,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>>>>>> wondering if we
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>>>> members could propose
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody
>>>>>> to filter,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>>>>> member for publication.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the
>>>>>> past.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>]

I am able to subscribe to notifications now. Thomas does it work for you?

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications work
> now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>>
>> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if notifications
>> work after that.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the notifications
>>> not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was due to not
>>> having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>>>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>>>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>>>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>>>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>>
>>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
>>>> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
>>>> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
>>>> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
>>>> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>>
>>>> Ahmet
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>>>> spreadsheet.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>>
>>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
>>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number
>>>>> of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>>
>>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>>
>>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it
>>>>> goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that
>>>>> works as well.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using
>>>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when,
>>>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Kenn
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that
>>>>> will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>>> JIRAs).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone
>>>>> can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let
>>>>> me know.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>>>> something to review?
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy
>>>>> to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets
>>>>> [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples.
>>>>> Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in
>>>>> the next few days.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community
>>>>> members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see
>>>>> if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>>>> processes.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set
>>>>> up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has
>>>>> to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people
>>>>> who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but
>>>>> under their own name.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social
>>>>> media.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be
>>>>> more prominent on
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing
>>>>> list but I don't
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets
>>>>> to approve the
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>>>>> community
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>>> communication channel,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
>>>>> function even for
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed
>>>>> some time ago (in
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made
>>>>> it terribly far:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache
>>>>> Beam’s social
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
>>>>> driven?
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam
>>>>> offer pretty nice
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
>>>>> LinkedIn better to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example,
>>>>> we could tweet to
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>> consistently,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>>> events and meetups,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big
>>>>> data, etc.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time
>>>>> to do curation,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>>>>> wondering if we
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>>> members could propose
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody
>>>>> to filter,
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>>>> member for publication.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this
>>>>> regard. I’ve had some
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the
>>>>> past.
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>]

Hi all,

I set the access to 'anyone can edit'. Let me know if notifications work
now.

Thanks,

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 2:00 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:

> You are probably right and it is an access issue.
>
> Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if notifications
> work after that.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the notifications
>> not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was due to not
>> having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>>
>>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
>>> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
>>> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
>>> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
>>> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>>
>>> Ahmet
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>>> functionality that we need:
>>>> https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>>> >
>>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>>> spreadsheet.
>>>> >
>>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>>
>>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
>>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>>
>>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number
>>>> of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>>
>>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>>
>>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it
>>>> goes.
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that
>>>> works as well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using
>>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when,
>>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Kenn
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that
>>>> will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thomas
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>>> JIRAs).
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone
>>>> can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let
>>>> me know.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> +1
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>>> something to review?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy
>>>> to start with the following arrangement:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets
>>>> [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples.
>>>> Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in
>>>> the next few days.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members
>>>> to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see
>>>> if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>>> processes.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set
>>>> up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has
>>>> to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who
>>>> are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under
>>>> their own name.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be
>>>> more prominent on
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list
>>>> but I don't
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to
>>>> approve the
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>>>> community
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>>> communication channel,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
>>>> function even for
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed
>>>> some time ago (in
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made
>>>> it terribly far:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache
>>>> Beam’s social
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
>>>> driven?
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam
>>>> offer pretty nice
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
>>>> LinkedIn better to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example,
>>>> we could tweet to
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>> consistently,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote
>>>> events and meetups,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big
>>>> data, etc.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time
>>>> to do curation,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>>>> wondering if we
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>>> members could propose
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to
>>>> filter,
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>>> member for publication.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard.
>>>> I’ve had some
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the
>>>> past.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>]

You are probably right and it is an access issue.

Aizhamal, could you give us edit access? And we can see if notifications
work after that.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:41 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the notifications
> not work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was due to not
> having sufficient access to the spreadsheet?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
>> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
>> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
>> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
>> reason for a few of us including myself.
>>
>> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
>> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
>> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
>> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
>> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>>
>> Ahmet
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>>> functionality that we need: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>>> >
>>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>>> spreadsheet.
>>> >
>>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>>
>>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
>>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>>
>>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number of
>>> +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>>
>>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>>
>>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it
>>> goes.
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that
>>> works as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using
>>> Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when,
>>> it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kenn
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that
>>> will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thomas
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>> JIRAs).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone
>>> can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me
>>> know.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> +1
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>>> something to review?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to
>>> start with the following arrangement:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with
>>> enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of
>>> course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets
>>> [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples.
>>> Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in
>>> the next few days.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members
>>> to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see
>>> if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>> processes.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set
>>> up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has
>>> to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who
>>> are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under
>>> their own name.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>>> prominent on
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list
>>> but I don't
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to
>>> approve the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>>> community
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>>> communication channel,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
>>> function even for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some
>>> time ago (in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made
>>> it terribly far:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>> robert@frantil.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache
>>> Beam’s social
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
>>> driven?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer
>>> pretty nice
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
>>> LinkedIn better to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we
>>> could tweet to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>> consistently,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events
>>> and meetups,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big
>>> data, etc.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time
>>> to do curation,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>>> wondering if we
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community
>>> members could propose
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to
>>> filter,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC
>>> member for publication.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard.
>>> I’ve had some
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the
>>> past.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

