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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com> on 2009/01/24 14:27:14 UTC
Re: different approach to remote UI
Hi Harmeet,
Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after every
change in the screens?
Thanks in advance
Bilgin
On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
> be applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/.
> Some other good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/
> ) and default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some
> decent widgets too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>
> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
> want to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very
> good choice for people writing java servers.
>
> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
> that is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is
> much more.
> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
> productive and reliable to create rich applications.
> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich javascript/ajax/
> dhtml applications.. one can now write much more complex user
> interfaces. i.e. take a leap in rich web application capabilities.
> i.e. write an entire webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write
> one entirely in javascript.
> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
> contain html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low
> barrier of entry, simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>
> Harmeet
Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
OK, now I see,
thank you for explaining.
2009/2/5 BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
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> it is a combination applet/application that can be detached from a
> webpage and used Standalone.
> there is one module in it that communicates with ofbiz as you say
> client/server, but not in the traditional way. That is the one the is
> mostly updated.
> What it achieves is very loose coupling to ofbiz. It only deals with
> data presented from ofbiz webpages and Sending Data back as if a user
> did something on the ofbiz webpage.
>
> so I have a very rich UI for the user. Similar to the Eclipse UI.
>
>
> Bruno Busco sent the following on 2/5/2009 11:57 AM:
>> BJ,
>> I am interested in better understand how the architecture you describe works.
>> Is this a client-server architecture?
>> I mean a java swing application running on the client that make
>> requestes to the OFBiz server?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> -Bruno
>>
>> 2009/2/5 BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>> I agree with David.
>> But if someone want to go to the trouble of doing the code I don't see
>> why it can't be put in the jira for someone to use if they want to.
>> Just as a heads up I use the current screens in my remote UI(java swing).
>> my app reads the screens, generates the equivalent in the UI i have, and
>> sends the changes as if a user does it.
>> This allows ofbiz to keep it dynamics, and allow my users to have a
>> intuitive UI.
>>
>> As ofbiz screens change at the browser level, then I have one module in
>> my code that gets updated.
>>
>> as far as "Remote" UI's I think they should be designed at arms length
>> to ofbiz.
>> that is what SOap is suppose to do.
>> so maybe getting Soap more robust would be one way.
>>
>> David E Jones sent the following on 2/4/2009 4:33 PM:
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and GWT is Apache licensed !
>>>>> That does make is easier to include... but isn't really a reason to use
>>>>> it... ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well...
>>>>>>> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
>>>>>>> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
>>>>> I don't know about others, but so far if OSS decides to do something in
>>>>> opentaps I take it as a good reason to NOT do the same in OFBiz. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a few of the things in that little recording are already supported
>>>>> in the form and screen widgets (with demos in the Example app), and
>>>>> other things could certainly be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is... how does GWT compare to other options? You can
>>>>> probably find dozens of emails on this topic in the archives if you're
>>>>> interested (ie comparing them to other JavaScript/AJAX libraries like
>>>>> prototype and dojo and such).
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK no one has done an adequate comparison of these technologies for
>>>>> what we want to do in OFBiz (or what users of OFBiz want to do, more to
>>>>> the point), but IMO we have more flexibility with our current tools, and
>>>>> not requiring the translation it makes it easier to debug and do funky
>>>>> things if needed... and as for overall development efficiency... I
>>>>> dunno, but my guess is the current approach is better so unless we find
>>>>> good reasons to move to GWT or something pushes it and does neat things
>>>>> with it that make it into the project, we probably won't use it much.
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>>>>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>>>>>>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ )
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>>>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> javascript.
>>>>>>>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of
>>>>>>>>>>> entry,
>>>>>>>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Raj Saini <ra...@gmail.com>.
Last week, I integrate Eclipse RAP (http://www.eclipse.org/rap/) with
OFBiz to tryout the the cool AJAX and OSGi stuff. The rapdemo
application worked well. This could be a good alternative to the desktop
rich client application (Of course not the default OFBiz UI).
Thanks,
Raj
BJ Freeman wrote:
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> it is a combination applet/application that can be detached from a
> webpage and used Standalone.
> there is one module in it that communicates with ofbiz as you say
> client/server, but not in the traditional way. That is the one the is
> mostly updated.
