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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by ni...@apache.org on 2002/05/25 19:57:08 UTC
cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
nicolaken 02/05/25 10:57:08
Modified: src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Log:
Changing my id to the nix id.
Revision Changes Path
1.5 +1 -1 xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs/who.xml
Index: who.xml
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RCS file: /home/cvs/xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs/who.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.4 -r1.5
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</section>
<section title="Committers">
<ul>
- <li>[NKB] - Nicola Ken Barozzi (nicolaken@apache.org)</li>
+ <li>[nicolaken] - Nicola Ken Barozzi (nicolaken@apache.org)</li>
<li>[DC] - David Crossley (crossley@apache.org)</li>
<li>[SM] - Stefano Mazzocchi (stefano@apache.org)</li>
<li>[JM] - John Morrison (morrijr@apache.org)</li>
Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
From: "David Crossley" <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>
Ken:
> > :-(
> *** I am confused by the use of the smiley icon. ***
I just wanted to tell you I was sad.
Let's just get over it, I'm not looking for appreciation, sorry if I was
misunderstood, it happens sometimes, no big deal.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > From: Nicola Ken Barozzi
> > > From: Steven Noels
> > > >
> > > > Any compelling reason to do so?
> > >
> > > 1. It's the "standard" over at krysalis
> > > 2. It's what was decided to be better over at gump@alexandria
> > > 3. It shows if the cron run works ;-)
> > >
> > > > > From: nicolaken@apache.org
> > > > > Changing my id to the nix id.
>
> From: John Morrison
>
> > 1. This isn't krysalis
> > 2. This isn't gump OR alexandria
> > 3. It really should have been discussed _here_.
>
> Sorry, I didn't think it was such a big issue changing *my* id.
> AFAIK nobody asked what we wanted ids to be in the first place, nor that
> there is a rule for it.
>
> > I prob would have said yes, but it would have been nice
> > to have been in on a discussion to decide this for
> > forrest.
>
> Gee, again I'm sorry, but this *isn't* a decision.
> I'm just testing the cron job to make Forrest work, and it just happened
> that at 20:00 o'clock, after a day full of work, I couldn't come up with a
> better thing to change to easily see if pubblication worked.
Come on now guys. Let us be productive.
Perhaps this situation has arisen because the work on Forrest
automation has not been discussed much on forrest-dev. There
seems to be plenty happening in that area in the background.
I would like to understand how it works. Hey, one day we
suddenly and magically had a website. Great, thanks, but how?
Obviously standards are necessary here, so we do need to
be aware of them and implement them. However, we do not all
subscribe to all mailing lists, so how are we know?
(By the way, it makes perfect sense to me to use committer
usernames as IDs.)
> You see, I didn't think discussing about my id is paramount now.
>
> If you think it's important just start a discussion.
> What's the problem?
Settle down Ken. John/Steven were just wondering why the sudden
change. It is the duty of committers to watch the CVS log messages
to ensure that strange things do not creep in. If we see something
odd, especially something inconsistent such as IDs, then we must
speak up immediately.
Perhaps a better cvs log message would have headed this whole
issue off. I think that committers need to briefly say "Why"
as well as "What".
> > Come to that, I'm subscribed to the alexandria list, with
> > commit access and I've not seen emails to that effect,
> > nor JM in any files.
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=alexandria-dev&m=101732369029269&w=2
> "
> From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> > And I would also recomend that
> > it use the users Apache account username as ID rather than BL, PD or
> whatever
> > as that way you can map username to things like changes gathered via cvs
> log
> > or from bugzilla or whatever.
> "
>
> I also said I was going to change for all projects using Centipede
> descriptors, and nobody argued, hence I thought it was liked by the others
> on the list.
>
> Let me make it clear: I don't care what the id is, I don't feel like
> discussing it -so do what you want-, I don't have any fealing of any sort
> about ids, I don't want to impose anything, I will never ever try to impose
> anything.