The use of JIRA was also suggested before, but why do the notifications not
work? I wasn't able to subscribe and I suspect that was due to not having
sufficient access to the spreadsheet?



On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:26 PM Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com> wrote:

> As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
> sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
> proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
> thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
> reason for a few of us including myself.
>
> Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
> proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
> component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
> we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
> written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).
>
> Ahmet
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
>> functionality that we need: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>> >
>> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
>> spreadsheet.
>> >
>> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>>
>> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
>> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
>> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
>> before it goes out on an official channel.
>>
>> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number of
>> +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>>
>> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>>
>> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it
>> goes.
>>
>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that works
>> as well.
>> >>
>> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using Jira.
>> But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when, it
>> could be helpful to have the added structure.
>> >>
>> >> Kenn
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that
>> will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as
>> comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thomas
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>> JIRAs).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone
>> can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC
>> members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me
>> know.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Aizhamal
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> +1
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
>> something to review?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to
>> start with the following arrangement:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
>> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough
>> time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course
>> nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Kenn
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets
>> [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples.
>> Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in
>> the next few days.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members
>> to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if
>> it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>> processes.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up
>> a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
>> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>> stakes for code and website changes.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who
>> are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under
>> their own name.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>> prominent on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list
>> but I don't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to
>> approve the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>> community
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
>> communication channel,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
>> function even for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some
>> time ago (in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
>> terribly far:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>> robert@frantil.com
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache
>> Beam’s social
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
>> driven?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer
>> pretty nice
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
>> LinkedIn better to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we
>> could tweet to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>> consistently,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events
>> and meetups,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big
>> data, etc.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to
>> do curation,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
>> wondering if we
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members
>> could propose
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to
>> filter,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member
>> for publication.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard.
>> I’ve had some
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the
>> past.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>
>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Ahmet Altay <al...@google.com>]

As far as I understand we have not resolved this discussion and the
sticking issue is that there is no good way of subscribing to changes (i.e.
proposals for tweets) for interested parties. The method suggested in this
thread (e.g. Tools and then Notification rules.) does not work for some
reason for a few of us including myself.

Could we try to use any of our existing tools? For example, could the
proposals be done in the form of filing a new JIRA issue under a specific
component. All of us should be able to get notifications for that. And then
we can follow the lazy consensus and alternative approval options as
written down by Robert (1 week or 3 PMC +1s).

Ahmet

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:47 AM Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the
> functionality that we need: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
> >
> > Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
> spreadsheet.
> >
> > Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?
>
> 72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
> I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
> that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
> before it goes out on an official channel.
>
> > Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number of
> +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?
>
> +1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.
>
> For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it
> goes.
>
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that works
> as well.
> >>
> >> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using Jira.
> But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when, it
> could be helpful to have the added structure.
> >>
> >> Kenn
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that will
> always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as comments.
> Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
> >>>
> >>> Thomas
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
> JIRAs).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can
> propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to
> review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
> >>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me
> know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Aizhamal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is
> something to review?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to
> start with the following arrangement:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public),
> writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
> >>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough
> time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course
> nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kenn
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello folks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1].
> It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also,
> there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next
> few days.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if
> it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
> processes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>> aizhamal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
> >>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kenn
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up
> a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
> >>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <
> kenn@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
> stakes for code and website changes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who
> are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under
> their own name.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
> prominent on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list
> but I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to
> approve the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving,
> communication channel,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like
> function even for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some
> time ago (in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
> terribly far:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
> robert@frantil.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache
> Beam’s social
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community
> driven?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer
> pretty nice
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter &
> LinkedIn better to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we
> could tweet to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
> consistently,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events
> and meetups,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big
> data, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to
> do curation,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was
> wondering if we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members
> could propose
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to
> filter,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member
> for publication.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard.
> I’ve had some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>> >
>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Robert Bradshaw <ro...@google.com>]

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:02 PM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the functionality that we need: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588
>
> Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the spreadsheet.
>
> Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?

