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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by Stephen Friedrich <tr...@eekboom.com> on 2007/08/09 00:44:31 UTC
[Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
or to older trinidad versions.
- What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist either).
Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
Trinidad 1.2.1.
- Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema definition?
- When will the skin selector docs be updated?
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Stephen Friedrich <tr...@eekboom.com>.
Oops, my bad: Should have read the FAQ that says you have to use tr:document.
I can offer an excuse though: I started with the JBoss Seam example seamdiscs
that shows how to integrate Seam and trinidad.
There even is a comment in their trinidad-config.xml
"Use our own skin, vaguely like the a4j blueSky skin"
I never noticed that despite that comment the skin is never really used there.
Thank again, Stephen
Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> Thanks Scott,
> I found that skin mentioned here:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-adffaces-dev/200702.mbox/%3c45CAA45E.1070505@mizar.com%3e
>
>
> I downloaded it and deployed it in WEB-INF/lib but can't get it to work
> at all.
> No errors logged - the skin is just not used.
> Is there anything more to do than changing this in trinidad-config.xml?
> <skin-family>RedwoodShores</skin-family>
>
> I tried various variations of using trinidad-skins.xml also, but no luck.
>
> Stephen
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Stephen Friedrich <tr...@eekboom.com>.
Thanks Scott,
I found that skin mentioned here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-adffaces-dev/200702.mbox/%3c45CAA45E.1070505@mizar.com%3e
I downloaded it and deployed it in WEB-INF/lib but can't get it to work at all.
No errors logged - the skin is just not used.
Is there anything more to do than changing this in trinidad-config.xml?
<skin-family>RedwoodShores</skin-family>
I tried various variations of using trinidad-skins.xml also, but no luck.
Stephen
Scott O'Bryan wrote:
> Stephan,
>
> I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
> called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
> Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know whatever
> came of it.
>
> Scott
>
> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
>> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
>> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
>> or to older trinidad versions.
>>
>> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
>> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
>> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
>> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist either).
>> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
>> Trinidad 1.2.1.
>> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
>> definition?
>> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>>
>>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
I'm hoping to get some of the internal Oracle docs on skinning
contributed to Trinidad in the very near future. I agree it's
majorly in need of documentation!
-- Adam
On 8/8/07, Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stephan, there have been TONS of changes. Not only in the format but
> also in the dom, keys, etc.
>
> Scott
>
> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> > Thanks, I noticed some problems, too, even with my yet very, very
> > small app.
> > panelBox has a background color that does not completely fill its
> > shape, most
> > fonts are way too large and fonts in dropdowns are much too small.
> >
> > Any hints how to get a better skin? You probably can't share yours,
> > right?
> > Isn't there some sort of conversion from the old oracle-desktop.xss to
> > to css, so that one could start with that? Or would that make no sense
> > because there were too many changes in trinidad?
> >
> > These problems should at least be mentioned in the "convert from adf"
> > document!
> >
> > Perkins, Nate-P63196 wrote:
> >> I would not recommend Redwood Shores, it did not function properly for
> >> me and did not look that much like the old ADF Oracle skin. I have made
> >> an Oracle look-and-feel skin that I believe is very close to the
> >> original Oracle skin if you have questions on how to do it.
> >>
> >> Nate Perkins
> >> 480-441-3667
> >> nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
> >>
> >>> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and
> >> may contain GDC4S
> >>> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
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> >>> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
> >> the sender by reply email and
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> >>>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Scott O'Bryan [mailto:darkarena@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday,
> >> August 08, 2007 3:55 PM
> >> To: MyFaces Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
> >>
> >> Stephan,
> >>
> >> I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
> >> called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
> >> Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know whatever
> >>
> >> came of it.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> >>> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
> >>> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
> >>> or to older trinidad versions.
> >>>
> >>> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
> >>> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
> >>> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
> >>> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist
> >> either).
> >>> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
> >>> Trinidad 1.2.1.
> >>> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
> >>> definition?
> >>> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
Stephan, there have been TONS of changes. Not only in the format but
also in the dom, keys, etc.
Scott
Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> Thanks, I noticed some problems, too, even with my yet very, very
> small app.
> panelBox has a background color that does not completely fill its
> shape, most
> fonts are way too large and fonts in dropdowns are much too small.
>
> Any hints how to get a better skin? You probably can't share yours,
> right?
> Isn't there some sort of conversion from the old oracle-desktop.xss to
> to css, so that one could start with that? Or would that make no sense
> because there were too many changes in trinidad?
>
> These problems should at least be mentioned in the "convert from adf"
> document!
>
> Perkins, Nate-P63196 wrote:
>> I would not recommend Redwood Shores, it did not function properly for
>> me and did not look that much like the old ADF Oracle skin. I have made
>> an Oracle look-and-feel skin that I believe is very close to the
>> original Oracle skin if you have questions on how to do it.