> What it achieves is very loose coupling to ofbiz. It only deals with
> data presented from ofbiz webpages and Sending Data back as if a user
> did something on the ofbiz webpage.
>
> so I have a very rich UI for the user. Similar to the Eclipse UI.
>
>
> Bruno Busco sent the following on 2/5/2009 11:57 AM:
>
>> BJ,
>> I am interested in better understand how the architecture you describe works.
>> Is this a client-server architecture?
>> I mean a java swing application running on the client that make
>> requestes to the OFBiz server?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> -Bruno
>>
>> 2009/2/5 BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
>> I agree with David.
>> But if someone want to go to the trouble of doing the code I don't see
>> why it can't be put in the jira for someone to use if they want to.
>> Just as a heads up I use the current screens in my remote UI(java swing).
>> my app reads the screens, generates the equivalent in the UI i have, and
>> sends the changes as if a user does it.
>> This allows ofbiz to keep it dynamics, and allow my users to have a
>> intuitive UI.
>>
>> As ofbiz screens change at the browser level, then I have one module in
>> my code that gets updated.
>>
>> as far as "Remote" UI's I think they should be designed at arms length
>> to ofbiz.
>> that is what SOap is suppose to do.
>> so maybe getting Soap more robust would be one way.
>>
>> David E Jones sent the following on 2/4/2009 4:33 PM:
>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and GWT is Apache licensed !
>>>>>>
>>>>> That does make is easier to include... but isn't really a reason to use
>>>>> it... ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well...
>>>>>>> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
>>>>>>> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about others, but so far if OSS decides to do something in
>>>>> opentaps I take it as a good reason to NOT do the same in OFBiz. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a few of the things in that little recording are already supported
>>>>> in the form and screen widgets (with demos in the Example app), and
>>>>> other things could certainly be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question is... how does GWT compare to other options? You can
>>>>> probably find dozens of emails on this topic in the archives if you're
>>>>> interested (ie comparing them to other JavaScript/AJAX libraries like
>>>>> prototype and dojo and such).
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK no one has done an adequate comparison of these technologies for
>>>>> what we want to do in OFBiz (or what users of OFBiz want to do, more to
>>>>> the point), but IMO we have more flexibility with our current tools, and
>>>>> not requiring the translation it makes it easier to debug and do funky
>>>>> things if needed... and as for overall development efficiency... I
>>>>> dunno, but my guess is the current approach is better so unless we find
>>>>> good reasons to move to GWT or something pushes it and does neat things
>>>>> with it that make it into the project, we probably won't use it much.
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>>>>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>>>>>>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>>>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> javascript.
>>>>>>>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of
>>>>>>>>>>> entry,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
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it is a combination applet/application that can be detached from a
webpage and used Standalone.
there is one module in it that communicates with ofbiz as you say
client/server, but not in the traditional way. That is the one the is
mostly updated.
What it achieves is very loose coupling to ofbiz. It only deals with
data presented from ofbiz webpages and Sending Data back as if a user
did something on the ofbiz webpage.
so I have a very rich UI for the user. Similar to the Eclipse UI.
Bruno Busco sent the following on 2/5/2009 11:57 AM:
> BJ,
> I am interested in better understand how the architecture you describe works.
> Is this a client-server architecture?
> I mean a java swing application running on the client that make
> requestes to the OFBiz server?
>
> Thank you,
> -Bruno
>
> 2009/2/5 BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
> I agree with David.
> But if someone want to go to the trouble of doing the code I don't see
> why it can't be put in the jira for someone to use if they want to.
> Just as a heads up I use the current screens in my remote UI(java swing).
> my app reads the screens, generates the equivalent in the UI i have, and
> sends the changes as if a user does it.
> This allows ofbiz to keep it dynamics, and allow my users to have a
> intuitive UI.
>
> As ofbiz screens change at the browser level, then I have one module in
> my code that gets updated.
>
> as far as "Remote" UI's I think they should be designed at arms length
> to ofbiz.
> that is what SOap is suppose to do.
> so maybe getting Soap more robust would be one way.
>
> David E Jones sent the following on 2/4/2009 4:33 PM:
>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...and GWT is Apache licensed !
