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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@udanax.org> on 2008/04/01 12:19:58 UTC
Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
Dear Grant, Thanks for your +1.
I feel with you about your mention of the "lack of interest from
Hadoop", but I think that shouldn't be a problem; we can communicate
with hadoop people in real time if we need.
BTW, I wonder whether mentor is badly needed.
Someone please reply to me.
Thanks.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 on bringing this into incubation. I think it still needs a mentor
> and I am also concerned about lack of interest from Hadoop, but they
> have their own fish to fry, as they say, and it shouldn't stop this
> from going forward.
>
> I think it will be useful in Mahout, if there are Java APIs exposed.
>
> -Grant
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2008, at 11:29 PM, edward yoon wrote:
>
> > Thank you very much for your advice.
> > I was going to fix that.
> >
> > Last year I worked as a full-time open source developer at R&D center
> > at NHN (search service company) for hadoop and hbase, and now i worked
> > for development projects in real service areas. Some (minchang,
> > changhee) are my fellow workers, Others { chanwit (Student), yongho
> > (TMAX software, database company), taehui (KRIBB, biomedical
> > government research center) } are came from hadoop community.
> >
> > --
> > == Homogenous Developers ==
> >
> > The current list of committers includes developers from several
> > different companies ( NHN, corp, TMAX software, Korea Research
> > Institute of Bioscience and Biotechnology, Students) plus many
> > independent volunteers. The committers are geographically distributed
> > across the Europe, and Asia. They are experienced with working in a
> > distributed environment.
> >
> > == Reliance on Salaried Developers ==
> >
> > It is expected that Hama development will occur on both salaried time
> > and on volunteer time, after hours. While there is reliance on
> > salaried developers (currently from NHN, corp, but it's expected that
> > other company's salaried developers will also be involved), the Hama
> > Community is very active and things should balance out fairly quickly.
> > In the meantime, NHN, corp will support the project in the future by
> > dedicating 'work time' to Hama, so that there is a smooth transition.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Edward.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Grant Ingersoll
> > <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2008, at 1:56 AM, edward yoon wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear IPMC,
> >>>
> >>> I´m still waiting for hadoop's answer, but IMO, I would like to
> >>> continue to discuss this.
> >>> Apache (incubator) Pig project is built on top of Hadoop, but it is
> >>> not a hadoop sub-project.
> >>>
> >>> Each different concept of project has inherently different
> >>> characteristics for its domain,
> >>> so by knowing the concept of project, we can get a clear view of
> >>> their project.
> >>> I think hama applies in this case, too.
> >>
> >> Seems reasonable to bring it back here at this point, since Hadoop
> >> has
> >> not responded.
> >>
> >> Can you fill in the background on the 4 proposed committers a bit?
> >> Do
> >> you all work together or not? It's not clear from the proposal, as
> >> it
> >> seems to suggest that you don't (Homogenous Devs section), but then
> >> later in the Reliance on Salaried Devs it suggests that you 3 of you
> >> do, but it may just be I am misreading the proposal.
> >>
> >> -Grant
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> > Edward yoon @ NHN, corp.
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@udanax.org>.
Our mentor has come for the hama project. And, We're not
proportionately I think attracting as many volunteer/person of
interests as we should be, although the sheer numbers are clearly
heading in the right direction. Therefore, i hoped the incubate would
come quickly, for we know that the apache incubator is a good
jumping-off point for our research and collaboration contacts.
So, I wonder whether it can be entered into the voting thread at this
time. Also, If you find that the lack of any of this proposal, I'd
like to hear your advice.
Thanks,
Edward.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> Dear Bertrand, Thanks for your help.
>
> > IMHO, if no one is interested in mentoring (dunno if it is the case),
> > that might be a good sign that your project needs to grow a community
> > elsewhere before entering incubation.
>
> That seems like a fair bet. I'll rev up the community of the hama and
> recruit the mentors for this project.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> >
> > > ... BTW, I wonder whether mentor is badly needed.
> > > Someone please reply to me....
> >
> > Yes, at least one mentor, and ideally up to three, are needed for a
> > project to enter incubation.
> >
> > IMHO, if no one is interested in mentoring (dunno if it is the case),
> > that might be a good sign that your project needs to grow a community
> > elsewhere before entering incubation.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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> Edward J. Yoon
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@udanax.org>.
Dear Bertrand, Thanks for your help.
> IMHO, if no one is interested in mentoring (dunno if it is the case),
> that might be a good sign that your project needs to grow a community
> elsewhere before entering incubation.
That seems like a fair bet. I'll rev up the community of the hama and
recruit the mentors for this project.
Thanks.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
>
> > ... BTW, I wonder whether mentor is badly needed.
> > Someone please reply to me....
>
> Yes, at least one mentor, and ideally up to three, are needed for a
> project to enter incubation.
>
> IMHO, if no one is interested in mentoring (dunno if it is the case),
> that might be a good sign that your project needs to grow a community
> elsewhere before entering incubation.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [DISCUSSION] Hama Proposal
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Edward J. Yoon <ed...@udanax.org> wrote:
> ... BTW, I wonder whether mentor is badly needed.
> Someone please reply to me....
Yes, at least one mentor, and ideally up to three, are needed for a
project to enter incubation.
IMHO, if no one is interested in mentoring (dunno if it is the case),
that might be a good sign that your project needs to grow a community
elsewhere before entering incubation.
-Bertrand
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