>>
>> Nate Perkins
>> 480-441-3667
>> nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
>>
>>> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and
>> may contain GDC4S
>>> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
>> disclosure or distribution
>>> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
>> the sender by reply email and
>>> destroy all copies of the original message.
>>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott O'Bryan [mailto:darkarena@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday,
>> August 08, 2007 3:55 PM
>> To: MyFaces Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
>>
>> Stephan,
>>
>> I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
>> called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
>> Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know whatever
>>
>> came of it.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
>>> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
>>> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
>>> or to older trinidad versions.
>>>
>>> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
>>> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
>>> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
>>> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist
>> either).
>>> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
>>> Trinidad 1.2.1.
>>> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
>>> definition?
>>> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
RE: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by "Perkins, Nate-P63196" <Na...@gdc4s.com>.
I'm attaching my oracle skin, I believe it is very close to the Oracle
look and feel without having the rendered buttons. (I apologize for
having to attach each image individually, our email filters are rather
strict :)) The images are for the light panelBox (which is the default)
They could easily be modified to account for the other color options.
Another (for our project) notable discrepancy is the fact that in
Trinidad the panelSideBar can no longer be skinned with a imaged border
so we can not achieve that nice shadowed effect that Oracle had for its
menu3 facet of the panelPage. I had posted something on this subject but
never heard anything.
There are differences between the way Trinidad renders and the way ADF
rendered that cannot be accounted for in the skin though, so beware of
subtle (or not so subtle) spacing and sizing issues. Firebug has been
invaluable to me in sorting out which issues I can fix with the skin and
which I need to use inlineStyle for. Also turning off the style class
compression makes things much easier.
Nate Perkins
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Friedrich [mailto:trinidad@eekboom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:20 PM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Thanks, I noticed some problems, too, even with my yet very, very small
app.
panelBox has a background color that does not completely fill its shape,
most
fonts are way too large and fonts in dropdowns are much too small.
Any hints how to get a better skin? You probably can't share yours,
right?
Isn't there some sort of conversion from the old oracle-desktop.xss to
to css, so that one could start with that? Or would that make no sense
because there were too many changes in trinidad?
These problems should at least be mentioned in the "convert from adf"
document!
Perkins, Nate-P63196 wrote:
> I would not recommend Redwood Shores, it did not function properly for
> me and did not look that much like the old ADF Oracle skin. I have
made
> an Oracle look-and-feel skin that I believe is very close to the
> original Oracle skin if you have questions on how to do it.
>
>
> Nate Perkins
> 480-441-3667
> nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
>
>> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)
and
> may contain GDC4S
>> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure or distribution
>> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
> the sender by reply email and
>> destroy all copies of the original message.
>>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott O'Bryan [mailto:darkarena@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: MyFaces Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
>
> Stephan,
>
> I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
> called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
> Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know
whatever
>
> came of it.
>
> Scott
>
> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
>> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
>> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF
Faces
>> or to older trinidad versions.
>>
>> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
>> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
>> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
>> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist
> either).
>> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
>> Trinidad 1.2.1.
>> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
>> definition?
>> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>>
>>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nate, Stephen,
together with:
http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~mrobinso/RedwoodShores.jar
this means we'll definitely have to start a skin repository now.
regards,
Martin
On 8/10/07, Stephen Friedrich <tr...@eekboom.com> wrote:
> Thanks a million, Nate! That's looking very nice.
>
>
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Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Stephen Friedrich <tr...@eekboom.com>.
Thanks a million, Nate! That's looking very nice.
RE: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by "Perkins, Nate-P63196" <Na...@gdc4s.com>.
I created my css directly from the oracle.xss
You should use the following structure
-public_html
-skins
oracle-skin.css
-images
panel-light_bottom-start.png, etc
Nate Perkins
480-441-3667
nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
>This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and
may contain GDC4S
> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
disclosure or distribution
> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
the sender by reply email and
> destroy all copies of the original message.
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Perkins, Nate-P63196 [mailto:Nate.Perkins@gdc4s.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:06 AM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: RE: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
I'm attaching my oracle skin, I believe it is very close to the Oracle
look and feel without having the rendered buttons. (I apologize for
having to attach each image individually, our email filters are rather
strict :)) The images are for the light panelBox (which is the default)
They could easily be modified to account for the other color options.
Another (for our project) notable discrepancy is the fact that in
Trinidad the panelSideBar can no longer be skinned with a imaged border
so we can not achieve that nice shadowed effect that Oracle had for its
menu3 facet of the panelPage. I had posted something on this subject but
never heard anything.
There are differences between the way Trinidad renders and the way ADF
rendered that cannot be accounted for in the skin though, so beware of
subtle (or not so subtle) spacing and sizing issues. Firebug has been
invaluable to me in sorting out which issues I can fix with the skin and
which I need to use inlineStyle for. Also turning off the style class
compression makes things much easier.
