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NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-james/nightly/binary/james.sar
contains fixes for NNTP. In order to use it you must install James v2.1
FIRST, replace james.sar, and modify config.xml to enable the NNTP service.
Your feedback is desired.
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by Martin Woolley <ma...@woolleynet.com>.
Hi
the environment is Windows 2000 with both the client and James running on
the same box and using OE 6. JDK is Sun JDK1.3_06. I will actually be
deploying on Linux but it's convenient for me to do quick installs/tests on
my win2k box.
Despite the "oddities", I reckon the build I'm now using is good enough for
us to get started with and so I have installed on our Linux server and told
my own Dev team to go to it. I've also asked them to report any issues so
that I can give you feedback.
All the best
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com]
Sent: 10 January 2003 16:59
To: James Users List
Subject: RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Martin,
Thank you for testing.
What is your test environment? There is an open bug report when using
James' NNTP support on NTFS. I am running the server on linux with Sun JDK
1.4.1. The clients are WinXP with Microsoft Outlook Express 6, Netscape
News and Opera 6.
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 5:05 --
> - improved from yesterday but still problems
The NNTP code is still experimental, and needs more development work. As
long as we're making progress, and can identify precisely remaining issues,
that's good. Harmeet is working on an NNTP protocol test, which would help
identify protocol errors more clearly than testing with a typical news
client.
See: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesNNTP for current
known status of the NNTP implementation.
> - I am running with the default newsgroups (avalon.dev/user,
james.dev/user).
OK. I have those, plus a couple I created for testing.
> - I posted 2 messages to the avalon.dev group (first in the list). There
is no
> sign of the messages via the client (OE). I can see the corresponding
files in
> the file system but no indication at all that the group contains messages
from
> the client.
> - I can post to the other three groups, including replies and so far
everything
> works as expected.
Interesting. I posted to all of my newsgroups, and all of them work. And
according to a later note from you, they are now working for you, too?
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 6:37 --
> Retrieving the list of NewsGroups from the server with OE results in";
> 500 Unknown command
> Configuration:
> Account: localhost
> Server: localhost
> Protocol: NNTP
> Port: 119
> Secure(SSL): 0
> Error Number: 500
> Code: 800ccca2
Would you please go into SAR-INF/environment.xml and change the two NNTP
related entries from INFO to DEBUG? :-) I see something similar:
10/01/03 09:46:14 DEBUG nntpserver: Command received: LIST
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 215 list of newsgroups follows
...
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: .
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Command received:
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Received unknown command with argument
null
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 500 Unknown command
As you can see, after the LIST command was processed, Outlook Express 6
appears to send a blank command. Neither Opera or Netscape sent that blank
command. Outlook Express 6 appears to be the cause of the error, but
appears to ignore the error on my system.
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 6:41 --
> If I start using the latest nightly build, is there any risk of message
store
> compatibility issues when I install later releases?
We're not contemplating changing any message store formats for James v2.
For James v3, I would certainly hope that the NNTP store will be entirely
replaced. The current one is atrocious.
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 6:40 --
> Added another group, which alphabetically appears before the first of the
> default groups (the one I cannot see messages in ie avalon.dev). Now new
> messages posted to avalon.dev can be seen (but not my originals). Posting
to
> the newly created group works fine by the looks of things. Most strange.
So does this mean that as of now you are getting messages posted to all of
the accounts? Are there any files present in your var/nntp/spool directory?
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Martin,
Thank you for testing.
What is your test environment? There is an open bug report when using
James' NNTP support on NTFS. I am running the server on linux with Sun JDK
1.4.1. The clients are WinXP with Microsoft Outlook Express 6, Netscape
News and Opera 6.
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 5:05 --
> - improved from yesterday but still problems
The NNTP code is still experimental, and needs more development work. As
long as we're making progress, and can identify precisely remaining issues,
that's good. Harmeet is working on an NNTP protocol test, which would help
identify protocol errors more clearly than testing with a typical news
client.
See: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesNNTP for current
known status of the NNTP implementation.
> - I am running with the default newsgroups (avalon.dev/user,
james.dev/user).