72 hours is a pretty typical minimum, but I'd go a bit longer. A week?
I'd want at least two pairs of eyes though, so if it's a PMC member
that proposes the message someone else on the PMC should approve
before it goes out on an official channel.

> Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number of +1s) for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?

+1. I'd say three is probably sufficient, five at most.

For both of these, let's just do something conservative and see how it goes.

> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that works as well.
>>
>> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using Jira. But I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when, it could be helpful to have the added structure.
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that will always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as comments. Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and JIRAs).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something to review?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the processes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their own name.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent on
>>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the
>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication channel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even for
>>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago (in
>>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and meetups,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could propose
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for publication.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

From what I understand, spreadsheets (not docs) provide the functionality
that we need: https://support.google.com/docs/answer/91588

Interested PMC members can subscribe and react to changes in the
spreadsheet.

Lazy consensus requires a minimum wait. How much should that be?

Should there be an alternative approval option (like minimum number of +1s)
for immediate post (in case it is time sensitive)?


On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 7:28 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:

> GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that works as
> well.
>
> This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using Jira. But
> I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when, it could be
> helpful to have the added structure.
>
> Kenn
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that will
>> always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as comments.
>> Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be
>>> visibility to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would
>>> require a form of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and
>>> JIRAs).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can
>>>> propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to
>>>> review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something
>>>>> to review?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to
>>>>>> start with the following arrangement:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable
>>>>>> by some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough
>>>>>> time elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course
>>>>>> nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
>>>>>>> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
>>>>>>> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
>>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
>>>>>>> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it
>>>>>>> drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>>>>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>>>>>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>>>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are
>>>>>>>>>> not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under
>>>>>>>>>> their own name.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <
>>>>>>>>>> mxm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>>>>>>>>>>> prominent on
>>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to
>>>>>>>>>>> approve the
>>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>>>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function
>>>>>>>>>>> even for
>>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time
>>>>>>>>>>> ago (in
>>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
>>>>>>>>>>> terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s
>>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we
>>>>>>>>>>> could tweet to
>>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>>>>>>>> consistently,
>>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>>>>>>>> meetups,
>>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>>>>>>>> curation,
>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering
>>>>>>>>>>> if we
>>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members
>>>>>>>>>>> could propose
>>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to
>>>>>>>>>>> filter,
>>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve
>>>>>>>>>>> had some
>>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>]

GDocs also have the ability to subscribe to all comments so that works as
well.

This does add another system to our infrastructure, versus using Jira. But
I think a spreadsheet for tracking what has been sent and when, it could be
helpful to have the added structure.

Kenn

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that will
> always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as comments.
> Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.
>
> Thomas
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be visibility
>> to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would require a form
>> of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and JIRAs).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can
>>> propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to
>>> review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aizhamal
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something
>>>> to review?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start
>>>>> with the following arrangement:
>>>>>
>>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by
>>>>> some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time
>>>>> elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>>
>>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course
>>>>> nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
>>>>>> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
>>>>>> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
>>>>>> days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
>>>>>> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it
>>>>>> drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>>>>> processes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>>>>>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>>>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>>>>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are
>>>>>>>>> not committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under
>>>>>>>>> their own name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>>>>>>>>>> prominent on
>>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to
>>>>>>>>>> approve the
>>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam
>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function
>>>>>>>>>> even for
>>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time
>>>>>>>>>> ago (in
>>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
>>>>>>>>>> terribly far:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <
>>>>>>>>>> robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s
>>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer
>>>>>>>>>> pretty nice
>>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could
>>>>>>>>>> tweet to
>>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>>>>>>> consistently,
>>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>>>>>>> meetups,
>>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data,
>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>>>>>>> curation,
>>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering
>>>>>>>>>> if we
>>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members
>>>>>>>>>> could propose
>>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve
>>>>>>>>>> had some
>>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

Here is an idea how this could be done: Create a JIRA ticket that will
always remain open. Have folks append their suggested tweets as comments.
Interested PMC members can watch that ticket.