Nate Perkins
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Friedrich [mailto:trinidad@eekboom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:20 PM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Thanks, I noticed some problems, too, even with my yet very, very small
app.
panelBox has a background color that does not completely fill its shape,
most
fonts are way too large and fonts in dropdowns are much too small.
Any hints how to get a better skin? You probably can't share yours,
right?
Isn't there some sort of conversion from the old oracle-desktop.xss to
to css, so that one could start with that? Or would that make no sense
because there were too many changes in trinidad?
These problems should at least be mentioned in the "convert from adf"
document!
Perkins, Nate-P63196 wrote:
> I would not recommend Redwood Shores, it did not function properly for
> me and did not look that much like the old ADF Oracle skin. I have
made
> an Oracle look-and-feel skin that I believe is very close to the
> original Oracle skin if you have questions on how to do it.
>
>
> Nate Perkins
> 480-441-3667
> nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
>
>> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)
and
> may contain GDC4S
>> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure or distribution
>> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
> the sender by reply email and
>> destroy all copies of the original message.
>>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott O'Bryan [mailto:darkarena@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: MyFaces Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
>
> Stephan,
>
> I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
> called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
> Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know
whatever
>
> came of it.
>
> Scott
>
> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
>> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
>> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF
Faces
>> or to older trinidad versions.
>>
>> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
>> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
>> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
>> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist
> either).
>> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
>> Trinidad 1.2.1.
>> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
>> definition?
>> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>>
>>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Stephen Friedrich <tr...@eekboom.com>.
Thanks, I noticed some problems, too, even with my yet very, very small app.
panelBox has a background color that does not completely fill its shape, most
fonts are way too large and fonts in dropdowns are much too small.
Any hints how to get a better skin? You probably can't share yours, right?
Isn't there some sort of conversion from the old oracle-desktop.xss to
to css, so that one could start with that? Or would that make no sense
because there were too many changes in trinidad?
These problems should at least be mentioned in the "convert from adf" document!
Perkins, Nate-P63196 wrote:
> I would not recommend Redwood Shores, it did not function properly for
> me and did not look that much like the old ADF Oracle skin. I have made
> an Oracle look-and-feel skin that I believe is very close to the
> original Oracle skin if you have questions on how to do it.
>
>
> Nate Perkins
> 480-441-3667
> nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
>
>> This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and
> may contain GDC4S
>> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure or distribution
>> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
> the sender by reply email and
>> destroy all copies of the original message.
>>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott O'Bryan [mailto:darkarena@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: MyFaces Discussion
> Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
>
> Stephan,
>
> I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
> called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
> Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know whatever
>
> came of it.
>
> Scott
>
> Stephen Friedrich wrote:
>> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
>> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
>> or to older trinidad versions.
>>
>> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
>> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
>> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
>> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist
> either).
>> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
>> Trinidad 1.2.1.
>> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
>> definition?
>> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>>
>>
>
RE: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by "Perkins, Nate-P63196" <Na...@gdc4s.com>.
I would not recommend Redwood Shores, it did not function properly for
me and did not look that much like the old ADF Oracle skin. I have made
an Oracle look-and-feel skin that I believe is very close to the
original Oracle skin if you have questions on how to do it.
Nate Perkins
480-441-3667
nate.perkins@gdc4s.com
>This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and
may contain GDC4S
> confidential or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
disclosure or distribution
> is prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact
the sender by reply email and
> destroy all copies of the original message.
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott O'Bryan [mailto:darkarena@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:55 PM
To: MyFaces Discussion
Subject: Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Stephan,
I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know whatever
came of it.
Scott
Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
> or to older trinidad versions.
>
> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist
either).
> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
> Trinidad 1.2.1.
> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
> definition?
> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>
>
Re: [Trinidad] Skinning - Getting started
Posted by Scott O'Bryan <da...@gmail.com>.
Stephan,
I think someone created an "oracle desktop"-like skin for trinidad
called "Redwood Shores". I know we talked about putting it into
Trinidad or into some sort of skin repository, but I don't know whatever
came of it.
Scott
Stephen Friedrich wrote:
> Creating/configuring a skin for my app gives me headaches.
> It seems all documentation is outdated - it either refers to ADF Faces
> or to older trinidad versions.
>
> - What default skins are available? I have converted one of my
> application from ADF Faces, but now it looks damn ugly.
> I read somewhere else that the oracle.desktop skin is no longer
> available (but a sensible myfaces/trinidad skin does not exist either).
> Also I got confused because oracle-desktop.xss is still part of
> Trinidad 1.2.1.
> - Is trinidad-skins.xml described somewhere? Is there a schema
> definition?
> - When will the skin selector docs be updated?
>
>