>
> Gee, I've been working hard these days on the project and all I get is being
> turned down by a stupid id.
>
> :-(
****************************************************
*** I am confused by the use of the smiley icon. ***
*** Would someone please explain. ***
****************************************************
My understanding is that it is used to make it doubly-clear
that the author was, in fact, trying to make a joke and
was not being serious.
Ken, you sound serious to me.
Anyway back to your last sentence. You seem to indicate that
we do not value your work ... quite the opposite. I am often
stunned by the work that you do in various projects. I do
express appreciation now and then (look to the archives).
I wonder if you have read the excellent new Forrest Primer,
wherein praise is lavished upon Nicola Ken. Please come
back, we need you.
--David
Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by Ivelin Ivanov <iv...@apache.org>.
Nicola,
You sure have been working hard lately!
Maybe that's why you're a bit cranky over Steven's comments.
I wouldn't think he meant to make it sound as offensive as you took it.
You're doing a great job buddy, just keep rockin'
Ivelin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org>
To: <fo...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
>
> > > From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> > > From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> > > > Any compelling reason to do so?
> > >
> > > 1. It's the "standard" over at krysalis
> > > 2. It's what was decided to be better over at gump@alexandria
> > > 3. It shows if the cron run works ;-)
> > >
> > > > > From: nicolaken@apache.org [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> > > > > Changing my id to the nix id.
> >
> >
>
> From: "John Morrison" <jo...@ntlworld.com>
>
> > 1. This isn't krysalis
> > 2. This isn't gump OR alexandria
> > 3. It really should have been discussed _here_.
>
> Sorry, I didn't think it was such a big issue changing *my* id.
> AFAIK nobody asked what we wanted ids to be in the first place, nor that
> there is a rule for it.
>
> > I prob would have said yes, but it would have been nice
> > to have been in on a discussion to decide this for
> > forrest.
>
> Gee, again I'm sorry, but this *isn't* a decision.
> I'm just testing the cron job to make Forrest work, and it just happened
> that at 20:00 o'clock, after a day full of work, I couldn't come up with a
> better thing to change to easily see if pubblication worked.
>
> You see, I didn't think discussing about my id is paramount now.
>
> If you think it's important just start a discussion.
> What's the problem?
>
> > Come to that, I'm subscribed to the alexandria list, with
> > commit access and I've not seen emails to that effect,
> > nor JM in any files.
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=alexandria-dev&m=101732369029269&w=2
> "
> From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> > And I would also recomend that
> > it use the users Apache account username as ID rather than BL, PD or
> whatever
> > as that way you can map username to things like changes gathered via cvs
> log
> > or from bugzilla or whatever.
> "
>
> I also said I was going to change for all projects using Centipede
> descriptors, and nobody argued, hence I thought it was liked by the others
> on the list.
>
> Let me make it clear: I don't care what the id is, I don't feel like
> discussing it -so do what you want-, I don't have any fealing of any sort
> about ids, I don't want to impose anything, I will never ever try to
impose
> anything.
>
> Gee, I've been working hard these days on the project and all I get is
being
> turned down by a stupid id.
>
> :-(
>
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
> - verba volant, scripta manent -
> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
RE: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by John Morrison <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
>
> From: "John Morrison" <jo...@ntlworld.com>
>
> What got me sad is that it was *percieved* like prevarication.
> That's all.
Na - we were just confused as to why. Anyway - water under the
bridge, forget about it. Deal?
> -oOo-
>
> Now, since it seems you want to decide this, what do you think?
>
> Can the user id be better?
Personally: +0. I forget quite often to even fill out the
changes.xml! ;)
There is the argument that people can manage initials better
than names, but that's rather weak when most of the time
it's the person themself :)
I would say that, if it is decided, somebody just does a global
sed for everyone's ID.
I'd also like input from the other two founders - Sam, Stefano
are you still monitoring this list/project?
J.
Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
From: "John Morrison" <jo...@ntlworld.com>
> > > I prob would have said yes, but it would have been nice
> > > to have been in on a discussion to decide this for
> > > forrest.
> >
> > Gee, again I'm sorry, but this *isn't* a decision.
>
> It was. Everything you do in life, including me sending this
> email is a decision. Nothing against that - you have too to live,
> but you can't deny it.
Ok, again.
It wasn't a decision. It was a test.
I was going to ask you all what you thought about using ids in the future,
but this had nothing to do with it.
> However, it
> shouldn't be a case of imposing something on the project (perhaps that
> wasn't the word you meant to use?). This is supposed to be a team
> effort.
Again: I don't want to impose anything.
It was a stupid *test*.
> > Gee, I've been working hard these days on the project and all I
> > get is being
> > turned down by a stupid id.
>
> We all know how hard you've been working on the project - and
> it *IS* appreciated. You weren't getting 'turned down', but,
> in all probability most people here arn't subscribed to Alexandria,
> and even if they are (like me) they may have completely missed that
> thread. (Typically, I don't read a thread to the end if I've lost
> interest part way through...)
Again: I didn't change it because I wanted it to remain that way.
I changed it because I wanted to easily see changes in a page.
I could have added a DEBUG:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA to the page, but it seemed a
bit too crass.
It's just a *test*, and it came to my mind because of the reasons I
mentioned.
It was not an attempt to make it that way.
What got me sad is that it was *percieved* like prevarication.
That's all.
-oOo-
Now, since it seems you want to decide this, what do you think?
Can the user id be better?
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by John Morrison <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
> Sorry, I didn't think it was such a big issue changing *my* id.
> AFAIK nobody asked what we wanted ids to be in the first place, nor that
> there is a rule for it.
*peace* Ken. It was just a change Steven and I weren't expecting. The
ID's have traditionally been the initials of your names. Prob because
it's easier to get NKB right for people than spell it in full! :)
> > I prob would have said yes, but it would have been nice
> > to have been in on a discussion to decide this for
> > forrest.
>
> Gee, again I'm sorry, but this *isn't* a decision.
It was. Everything you do in life, including me sending this
email is a decision. Nothing against that - you have too to live,
but you can't deny it.
> I'm just testing the cron job to make Forrest work, and it just happened
> that at 20:00 o'clock, after a day full of work, I couldn't come up with a
> better thing to change to easily see if pubblication worked.
OK. Thanks for letting us know this.
> You see, I didn't think discussing about my id is paramount now.
>
> If you think it's important just start a discussion.
> What's the problem?
>
> > Come to that, I'm subscribed to the alexandria list, with
> > commit access and I've not seen emails to that effect,
> > nor JM in any files.
>
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=alexandria-dev&m=101732369029269&w=2
> "
> From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> > And I would also recomend that
> > it use the users Apache account username as ID rather than BL, PD or
> whatever
> > as that way you can map username to things like changes gathered via cvs
> log
> > or from bugzilla or whatever.
> "
It was only a recommendation - it hasn't been implemented. Also,
GUMP/Alexandria lives in Jakarta, Forrest has come out of XML/Cocoon, and
I'd much sooner follow their conventions.
> I also said I was going to change for all projects using Centipede
> descriptors, and nobody argued, hence I thought it was liked by the others
> on the list.
<shrug/> what you do as lead developer for Centipede is completely
under your control. I thought this project was supposed to be a
community...
> Let me make it clear: I don't care what the id is, I don't feel like
> discussing it -so do what you want-, I don't have any fealing of any sort
> about ids, I don't want to impose anything, I will never ever try
> to impose
> anything.
No, no, no. 99.999% of everything you've ever done has been excellent.
*PLEASE* don't get annoyed over something so trivial! However, it
shouldn't be a case of imposing something on the project (perhaps that
wasn't the word you ment to use?). This is supposed to be a team
effort.
> Gee, I've been working hard these days on the project and all I
> get is being
> turned down by a stupid id.