Thomas

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be visibility
> to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would require a form
> of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and JIRAs).
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
> aizhamal@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can
>> propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to
>> review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
>> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aizhamal
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something to
>>> review?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start
>>>> with the following arrangement:
>>>>
>>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by
>>>> some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time
>>>> elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>>
>>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course
>>>> nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
>>>>> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
>>>>> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
>>>>> days.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
>>>>> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it
>>>>> drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>>>> processes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> aizhamal
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>>>>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>>>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>>>>>>>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>>>>>>>> own name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>>>>>>>>> prominent on
>>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function
>>>>>>>>> even for
>>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time
>>>>>>>>> ago (in
>>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
>>>>>>>>> terribly far:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s
>>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty
>>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could
>>>>>>>>> tweet to
>>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>>>>>> consistently,
>>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>>>>>> meetups,
>>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>>>>>> curation,
>>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering
>>>>>>>>> if we
>>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve
>>>>>>>>> had some
>>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

Pinging individual PMC members doesn't work. There needs to be visibility
to proposed actions to anyone that is interested. That would require a form
of subscribe/notification mechanism (as exists for PRs and JIRAs).


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:33 AM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>
wrote:

> With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can
> propose tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to
> review tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
> If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Aizhamal
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something to
>> review?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start
>>> with the following arrangement:
>>>
>>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by
>>> some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time
>>> elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>>
>>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course
>>> nothing is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello folks,
>>>>
>>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
>>>> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
>>>> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
>>>> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>>
>>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it
>>>> drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>>> processes.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> aizhamal
>>>>
>>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>>>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>>>>>>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>>>>>>> own name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>>>>>>>> prominent on
>>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function
>>>>>>>> even for
>>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time
>>>>>>>> ago (in
>>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
>>>>>>>> terribly far:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s
>>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty
>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could
>>>>>>>> tweet to
>>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features
>>>>>>>> consistently,
>>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>>>>> meetups,
>>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>>>>> curation,
>>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@apache.org>]

With the spreadsheet in http://s.apache.org/beam-tweets, anyone can propose
tweets. I will check it every few days, and ping/tag PMC members to review
tweets and publish. Does that sound fine?
If you have ideas on how to make the process better, please let me know.

Thanks,
Aizhamal

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 4:10 AM Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org> wrote:

> +1
>
> What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something to
> review?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start
>> with the following arrangement:
>>
>>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by
>> some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time
>> elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>>
>> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course nothing
>> is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello folks,
>>>
>>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
>>> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
>>> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
>>> days.
>>>
>>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
>>> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>>
>>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it
>>> drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>>> processes.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> aizhamal
>>>
>>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>>>>>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>>>>>> own name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more
>>>>>>> prominent on
>>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function
>>>>>>> even for
>>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago
>>>>>>> (in
>>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it
>>>>>>> terribly far:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s
>>>>>>> social
>>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty
>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could
>>>>>>> tweet to
>>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>>>> meetups,
>>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>>>> curation,
>>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Thomas Weise <th...@apache.org>]

+1

What would be the mechanism to notify the PMC that there is something to
review?


On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 9:55 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:

> Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start
> with the following arrangement:
>
>  - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by
> some group of contributors to set up a queue of news
>  - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time
> elapsing to consider it lazy consensus
>
> Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course nothing
> is permanent, but we try and iterate.
>
> Kenn
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
>> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
>> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
>> days.
>>
>> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
>> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>>
>> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it
>> drives engagement in the community. If not we can always change the
>> processes.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> aizhamal
>>
>> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
>> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>>> Aizhamal
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>>>>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>>>>> own name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> social media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>>> channel,
>>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago
>>>>>> (in
>>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly
>>>>>> far:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     +1
>>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty
>>>>>> nice
>>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>>> better to
>>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could
>>>>>> tweet to
>>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>>> meetups,
>>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>>> curation,
>>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>>>>> propose
>>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>>> publication.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         Best
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>]

Bringing the PMC's conclusion back to this list, we are happy to start with
the following arrangement:

 - Doc/spreadsheet/etc readable by dev@ (aka the public), writable by some
group of contributors to set up a queue of news
 - Any member of PMC approves and executes the posts, with enough time
elapsing to consider it lazy consensus

Any mistake transcribing this conclusion is my own. And of course nothing
is permanent, but we try and iterate.

