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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Árnold <aa...@freemail.hu> on 2015/04/28 13:01:32 UTC

Petition: “tabbing interface” requirement

Dear Office Team
 
I would like to inform you that I will create a petition to pay attention of your Management and Development team about a requirement which is the &ldquo;tabbing interface&rdquo;
 
 
I will publish the petition on the related forum:
 
Issue 12686 - Tabbed Document Windows
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=12686
 
 
Plan of the possible answers:
- It would be good if AOO and/or LO have &ldquo;tabbing interface&rdquo;
- It would be good if AOO and/or LO have an OPTIONAL &ldquo;tabbing interface&rdquo; (like eg. in Firefox, where I can use the WebPages on different Tabs or Windows, also I can group them with this feature)
- It would be good if AOO and/or LO have plugin which allow us to change the interface to &ldquo;tabbing interface&rdquo;
- I don&#39;t need &ldquo;tabbing interface&rdquo; in AOO and/or LO at all
 
 
Many thanks in advance.
 
Best Regards!
Arnold Fabian from Hungary

RE: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by Árnold <aa...@freemail.hu>.
Hello Dennis
 
Yes, you are right, and I think, I was too eager &ndash; sorry for that. I am using Lotus Symphony, and Apache OpenOffice at my company, but the development of the Symphony finished, so for the new documents types and features, I have to use Apache OpenOffice.
But by using these 2 Office product, I can compare some features, and found that the tabbing interface in  Symphony is very useful and productive while working with more Documentation. My petition is only to pay attention of this requirement. Yes, it can be hard to implement it, but possible, and if many signatures will get, then maybe there will be enough intent from the Developers to implement it
I know, to get the required signatures is hard, and have to achieve it without spamming someone else mailbox (as you wrote, and I agree with you), but I am thinking about the popularization of it as the purpose is &ndash; as per my experiences &ndash; is very useful and can help other people work the faster, easier and comfortable.
I have time, and hope, at least a plugin will be developed.
And I won&#39;t be discouraged if my initiative will not initiative the purpose. Of course, soon, I will use the community sites like Facebook and Google Plus, but first I tried another was to inform the AOO/LO affected people &ndash; did it in a wrong way. 
Many thanks for your mail. Regards,
Arnold Fabian 
"Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org> írta:
>Arnold,
>
>I don&#39;t think spamming email lists about this is very productive.
>
>It is akin to many "petition" activities.  They express desires without providing any means for their achievement.  The same can happen with Feature Requests on the project Bugzilla collections.
>
>In this case, there is no consideration to how complicated this would be based on the existing large code base that AOO and LibO have to manage (and then making it an optional feature makes that even more complicated).
>
>But ultimately, for an open-source project, the biggest problem is capturing the attention of developers who are capable, available, and interested in producing such a feature.  And there are prioritization issues and work that might be considered more important (especially around defects and quality-assurance requirements).
>
>If it feels good, by all means add to the petition.  Just don&#39;t be too broken-hearted when there is no impact.  And don&#39;t be too discouraged if there are not very many signatures on the petition.
>
> - Dennis
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Árnold [mailto:aarnold@freemail.hu] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 03:04
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>Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org; info@documentfoundation.org
>Subject: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user &ndash; do you need &ldquo;tabbing interface&rdquo;?
>
>Dear Addresses! 
> 
>Sorry for disturbing you, I have found your email address on an Apache OpenOffice/Libre Office related webpage.
>I would like to inform you, that I have started a petition to pay your attention of the Apache OpenOffice and Libre Office Management and Developement teams for the required &ldquo;Tabbing Interface&rdquo; 
> 
>[ ... ]
> 

RE: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Arnold,

I don't think spamming email lists about this is very productive.

It is akin to many "petition" activities.  They express desires without providing any means for their achievement.  The same can happen with Feature Requests on the project Bugzilla collections.

In this case, there is no consideration to how complicated this would be based on the existing large code base that AOO and LibO have to manage (and then making it an optional feature makes that even more complicated).

But ultimately, for an open-source project, the biggest problem is capturing the attention of developers who are capable, available, and interested in producing such a feature.  And there are prioritization issues and work that might be considered more important (especially around defects and quality-assurance requirements).