OK. I have those, plus a couple I created for testing.
> - I posted 2 messages to the avalon.dev group (first in the list). There
is no
> sign of the messages via the client (OE). I can see the corresponding
files in
> the file system but no indication at all that the group contains messages
from
> the client.
> - I can post to the other three groups, including replies and so far
everything
> works as expected.
Interesting. I posted to all of my newsgroups, and all of them work. And
according to a later note from you, they are now working for you, too?
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 6:37 --
> Retrieving the list of NewsGroups from the server with OE results in";
> 500 Unknown command
> Configuration:
> Account: localhost
> Server: localhost
> Protocol: NNTP
> Port: 119
> Secure(SSL): 0
> Error Number: 500
> Code: 800ccca2
Would you please go into SAR-INF/environment.xml and change the two NNTP
related entries from INFO to DEBUG? :-) I see something similar:
10/01/03 09:46:14 DEBUG nntpserver: Command received: LIST
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 215 list of newsgroups follows
...
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: .
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Command received:
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Received unknown command with argument
null
10/01/03 09:46:15 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 500 Unknown command
As you can see, after the LIST command was processed, Outlook Express 6
appears to send a blank command. Neither Opera or Netscape sent that blank
command. Outlook Express 6 appears to be the cause of the error, but
appears to ignore the error on my system.
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 6:41 --
> If I start using the latest nightly build, is there any risk of message
store
> compatibility issues when I install later releases?
We're not contemplating changing any message store formats for James v2.
For James v3, I would certainly hope that the NNTP store will be entirely
replaced. The current one is atrocious.
-- Martin Woolley @ Jan 10, 2003 6:40 --
> Added another group, which alphabetically appears before the first of the
> default groups (the one I cannot see messages in ie avalon.dev). Now new
> messages posted to avalon.dev can be seen (but not my originals). Posting
to
> the newly created group works fine by the looks of things. Most strange.
So does this mean that as of now you are getting messages posted to all of
the accounts? Are there any files present in your var/nntp/spool directory?
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by Martin Woolley <ma...@yahoo.com>.
Feedback from my initial tests:
- improved from yesterday but still problems
- I am running with the default newsgroups (avalon.dev/user, james.dev/user).
- I posted 2 messages to the avalon.dev group (first in the list). There is no
sign of the messages via the client (OE). I can see the corresponding files in
the file system but no indication at all that the group contains messages from
the client.
- I can post to the other three groups, including replies and so far everything
works as expected.
Hope this helps... and good luck!
Martin
--- "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-james/nightly/binary/james.sar
> contains fixes for NNTP. In order to use it you must install James v2.1
> FIRST, replace james.sar, and modify config.xml to enable the NNTP service.
>
> Your feedback is desired.
>
> --- Noel
>
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
> i'm not seeing anything about message size
It would have been an XOVER reply, if the command were issued.
> i think this is a forte free agent thing.
OK, then we'll just keep an eye on it. :-)
As for the NNTP connection timeout, I found one document on the web
suggesting 10 seconds, and other 10 mins. :-)
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
> OK, that would be good. :-) I am noticing that with -1 reported as the
> line count, the Opera client actually does a fixup on the line count in
the
> message.
what part of the nntpserver.log do you want to look at? i'm not seeing
anything about message size.....besides, i think this is a forte free agent
thing. Lines vs. Bytes i think.....
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 211 list of article numbers
follow
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 1
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 10
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 11
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 12
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 13
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 14
10/01/03 10:33:57 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 15
.
.
.
10/01/03 10:34:10 DEBUG nntpserver: Calling reset() default Worker #43
10/01/03 10:34:10 DEBUG nntpserver: Command received: ARTICLE 20
10/01/03 10:34:10 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: 220 20
<3e...@neonkiwi.com>
10/01/03 10:34:10 DEBUG nntpserver: Sent: .
> While on the subject, what should the idle time be for an NNTP connection?
> Right now the default (in config.xml) is 2 minutes. Should it be longer
for
> News Readers?
i don't know. as long as the timeout is configurable each admin can make
adjustments as needed.