>>>> That does make is easier to include... but isn't really a reason to use
>>>> it... ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well...
>>>>>> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
>>>>>> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
>>>> I don't know about others, but so far if OSS decides to do something in
>>>> opentaps I take it as a good reason to NOT do the same in OFBiz. :)
>>>>
>>>> Quite a few of the things in that little recording are already supported
>>>> in the form and screen widgets (with demos in the Example app), and
>>>> other things could certainly be done.
>>>>
>>>> The question is... how does GWT compare to other options? You can
>>>> probably find dozens of emails on this topic in the archives if you're
>>>> interested (ie comparing them to other JavaScript/AJAX libraries like
>>>> prototype and dojo and such).
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK no one has done an adequate comparison of these technologies for
>>>> what we want to do in OFBiz (or what users of OFBiz want to do, more to
>>>> the point), but IMO we have more flexibility with our current tools, and
>>>> not requiring the translation it makes it easier to debug and do funky
>>>> things if needed... and as for overall development efficiency... I
>>>> dunno, but my guess is the current approach is better so unless we find
>>>> good reasons to move to GWT or something pushes it and does neat things
>>>> with it that make it into the project, we probably won't use it much.
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What for?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>>>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>>>>>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ )
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>>>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an
>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> javascript.
>>>>>>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of
>>>>>>>>>> entry,
>>>>>>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
BJ,
I am interested in better understand how the architecture you describe works.
Is this a client-server architecture?
I mean a java swing application running on the client that make
requestes to the OFBiz server?
Thank you,
-Bruno
2009/2/5 BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>:
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>
> I agree with David.
> But if someone want to go to the trouble of doing the code I don't see
> why it can't be put in the jira for someone to use if they want to.
> Just as a heads up I use the current screens in my remote UI(java swing).
> my app reads the screens, generates the equivalent in the UI i have, and
> sends the changes as if a user does it.
> This allows ofbiz to keep it dynamics, and allow my users to have a
> intuitive UI.
>
> As ofbiz screens change at the browser level, then I have one module in
> my code that gets updated.
>
> as far as "Remote" UI's I think they should be designed at arms length
> to ofbiz.
> that is what SOap is suppose to do.
> so maybe getting Soap more robust would be one way.
>
> David E Jones sent the following on 2/4/2009 4:33 PM:
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>
>>> ...and GWT is Apache licensed !
>>
>> That does make is easier to include... but isn't really a reason to use
>> it... ;)
>>
>>
>>> 2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Well...
>>>> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
>>>> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
>>
>> I don't know about others, but so far if OSS decides to do something in
>> opentaps I take it as a good reason to NOT do the same in OFBiz. :)
>>
>> Quite a few of the things in that little recording are already supported
>> in the form and screen widgets (with demos in the Example app), and
>> other things could certainly be done.
>>
>> The question is... how does GWT compare to other options? You can
>> probably find dozens of emails on this topic in the archives if you're
>> interested (ie comparing them to other JavaScript/AJAX libraries like
>> prototype and dojo and such).
>>
>> AFAIK no one has done an adequate comparison of these technologies for
>> what we want to do in OFBiz (or what users of OFBiz want to do, more to
>> the point), but IMO we have more flexibility with our current tools, and
>> not requiring the translation it makes it easier to debug and do funky
>> things if needed... and as for overall development efficiency... I
>> dunno, but my guess is the current approach is better so unless we find
>> good reasons to move to GWT or something pushes it and does neat things
>> with it that make it into the project, we probably won't use it much.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>>> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What for?
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>>>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>>>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ )
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an
>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> javascript.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of
>>>>>>>> entry,
>>>>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
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I agree with David.
But if someone want to go to the trouble of doing the code I don't see
why it can't be put in the jira for someone to use if they want to.
Just as a heads up I use the current screens in my remote UI(java swing).
my app reads the screens, generates the equivalent in the UI i have, and
sends the changes as if a user does it.
This allows ofbiz to keep it dynamics, and allow my users to have a
intuitive UI.
As ofbiz screens change at the browser level, then I have one module in
my code that gets updated.
as far as "Remote" UI's I think they should be designed at arms length
to ofbiz.
that is what SOap is suppose to do.
so maybe getting Soap more robust would be one way.