If it feels good, by all means add to the petition.  Just don't be too broken-hearted when there is no impact.  And don't be too discouraged if there are not very many signatures on the petition.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Árnold [mailto:aarnold@freemail.hu] 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 03:04
To: John@JohnHaller.com; thysell@gmail.com; richard@openoffice.org; galaxy_master@hotmail.com; 018416@southamericacruises.net; 000barb@gmail.com; "h.e.f.fordewafex."@gmail.com; admin@ppsec.gr; benno@datapimp.org; gelson@tvcassis.com.br; uglysunday@yahoo.com; falk@milan.k12.mi.us; cslibby@gmail.com; luczani@yahoo.it; jza@oooes.org; patslap@yahoo.co.uk; tim.lloyd@gmx.com; inpost@gmail.com; tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk; csanyipal@gmail.com; b.m.barker@btinternet.com
Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org; info@documentfoundation.org
Subject: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Dear Addresses! 
 
Sorry for disturbing you, I have found your email address on an Apache OpenOffice/Libre Office related webpage.
I would like to inform you, that I have started a petition to pay your attention of the Apache OpenOffice and Libre Office Management and Developement teams for the required &ldquo;Tabbing Interface&rdquo; 
 
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Re: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 05/28/2015 07:38 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:
>> Linux has had it for decades.
> Maybe one decade?

It's been in Linux for as long as I've used it and that's over 15 years now.


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Re: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
> On May 28, 2015, at 11:51, Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't used Windows for many years now, but as I understand it also
> windows supports several desktop spaces these days.

If so, it's quite recent without an add-on.

> MacOS X I don't know, I
> have never used it.

It's been there for several years

> Linux has had it for decades.

Maybe one decade?

It's been available in eCS (nee OS/2) for a long time also.

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Re: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-05-28 12:04 GMT+02:00 Árnold <aa...@freemail.hu>:

> Dear Addresses!
>
> Sorry for disturbing you, I have found your email address on an Apache
> OpenOffice/Libre Office related webpage.
> I would like to inform you, that I have started a petition to pay your
> attention of the Apache OpenOffice and Libre Office Management and
> Developement teams for the required &ldquo;Tabbing Interface&rdquo;
>
> Recommendation for optional &ldquo;Tabbing Interface&rdquo;in Apache
> OpenOffice and/or Libre Office
>
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/204/055/517/petition-for-optional-tabbing-interface-in-apache-openoffice-andor-libre-office/
> and/or
>
> http://www.petitions24.com/petition_for_optional_tabbing_interface_in_apache_openoffice
> issued two times to see which site is the popularity
>

I don't see the point. Why not just put the windows on different virtual
desktop spaces? Then, when doing Alt+Tab, you only see the windows of that
virtual desktop space.
I haven't used Windows for many years now, but as I understand it also
windows supports several desktop spaces these days. MacOS X I don't know, I
have never used it. Linux has had it for decades.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question entirely, as usual.


Kind regards

Johnny Rosenberg
ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ



>
> Please support and share and them if possible to see the claim of that
> feature.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Arnold Fabian
>

Re: Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by Urmas <da...@gmail.com>.
"Árnold":

> I would like to inform you, that I have started a petition to pay your 
> attention of the Apache OpenOffice and Libre Office
> Management and Developement teams for the required "Tabbing Interface"

There has no proficiently enough developers left to realize the split views 
feature, so I'm afraid this is well past their abilities either. 



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Asking the Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office user – do you need “tabbing interface”?

Posted by Árnold <aa...@freemail.hu>.
Dear Addresses! 
 
Sorry for disturbing you, I have found your email address on an Apache OpenOffice/Libre Office related webpage.
I would like to inform you, that I have started a petition to pay your attention of the Apache OpenOffice and Libre Office Management and Developement teams for the required &ldquo;Tabbing Interface&rdquo; 
 
Recommendation for optional &ldquo;Tabbing Interface&rdquo;in Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/204/055/517/petition-for-optional-tabbing-interface-in-apache-openoffice-andor-libre-office/ 
and/or 
http://www.petitions24.com/petition_for_optional_tabbing_interface_in_apache_openoffice 
issued two times to see which site is the popularity 
 
Please support and share and them if possible to see the claim of that feature. 
 
Many thanks 
 
Arnold Fabian