>
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
Rolling back the SMTPHandler buffering change appears to correct the
problem.
--- Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Noel,
Yesterday I noticed that after a few hours of running, James was using 90-95
percent of my cpu resources. I decided to disable NNTP and when I got up
this morning java.exe was again using all of my resources. I just restarted
James with the original james.sar. Do you have any idea if this could be
caused by the .sar file?
Randy
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
During testing, I have verified the existance of the problem in v2.1.1a2.
Next up is trying to identify the cause.
Thank you again for your report.
--- Noel
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From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Noel,
Yesterday I noticed that after a few hours of running, James was using 90-95
percent of my cpu resources. I decided to disable NNTP and when I got up
this morning java.exe was again using all of my resources. I just restarted
James with the original james.sar. Do you have any idea if this could be
caused by the .sar file?
Randy
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
There are very few changes to James outside of the NNTP changes. The only
ones that come to mind are a buffering change by Serge in the SMTPHandler,
and the updated JavaMail/JAF packages.
The entire list of changes so far is listed at the bottom the JamesV2Plans
Wiki page:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesV2Plans
Please let me know if you can reproduce this problem.
--- Noel
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From: JRC [mailto:postmaster@neonkiwi.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:35
To: James Users List
Subject: Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Noel,
Yesterday I noticed that after a few hours of running, James was using 90-95
percent of my cpu resources. I decided to disable NNTP and when I got up
this morning java.exe was again using all of my resources. I just restarted
James with the original james.sar. Do you have any idea if this could be
caused by the .sar file?
Randy
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
Yesterday I noticed that after a few hours of running, James was using 90-95
percent of my cpu resources. I decided to disable NNTP and when I got up
this morning java.exe was again using all of my resources. I just restarted
James with the original james.sar. Do you have any idea if this could be
caused by the .sar file?
Randy
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Randy,
> > The way the handler code was written it tries to do a
> > quit after the connection would idle out. I've just
> > added a patch for that.
> is the patch in the james.sar? same location?
Not yet. The exception is harmless, other than the log entry. I applied
the patch locally this morning. Was figuring to see if there were any other
obvious things to fix. We're already close to v2.1.1 based upon my original
list:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JamesV2Plans
I need to apply Simon's PostgreSQL changes to sqlResources, and a couple of
other things, but all in all, v2.1.1 appears to be shaping up.
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
is the patch in the james.sar? same location?
thanks for all of your hard work.
---randy
> Those are timeouts. The way the handler code was written it tries to do a
> quit after the connection would idle out. I've just added a patch for
that.
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> Yes, I can turn on debug. After sending the previous message i did notice
> that the correct file size is displayed in outlook express. i think the
> issue is in forte free agent....maybe....
OK, that would be good. :-) I am noticing that with -1 reported as the
line count, the Opera client actually does a fixup on the line count in the
message.
> i have also noticed james is throwing errors in nntpserver.log constantly
Those are timeouts. The way the handler code was written it tries to do a
quit after the connection would idle out. I've just added a patch for that.
While on the subject, what should the idle time be for an NNTP connection?
Right now the default (in config.xml) is 2 minutes. Should it be longer for
News Readers?
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
Noel,
Yes, I can turn on debug. After sending the previous message i did notice
that the correct file size is displayed in outlook express. i think the
issue is in forte free agent....maybe....
i have also noticed james is throwing errors in nntpserver.log constantly
10/01/03 09:17:35 ERROR nntpserver: NNTP Connection has idled out.