David E Jones sent the following on 2/4/2009 4:33 PM:
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>
>> ...and GWT is Apache licensed !
>
> That does make is easier to include... but isn't really a reason to use
> it... ;)
>
>
>> 2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Well...
>>> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
>>> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
>
> I don't know about others, but so far if OSS decides to do something in
> opentaps I take it as a good reason to NOT do the same in OFBiz. :)
>
> Quite a few of the things in that little recording are already supported
> in the form and screen widgets (with demos in the Example app), and
> other things could certainly be done.
>
> The question is... how does GWT compare to other options? You can
> probably find dozens of emails on this topic in the archives if you're
> interested (ie comparing them to other JavaScript/AJAX libraries like
> prototype and dojo and such).
>
> AFAIK no one has done an adequate comparison of these technologies for
> what we want to do in OFBiz (or what users of OFBiz want to do, more to
> the point), but IMO we have more flexibility with our current tools, and
> not requiring the translation it makes it easier to debug and do funky
> things if needed... and as for overall development efficiency... I
> dunno, but my guess is the current approach is better so unless we find
> good reasons to move to GWT or something pushes it and does neat things
> with it that make it into the project, we probably won't use it much.
>
> -David
>
>
>>> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>> What for?
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>>>> -Bruno
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ )
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an
>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> javascript.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of
>>>>>>> entry,
>>>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Feb 4, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
> ...and GWT is Apache licensed !
That does make is easier to include... but isn't really a reason to
use it... ;)
> 2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
>
>> Well...
>> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
>> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
I don't know about others, but so far if OSS decides to do something
in opentaps I take it as a good reason to NOT do the same in OFBiz. :)
Quite a few of the things in that little recording are already
supported in the form and screen widgets (with demos in the Example
app), and other things could certainly be done.
The question is... how does GWT compare to other options? You can
probably find dozens of emails on this topic in the archives if you're
interested (ie comparing them to other JavaScript/AJAX libraries like
prototype and dojo and such).
AFAIK no one has done an adequate comparison of these technologies for
what we want to do in OFBiz (or what users of OFBiz want to do, more
to the point), but IMO we have more flexibility with our current
tools, and not requiring the translation it makes it easier to debug
and do funky things if needed... and as for overall development
efficiency... I dunno, but my guess is the current approach is better
so unless we find good reasons to move to GWT or something pushes it
and does neat things with it that make it into the project, we
probably won't use it much.
-David
>> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>
>>
>>> What for?
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>>> -Bruno
>>>>
>>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details
>>>>> with
>>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bibryam@iguanait.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz
>>>>>> after every
>>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT
>>>>>> that can
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/.
>>>>>>> Some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> other
>>>>>
>>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/
>>>>>> smartgwt/ )
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some
>>>>>>> decent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> widgets
>>>>>
>>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see
>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java
>>>>>>> code and
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>>>>> productive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user
>>>>>>> interfaces.
>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write
>>>>>>> an entire
>>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> javascript.
>>>>>
>>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> contain
>>>>>
>>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier
>>>>>> of entry,
>>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
...and GWT is Apache licensed !
2009/2/4 Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>
> Well...
> ...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
> http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
>
> 2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>
>
>> What for?
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>>
>> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>>> -Bruno
>>>
>>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>>
>>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>>
>>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Jeroen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after every
>>>>> change in the screens?
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> Bilgin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>>
>>>>> other
>>>>
>>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ )
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>>
>>>>> widgets
>>>>
>>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>>> choice
>>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>>>> more.
>>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more productive
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich
>>>>>> javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an entire
>>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>>
>>>>> javascript.
>>>>
>>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>>
>>>>> contain
>>>>
>>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of entry,
>>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
Well...
...to have something similar to this in the OFBiz UI :
http://opensourcestrategies.com/images/opentaps_gwt_demo.htm
2009/2/4 David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>
> What for?
>
> -David
>
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
>
> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
>> Shouldn't we consider using it?
>> -Bruno
>>
>> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>>
>> Dear Harmeet,
>>>
>>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Jeroen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>>
>>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after every
>>>> change in the screens?
