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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Laurence Arabia <uf...@hotmail.com> on 2004/07/06 21:44:09 UTC

RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happenWOT


I find your assertion that Jesus was a Software Developer a little 
challenging. Not to draw conclusions on those sources. I only suggest there 
is a lack of proof at my disposal.

"gcj"  <-->  "jcg" Yes I did get it.

>From: Kannan Sundararajan <ks...@marketaxess.com>
>Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: 'Tomcat Users List' <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto 
>ever happen
>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:56 -0400
>
>Is it? Hope you don't lie. Do you?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:ivj@comcast.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:28 PM
>To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
>worstthingsto ever happen
>
>
>Jesus agrees with me.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Laurence Arabia [mailto:ufo_mechanic@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:08 AM
> > To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the 
>worstthingsto
> > ever happen
> >
> >
> > Exactly I agree when you are dealing with a team of 30+ delvelopers you
> > either hold reviews every month and tie everyone down to a structure 
>that
> > evolves causing confusion and rewrites or the whole lot goes to pot. 
>Which
> > is fine if you work for a finance house with buckets of money but where
> > productivity is more important than process C++ would not be my choice.
> > Degres of abstraction are more difficult to attain.  I would like to 
>hear
> > the opinion of a hardcore C++ programmer. Cause I would like to know the
> > faults in this argument as I am sure there is. The performance question 
>I
> > think is almost irrelvant. If you want performance write C/Assembler in 
>a
> > kernel module perferably but ultimately its comes back to a some
> > marshalling
> > code whose structure has to be easily evolved and adapted its nature is
> > almost disposable as protocols and business rules change.
> >
> > Whats the opinion on gcj ?
> >
> >
> > >From: "SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI)" <ds...@sbc.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> > worstthingsto
> > >ever happen Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:22:25 -0500
> > >
> > >If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
> > >programming language for 4 years now?  As was recognized long ago,
> > >performance is not everything.  And in fact, means little when you 
>can't
> > >get your product out the door because you are still trying to chase 
>down
> > >memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.  As somebody else
> > >said, C++ programmers will understand this.
> > >
> > >Daniel
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:eric.vergnaud@jlynx.com]
> > >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
> > >To: Tomcat Users List
> > >Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> > worstthingsto
> > >ever happen
> > >
> > >
> > >le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions Ў sh-solutions@gmx.net a Иcrit :
> > >
> > > > Right now, I would say that java applications (if well written) are 
>at
> > >least
> > > > half as fast as c applications (also well written).
> > >
> > >Which means that when your java app is in competition with a native 
>app,
> > >youve lost the market.
> > >
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Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happenWOT

Posted by Joel <re...@ddcom.co.jp>.
> I find your assertion that Jesus was a Software Developer a little 
> challenging.

Jesus is the greatest Software Developer that has ever Graced this
earth. (So to speak.) Of course He doesn't usually use either Java or C,
and, some of the languages He uses, I'm not sure we'd recognize as such.

> Not to draw conclusions on those sources. I only suggest there 
> is a lack of proof at my disposal.

Only you can change that. 

;-)

-- 
Joel <re...@ddcom.co.jp>


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Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto ever happenWOT

Posted by David Smith <dn...@cornell.edu>.
Maybe not, but the image it evokes is pretty funny. I wonder how much 
cursing and swearing he did trying to track down exceptions and memory 
leaks. :-)

--David

Laurence Arabia wrote:

>
>
> I find your assertion that Jesus was a Software Developer a little 
> challenging. Not to draw conclusions on those sources. I only suggest 
> there is a lack of proof at my disposal.
>
> "gcj" <--> "jcg" Yes I did get it.
>
>> From: Kannan Sundararajan <ks...@marketaxess.com>
>> Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> To: 'Tomcat Users List' <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the 
>> worstthingsto ever happen
>> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:56 -0400
>>
>> Is it? Hope you don't lie. Do you?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:ivj@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 3:28 PM
>> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>> Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
>> worstthingsto ever happen
>>
>>
>> Jesus agrees with me.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Laurence Arabia [mailto:ufo_mechanic@hotmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:08 AM
>> > To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the 
>> worstthingsto
>> > ever happen
>> >
>> >
>> > Exactly I agree when you are dealing with a team of 30+ delvelopers 
>> you
>> > either hold reviews every month and tie everyone down to a 
>> structure that
>> > evolves causing confusion and rewrites or the whole lot goes to 
>> pot. Which
>> > is fine if you work for a finance house with buckets of money but 
>> where
>> > productivity is more important than process C++ would not be my 
>> choice.
>> > Degres of abstraction are more difficult to attain. I would like to 
>> hear
>> > the opinion of a hardcore C++ programmer. Cause I would like to 
>> know the
>> > faults in this argument as I am sure there is. The performance 
>> question I
>> > think is almost irrelvant. If you want performance write 
>> C/Assembler in a
>> > kernel module perferably but ultimately its comes back to a some
>> > marshalling
>> > code whose structure has to be easily evolved and adapted its 
>> nature is
>> > almost disposable as protocols and business rules change.
>> >
>> > Whats the opinion on gcj ?
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: "SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI)" <ds...@sbc.com>
>> > >Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> > >To: "Tomcat Users List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
>> > >Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
>> > worstthingsto
>> > >ever happen Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:22:25 -0500
>> > >
>> > >If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
>> > >programming language for 4 years now? As was recognized long ago,
>> > >performance is not everything. And in fact, means little when you 
>> can't
>> > >get your product out the door because you are still trying to 
>> chase down
>> > >memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers. As somebody 
>> else
>> > >said, C++ programmers will understand this.
>> > >
>> > >Daniel
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:eric.vergnaud@jlynx.com]
>> > >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
>> > >To: Tomcat Users List
>> > >Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
>> > worstthingsto
>> > >ever happen
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions Ю sh-solutions@gmx.net a Иcrit :
>> > >
>> > > > Right now, I would say that java applications (if well written) 
>> are at
>> > >least
>> > > > half as fast as c applications (also well written).
>> > >
>> > >Which means that when your java app is in competition with a 
>> native app,
>> > >youve lost the market.
>> > >
>> > >-------------------------------
>> > >Eric VERGNAUD - JLynx Software
>> > >Cutting-edge technologies and
>> > >services for software companies
>> > >web: http://www.jlynx.com
>> > >-------------------------------
>> > >
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