10/01/03 09:17:35 ERROR nntpserver: Exception during connection:socket
closed
java.net.SocketException: socket closed
at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method)
at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(Unknown Source)
at sun.nio.cs.StreamDecoder$CharsetSD.readBytes(Unknown Source)
at sun.nio.cs.StreamDecoder$CharsetSD.implRead(Unknown Source)
at sun.nio.cs.StreamDecoder.read(Unknown Source)
at java.io.InputStreamReader.read(Unknown Source)
at java.io.BufferedReader.fill(Unknown Source)
at java.io.BufferedReader.readLine(Unknown Source)
at java.io.BufferedReader.readLine(Unknown Source)
at
org.apache.james.nntpserver.NNTPHandler.handleConnection(NNTPHandler.java:35
7)
at
org.apache.james.util.connection.ServerConnection$ClientConnectionRunner.run
(ServerConnection.java:404)
at
org.apache.avalon.excalibur.thread.impl.ExecutableRunnable.execute(Executabl
eRunnable.java:47)
at
org.apache.avalon.excalibur.thread.impl.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:8
0)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
> > i just tested the new nntp james.sar. outlook express was able to see
and
> > retrieve yesterdays test post. i did another test post with a binary
> > attachment (.jpg) and that worked well. i just did a second test post
with
> a
> > multi-part binary attachment (.mp3) and it posted and decoded perfectly.
>
> Well those are good things to hear. :-)
>
> > the only issue i see is the reported file size of 65535 for every post.
> > don't know if this is james or free agent......
>
> Randy, there is a known bug were James reports -1 for the line count. But
> it should report the correct byte count. Can you turn on debugging, and
see
> if we spot the source of the faulty size in the log file?
>
> --- Noel
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RE: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> i just tested the new nntp james.sar. outlook express was able to see and
> retrieve yesterdays test post. i did another test post with a binary
> attachment (.jpg) and that worked well. i just did a second test post with
a
> multi-part binary attachment (.mp3) and it posted and decoded perfectly.
Well those are good things to hear. :-)
> the only issue i see is the reported file size of 65535 for every post.
> don't know if this is james or free agent......
Randy, there is a known bug were James reports -1 for the line count. But
it should report the correct byte count. Can you turn on debugging, and see
if we spot the source of the faulty size in the log file?
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by JRC <po...@neonkiwi.com>.
i just tested the new nntp james.sar. outlook express was able to see and
retrieve yesterdays test post. i did another test post with a binary
attachment (.jpg) and that worked well. i just did a second test post with a
multi-part binary attachment (.mp3) and it posted and decoded perfectly.
the only issue i see is the reported file size of 65535 for every post.
don't know if this is james or free agent......
---randy
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From: "Martin Woolley" <ma...@yahoo.com>
To: "James Users List" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
> Added another group, which alphabetically appears before the first of the
> default groups (the one I cannot see messages in ie avalon.dev). Now new
> messages posted to avalon.dev can be seen (but not my originals). Posting
to
> the newly created group works fine by the looks of things. Most strange.
>
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by Martin Woolley <ma...@yahoo.com>.
Added another group, which alphabetically appears before the first of the
default groups (the one I cannot see messages in ie avalon.dev). Now new
messages posted to avalon.dev can be seen (but not my originals). Posting to
the newly created group works fine by the looks of things. Most strange.
--- "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-james/nightly/binary/james.sar
> contains fixes for NNTP. In order to use it you must install James v2.1
> FIRST, replace james.sar, and modify config.xml to enable the NNTP service.
>
> Your feedback is desired.
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by Martin Woolley <ma...@yahoo.com>.
Retrieving the list of NewsGroups from the server with OE results in";
500 Unknown command
Configuration:
Account: localhost
Server: localhost
Protocol: NNTP
Port: 119
Secure(SSL): 0
Error Number: 500
Code: 800ccca2
--- "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-james/nightly/binary/james.sar
> contains fixes for NNTP. In order to use it you must install James v2.1
> FIRST, replace james.sar, and modify config.xml to enable the NNTP service.
>
> Your feedback is desired.
>
> --- Noel
>
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Re: NNTP: Nightly Build available for testing
Posted by Martin Woolley <ma...@yahoo.com>.
Question:
If I start using the latest nightly build, is there any risk of message store
compatibility issues when I install later releases? Presumably not but I
thought I should ask!
--- "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-james/nightly/binary/james.sar
> contains fixes for NNTP. In order to use it you must install James v2.1
> FIRST, replace james.sar, and modify config.xml to enable the NNTP service.
>
> Your feedback is desired.
>
> --- Noel
>
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