Kenn

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 2:18 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
> contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
> are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
> days.
>
> I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
> participate by proposing tweets / retweets.
>
> Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it drives
> engagement in the community. If not we can always change the processes.
>
> Thanks,
> aizhamal
>
> [1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
> [2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for taking on this work!
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
>> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>>
>>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>>> Aizhamal
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great idea.
>>>>
>>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>>
>>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>>>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>>>> own name.
>>>>
>>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>>
>>>> Kenn
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent
>>>>> on
>>>>> social media.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't
>>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the
>>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>>> channel,
>>>>> > etc)?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even
>>>>> for
>>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago
>>>>> (in
>>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly
>>>>> far:
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     +1
>>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
>>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn
>>>>> better to
>>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could
>>>>> tweet to
>>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and
>>>>> meetups,
>>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>>> curation,
>>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>>>> propose
>>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>>> publication.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had
>>>>> some
>>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         Best
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>]

Hello folks,

I have created a spreadsheet where people can suggest tweets [1]. It
contains a couple of tweets that have been tweeted as examples. Also, there
are a couple others that I will ask PMC members to review in the next few
days.

I have also created a blog post[2] to invite community members to
participate by proposing tweets / retweets.

Does this look OK to everyone? I’d love to try it out and see if it drives
engagement in the community. If not we can always change the processes.

Thanks,
aizhamal

[1] s.apache.org/beam-tweets
[2] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/8747

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 4:26 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:

> Thanks for taking on this work!
>
> Kenn
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <
> aizhamal@google.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
>> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
>> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>>
>> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
>> Aizhamal
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea.
>>>
>>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>>
>>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>>> own name.
>>>
>>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>>
>>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent
>>>> on
>>>> social media.
>>>>
>>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't
>>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the
>>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>>
>>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>>> member to post in their name.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication
>>>> channel,
>>>> > etc)?
>>>> >
>>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even
>>>> for
>>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>>> >
>>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago
>>>> (in
>>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly
>>>> far:
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >     +1
>>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>>> >
>>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
>>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better
>>>> to
>>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet
>>>> to
>>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and meetups,
>>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do
>>>> curation,
>>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>>> propose
>>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>>> publication.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some
>>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >         Best
>>>> >
>>>> >         Aizhamal
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>]

Thanks for taking on this work!

Kenn

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:52 PM Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
> spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
> tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.
>
> Thanks all and have a great weekend!
> Aizhamal
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Great idea.
>>
>> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to
>> micro-manage here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the
>> stakes for code and website changes.
>>
>> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
>> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
>> own name.
>>
>> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>>
>>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent on
>>> social media.
>>>
>>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't
>>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the
>>> proposed social media postings.
>>>
>>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>>> member to post in their name.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication channel,
>>> > etc)?
>>> >
>>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even
>>> for
>>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>>> >
>>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago (in
>>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly
>>> far:
>>> >
>>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     +1
>>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>>> >
>>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >         Hello everyone,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
>>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better
>>> to
>>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet
>>> to
>>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and meetups,
>>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation,
>>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could
>>> propose
>>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>>> publication.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some
>>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >         Best
>>> >
>>> >         Aizhamal
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>]

Hi everyone,

I'd like to pilot this if that's okay by everyone. I'll set up a
spreadsheet, write a blog post publicizing it, and perhaps send out a
tweet. We can improve the process later with tools if necessary.

Thanks all and have a great weekend!
Aizhamal

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 8:37 PM Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org> wrote:

> Great idea.
>
> Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to micro-manage
> here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the stakes for code
> and website changes.
>
> I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
> committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
> own name.
>
> Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.
>
> Kenn
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aizhamal,
>>
>> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent on
>> social media.
>>
>> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't
>> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the
>> proposed social media postings.
>>
>> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
>> member to post in their name.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Max
>>
>> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
>> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication channel,
>> > etc)?
>> >
>> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even for
>> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
>> >
>> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago (in
>> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly
>> far:
>> >
>> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
>> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
>> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     +1
>> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>> >
>> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >         Hello everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
>> >
>> >
>> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
>> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet to
>> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and meetups,
>> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation,
>> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could propose
>> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
>> publication.
>> >
>> >
>> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some
>> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>> >
>> >
>> >         Best
>> >
>> >         Aizhamal
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Kenneth Knowles <ke...@apache.org>]

Great idea.

Austin - point well taken about whether the PMC really has to micro-manage
here. The stakes are potentially very high, but so are the stakes for code
and website changes.

I know that comdev votes authoring privileges to people who are not
committers, but they are not speaking on behalf of comdev but under their
own name.

Let's definitely find a way to be effective on social media.

