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svn commit: r1032995 - in
/lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Author: gsingers
Date: Tue Nov 9 14:35:28 2010
New Revision: 1032995
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1032995&view=rev
Log:
LUCENE-2746: add TM to some of the logos, don't have an editor for the others
Modified:
lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr.jpg
lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr_FC.eps
Modified: lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr.jpg
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr.jpg?rev=1032995&r1=1032994&r2=1032995&view=diff
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
And FWIW, here's my bit of civil disobedience :-P
http://yonik.wordpress.com/
-Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Ryan McKinley <ry...@gmail.com>.
I'm with yonik on this one... why would the logo need a tm?
Isn't it already trademarked?
I'm in no rush to make the logo more ugly... for no need.
Is the plan to add tm to all the feather images across apache too?
http://www.apache.org/
but I hate to be a pain in the ass
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>> You can read it at http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
>
> I did - but just because it appears on a web page does not make it
> true. There have been *many* examples (and still are many examples)
> of things that are on our websites that are not strictly true.
>
>> , which is what I'm following and explains in the first paragraph. I don't understand why it is a big deal to add a little TM on the logo.
>
> Part of it is uglification, part of it is slippery slope. I see
> increasing micro-management and rigidity and it's something I actively
> fight against ;-)
>
>> It's standard practice for anyone wanting to protect their names/logos
>
> http://www.pg.com/
> http://www.pepsi.com/
> http://www.kraftfoodscompany.com
> http://www.unilever.com/
> http://www.conocophillips.com/
> http://www.3m.com/
> http://www.boeing.com/
> http://www.pfizer.com/home/
> http://www.google.com/
> http://www.apple.com/
> http://www.jnj.com/
> http://www.ge.com/
> http://www.att.com/
> http://www.verizon.com
>
> In my quick survey of some of the biggest companies off the top of my
> head, about 75% did not.
>
>> and as you stated, they are already trademarked items.
>
> meaning it shouldn't be necessary.
>
> -Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> You can read it at http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
I did - but just because it appears on a web page does not make it
true. There have been *many* examples (and still are many examples)
of things that are on our websites that are not strictly true.
> , which is what I'm following and explains in the first paragraph. I don't understand why it is a big deal to add a little TM on the logo.
Part of it is uglification, part of it is slippery slope. I see
increasing micro-management and rigidity and it's something I actively
fight against ;-)
> It's standard practice for anyone wanting to protect their names/logos
http://www.pg.com/
http://www.pepsi.com/
http://www.kraftfoodscompany.com
http://www.unilever.com/
http://www.conocophillips.com/
http://www.3m.com/
http://www.boeing.com/
http://www.pfizer.com/home/
http://www.google.com/
http://www.apple.com/
http://www.jnj.com/
http://www.ge.com/
http://www.att.com/
http://www.verizon.com
In my quick survey of some of the biggest companies off the top of my
head, about 75% did not.
> and as you stated, they are already trademarked items.
meaning it shouldn't be necessary.
-Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images: solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
You can read it at http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs, which is what I'm following and explains in the first paragraph. I don't understand why it is a big deal to add a little TM on the logo. It's standard practice for anyone wanting to protect their names/logos and as you stated, they are already trademarked items. FWIW, we can put the TM next to the logo too, but that just seems clunky HTML wise.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
> FYI, I've followed up with trademarks@
>
> -Yonik
> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Sorry, I figured the word "Requirements" in the title was pretty clear.
>>
>> I was seeking information on how this became an actual hard
>> requirement, and if it actually was.
>> It certainly wouldn't be the first time that something is listed as a
>> requirement just because someone thought it was a good idea.
>>
>> -Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
FYI, I've followed up with trademarks@
-Yonik
http://www.lucidimagination.com
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sorry, I figured the word "Requirements" in the title was pretty clear.
>
> I was seeking information on how this became an actual hard
> requirement, and if it actually was.
> It certainly wouldn't be the first time that something is listed as a
> requirement just because someone thought it was a good idea.
>
> -Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sorry, I figured the word "Requirements" in the title was pretty clear.
I was seeking information on how this became an actual hard
requirement, and if it actually was.
It certainly wouldn't be the first time that something is listed as a
requirement just because someone thought it was a good idea.
-Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images: solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 3:54 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>> See the mail to the PMC on Branding Requirements and the associated website.
>
> I guess I was looking for something more specific.
> I followed a lot of the previous discussions on trademark stuff - I
> just missed the transition point where it became absolutely required.
Sorry, I figured the word "Requirements" in the title was pretty clear. In talking with Shane (who handles TM for the ASF) the goal is to have much more consistency across the ASF as it regards to protecting the ASF marks, so this is something all projects must implement on and report to the Board on in terms of progress.
-Grant
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> See the mail to the PMC on Branding Requirements and the associated website.
I guess I was looking for something more specific.
I followed a lot of the previous discussions on trademark stuff - I
just missed the transition point where it became absolutely required.
-Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images: solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
Karl, yes it is something Manifold needs to do.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sorry, no choice. Comes down from the board that logos need TMs on them.
>
> IMO, it's a little too much micromanagement (and IIRC not everyone
> agreed about logo TMs in the past). Have any pointers to more recent
> discussions for me?
See the mail to the PMC on Branding Requirements and the associated website.
>
> We can also trademark our logos w/o adding TM to them, and I disagree
> that we need to add it to the Lucene/Solr logos (Lucene and Solr names
> themselves are trademarked).
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sorry, no choice. Comes down from the board that logos need TMs on them.
IMO, it's a little too much micromanagement (and IIRC not everyone
agreed about logo TMs in the past). Have any pointers to more recent
discussions for me?
We can also trademark our logos w/o adding TM to them, and I disagree
that we need to add it to the Lucene/Solr logos (Lucene and Solr names
themselves are trademarked).
-Yonik
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RE: svn commit: r1032995 - in
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solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by ka...@nokia.com.
Is this something ManifoldCF needs to do also?
Karl
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Sorry, no choice. Comes down from the board that logos need TMs on them.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
> IMO, any changes to our logos should be voted on.
>
> -Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images: solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
Sorry, no choice. Comes down from the board that logos need TMs on them.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Yonik Seeley wrote:
> IMO, any changes to our logos should be voted on.
>
> -Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
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Posted by Yonik Seeley <yo...@lucidimagination.com>.
IMO, any changes to our logos should be voted on.
-Yonik
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
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Posted by Robert Muir <rc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Chris Hostetter
<ho...@fucit.org> wrote:
>
> : LUCENE-2746: add TM to some of the logos, don't have an editor for the others
> :
also, thanks for making all these updates... updating the website is a hassle.
i was taking a look at lucene.apache.org and noticed the (TM) is a bit funky.
any objection to instead of Lucene (TM) doing Lucene™ ?
Using the trade mark sign (U+2122) looks better in my opinion, its
very old in unicode and even my telephone can display it.
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images: solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Grant Ingersoll <gs...@apache.org>.
Ah, OK. I just used my photo editor. I'll fix, using the SVG.
On Nov 9, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote:
>
> : LUCENE-2746: add TM to some of the logos, don't have an editor for the others
> :
> : Modified:
> : lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr.jpg
> : lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr_FC.eps
>
> grant: I'm not sure how you edited the solr_FC.eps file but you caused the
> smoothness of the line cuves to look horific when the image is enlarged.
> (note the filesize droped about 50%).
>
> In general, the *.svg files are the "source" files that all of the other
> files were generated form -- we should add the "TM" to the SVN files and
> then generate the JPG and EPS files from that.
>
>
> -Hoss
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Re: svn commit: r1032995 - in /lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images:
solr.jpg solr_FC.eps
Posted by Chris Hostetter <ho...@fucit.org>.
: LUCENE-2746: add TM to some of the logos, don't have an editor for the others
:
: Modified:
: lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr.jpg
: lucene/dev/trunk/solr/src/site/src/documentation/content/xdocs/images/solr_FC.eps
grant: I'm not sure how you edited the solr_FC.eps file but you caused the
smoothness of the line cuves to look horific when the image is enlarged.
(note the filesize droped about 50%).
In general, the *.svg files are the "source" files that all of the other
files were generated form -- we should add the "TM" to the SVN files and
then generate the JPG and EPS files from that.
-Hoss
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