We all know how hard you've been working on the project - and
it *IS* appreciated. You weren't getting 'turned down', but,
in all probability most people here arn't subscribed to Alexandria,
and even if they are (like me) they may have completely missed that
thread. (Typically, I don't read a thread to the end if I've lost
interest part way through...)
> :-(
Sorry you're upset.
J.
Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
> > From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> > From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> > > Any compelling reason to do so?
> >
> > 1. It's the "standard" over at krysalis
> > 2. It's what was decided to be better over at gump@alexandria
> > 3. It shows if the cron run works ;-)
> >
> > > > From: nicolaken@apache.org [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> > > > Changing my id to the nix id.
>
>
From: "John Morrison" <jo...@ntlworld.com>
> 1. This isn't krysalis
> 2. This isn't gump OR alexandria
> 3. It really should have been discussed _here_.
Sorry, I didn't think it was such a big issue changing *my* id.
AFAIK nobody asked what we wanted ids to be in the first place, nor that
there is a rule for it.
> I prob would have said yes, but it would have been nice
> to have been in on a discussion to decide this for
> forrest.
Gee, again I'm sorry, but this *isn't* a decision.
I'm just testing the cron job to make Forrest work, and it just happened
that at 20:00 o'clock, after a day full of work, I couldn't come up with a
better thing to change to easily see if pubblication worked.
You see, I didn't think discussing about my id is paramount now.
If you think it's important just start a discussion.
What's the problem?
> Come to that, I'm subscribed to the alexandria list, with
> commit access and I've not seen emails to that effect,
> nor JM in any files.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=alexandria-dev&m=101732369029269&w=2
"
From: "Peter Donald" <pe...@apache.org>
> And I would also recomend that
> it use the users Apache account username as ID rather than BL, PD or
whatever
> as that way you can map username to things like changes gathered via cvs
log
> or from bugzilla or whatever.
"
I also said I was going to change for all projects using Centipede
descriptors, and nobody argued, hence I thought it was liked by the others
on the list.
Let me make it clear: I don't care what the id is, I don't feel like
discussing it -so do what you want-, I don't have any fealing of any sort
about ids, I don't want to impose anything, I will never ever try to impose
anything.
Gee, I've been working hard these days on the project and all I get is being
turned down by a stupid id.
:-(
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by John Morrison <jo...@ntlworld.com>.
1. This isn't krysalis
2. This isn't gump OR alexandria
3. It really should have been discussed _here_.
I prob would have said yes, but it would have been nice
to have been in on a discussion to decide this for
forrest.
Come to that, I'm subscribed to the alexandria list, with
commit access and I've not seen emails to that effect,
nor JM in any files.
J.
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> > Any compelling reason to do so?
>
> 1. It's the "standard" over at krysalis
> 2. It's what was decided to be better over at gump@alexandria
> 3. It shows if the cron run works ;-)
>
> > > From: nicolaken@apache.org [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> > > Changing my id to the nix id.
Re: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
From: "Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org>
> Any compelling reason to do so?
1. It's the "standard" over at krysalis
2. It's what was decided to be better over at gump@alexandria
3. It shows if the cron run works ;-)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nicolaken@apache.org [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> > Sent: zaterdag 25 mei 2002 19:57
> > To: xml-forrest-cvs@apache.org
> > Subject: cvs commit:
> > xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
> >
> >
> > nicolaken 02/05/25 10:57:08
> >
> > Modified: src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
> > Log:
> > Changing my id to the nix id.
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RE: cvs commit: xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
Any compelling reason to do so?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nicolaken@apache.org [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> Sent: zaterdag 25 mei 2002 19:57
> To: xml-forrest-cvs@apache.org
> Subject: cvs commit:
> xml-forrest/src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
>
>
> nicolaken 02/05/25 10:57:08
>
> Modified: src/documentation/content/xdocs who.xml
> Log:
> Changing my id to the nix id.