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Bilgin
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can be
>>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>>>>>
>>>> other
>>>
>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ ) and
>>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>>>>>
>>>> widgets
>>>
>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you
>>>>> want
>>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>>> choice
>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>
>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and
>>>>> that
>>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much more.
>>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more productive
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich javascript/ajax/dhtml
>>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces.
>>>>> i.e.
>>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an entire
>>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>>>>>
>>>> javascript.
>>>
>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>>>>>
>>>> contain
>>>
>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of entry,
>>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Harmeet
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
What for?
-David
On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Bruno Busco wrote:
> It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
> Shouldn't we consider using it?
> -Bruno
>
> 2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
>
>> Dear Harmeet,
>>
>> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
>> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Jeroen
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Harmeet,
>>>
>>> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
>>> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after
>>> every
>>> change in the screens?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Bilgin
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that
>>>> can be
>>>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
>> other
>>>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/
>>>> smartgwt/ ) and
>>>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
>> widgets
>>>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>>>
>>>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>>>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>>>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if
>>>> you want
>>>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good
>>>> choice
>> for
>>>> people writing java servers.
>>>>
>>>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code
>>>> and that
>>>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much
>>>> more.
>>>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more
>>>> productive
>> and
>>>> reliable to create rich applications.
>>>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich javascript/ajax/
>>>> dhtml
>>>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user
>>>> interfaces. i.e.
>>>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an
>>>> entire
>>>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
>> javascript.
>>>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
>> contain
>>>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of
>>>> entry,
>>>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>>>
>>>> Harmeet
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
It seems opentaps is going to use GWT.
Shouldn't we consider using it?
-Bruno
2009/2/2 Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>
> Dear Harmeet,
>
> Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
> us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
>
> Thanks,
> -Jeroen
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Harmeet,
> >
> > Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
> > Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after every
> > change in the screens?
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Bilgin
> >
> > On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
> >
> >> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can be
> >> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some
> other
> >> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ ) and
> >> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent
> widgets
> >> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
> >>
> >> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
> >> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
> >> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you want
> >> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good choice
> for
> >> people writing java servers.
> >>
> >> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and that
> >> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much more.
> >> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more productive
> and
> >> reliable to create rich applications.
> >> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich javascript/ajax/dhtml
> >> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces. i.e.
> >> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an entire
> >> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in
> javascript.
> >> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can
> contain
> >> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of entry,
> >> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
> >>
> >> Harmeet
> >
> >
>
Re: different approach to remote UI
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>.
Dear Harmeet,
Your GWT approach sounds promising. Could you share more details with
us on how you did it and perhaps supply some code?
Thanks,
-Jeroen
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Bilgin Ibryam <bi...@iguanait.com> wrote:
> Hi Harmeet,
>
> Can you show any demo or POC code for gwt integrated with ofbiz?
> Do you need to compile and deploy javascipt files in ofbiz after every
> change in the screens?
> Thanks in advance
>
> Bilgin
>
> On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Harmeet Bedi wrote:
>
>> There are a few libraries that are rich with widgets in GWT that can be
>> applied. We started with gxt : http://extjs.com/products/gxt/. Some other
>> good candidates are smartgwt ( http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/ ) and
>> default GWT toolkit and associated google projects have some decent widgets
>> too. (GWT is under apache license so compatible).
>>
>> It would be very nice if Ofbiz team can consider more GWT. We could
>> provide code.. developer help etc. to promote this.
>> We could start with creating a demo that you can see and see if you want
>> to evaluate this direction more. I feel GWT + HTML is a very good choice for
>> people writing java servers.
>>
>> GWT theoretically is just a mechanism where you write java code and that
>> is generated into javascript and dom manipulation, but it is much more.
>> - Strong typing in java, debugger support makes it far more productive and
>> reliable to create rich applications.
>> - Due to better approach applied with GWT to rich javascript/ajax/dhtml
>> applications.. one can now write much more complex user interfaces. i.e.
>> take a leap in rich web application capabilities. i.e. write an entire
>> webpos in gwt vs. very hard and buggy to write one entirely in javascript.
>> - Can retain HTML as the frame of application and gwt widgets can contain
>> html. GWT and ftl templates can play together. So low barrier of entry,
>> simple nature of web 1.0 is retained.
>>
>> Harmeet
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