Kenn

On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:14 AM Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Aizhamal,
>
> This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent on
> social media.
>
> We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't
> see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the
> proposed social media postings.
>
> I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community
> member to post in their name.
>
> Thanks,
> Max
>
> On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
> > Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication channel,
> > etc)?
> >
> > There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even for
> > things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
> >
> > I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago (in
> > another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly far:
> >
> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
> > (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com
> > <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     +1
> >     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
> >
> >     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
> >     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
> >
> >         Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> >         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
> >         media presence more active and more community driven?
> >
> >
> >         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
> >         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to
> >         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet to
> >         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
> >         share and recognize contributions, promote events and meetups,
> >         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
> >
> >
> >         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation,
> >         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
> >         could create a spreadsheet where community members could propose
> >         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
> >         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for
> publication.
> >
> >
> >         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some
> >         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
> >
> >
> >         Best
> >
> >         Aizhamal
> >
> >
>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Maximilian Michels <mx...@apache.org>]

Hi Aizhamal,

This is a great idea. I think it would help Beam to be more prominent on 
social media.

We need to discuss this also on the private@ mailing list but I don't 
see anything standing in the way if the PMC always gets to approve the 
proposed social media postings.

I could even imagine that the PMC gives rights to a Beam community 
member to post in their name.

Thanks,
Max

On 21.05.19 03:09, Austin Bennett wrote:
> Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication channel, 
> etc)?
> 
> There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even for 
> things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?
> 
> I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago (in 
> another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly far: 
> http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting 
> (I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <robert@frantil.com 
> <ma...@frantil.com>> wrote:
> 
>     +1
>     As a twitter user, I like this idea.
> 
>     On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
>     <aizhamal@google.com <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Hello everyone,
> 
> 
>         What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social
>         media presence more active and more community driven?
> 
> 
>         The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice
>         support, but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to
>         share more interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet to
>         welcome new committers, announce new features consistently,
>         share and recognize contributions, promote events and meetups,
>         share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
> 
> 
>         I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation,
>         moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we
>         could create a spreadsheet where community members could propose
>         posts with publishing dates, and let somebody to filter,
>         moderate, and manage it; then send to a PMC member for publication.
> 
> 
>         I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some
>         experience doing social media elsewhere in the past.
> 
> 
>         Best
> 
>         Aizhamal
> 
> 

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Austin Bennett <wh...@gmail.com>]

Is PMC definitely in charge of this (approving, communication channel,
etc)?

There could even be a more concrete pull-request-like function even for
things like tweets (to minimize cut/paste operations)?

I remember a bit of a mechanism having been proposed some time ago (in
another circumstance), though doesn't look like it made it terribly far:
http://www.redhenlab.org/home/the-cognitive-core-research-topics-in-red-hen/the-barnyard/-slick-tweeting
(I haven't otherwise seen such functionality).



On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM Robert Burke <ro...@frantil.com> wrote:

> +1
> As a twitter user, I like this idea.
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social media
>> presence more active and more community driven?
>>
>> The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice support,
>> but we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to share more
>> interesting Beam news. For example, we could tweet to welcome new
>> committers, announce new features consistently, share and recognize
>> contributions, promote events and meetups, share other news that are
>> relevant to Beam, big data, etc.
>>
>> I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation,
>> moderation and creation of content; so I was wondering if we could create a
>> spreadsheet where community members could propose posts with publishing
>> dates, and let somebody to filter, moderate, and manage it; then send to a
>> PMC member for publication.
>>
>> I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some experience
>> doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Aizhamal
>>
>>

Re: [Discuss] Ideas for Apache Beam presence in social media

[Robert Burke <ro...@frantil.com>]

+1
As a twitter user, I like this idea.

On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:18, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy <ai...@google.com>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> What does the community think of making Apache Beam’s social media
> presence more active and more community driven?
>
> The Slack and StackOverflow for Apache Beam offer pretty nice support, but
> we still could utilize Twitter & LinkedIn better to share more interesting
> Beam news. For example, we could tweet to welcome new committers, announce
> new features consistently, share and recognize contributions, promote
> events and meetups, share other news that are relevant to Beam, big data,
> etc.
>
> I understand that PMC members may not have time to do curation, moderation
> and creation of content; so I was wondering if we could create a
> spreadsheet where community members could propose posts with publishing
> dates, and let somebody to filter, moderate, and manage it; then send to a
> PMC member for publication.
>
> I would love to help where I can in this regard. I’ve had some experience
> doing social media elsewhere in the past.
>
> Best
>
> Aizhamal
>
>