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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> on 2009/01/16 11:26:06 UTC
Apachecon 2009
Who will be visiting Apachecon 2009 in Amsterdam?
Details can be found here:
http://www.eu.apachecon.com/c/aceu2009/about/press
Re: Apachecon 2009
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Jan 23, 2009, at 3:49 AM, Wicus wrote:
>
> For an Open Source type development, OFBiz is the answer to third
> world
> Countries.
>
> Poor currencies, with enormous exchange rates, makes Linux with
> OFBiz the
> ultimate solution for developing nations.
While I agree that this would be a great thing for developing
economies, and help them compete much better with more developed
economies, it's still difficult to "sell" to them.
There is a funny thing about not having (which I know from some
experience) and that is you want the things that people who "have"
enjoy. This is a generality and obviously not fair to many, but it
seems that for those who have the least financial means consider price
to be the most significant factor in their decision making, even to
the point where they equate price with quality and utility. In other
words, it's easy to see even the cheapest commercial solution as
better than the open source solutions. People hate to compromise, and
if they go for open source just because it's cheaper, they won't
really ever get into it.
The only selling point that makes sense is flexibility and
empowerment. That is true whether you're selling to a Fortune 500
company in the USA or a 50 person sweat shop in sub-Saharan Africa.
Another thing to consider is the smaller a company gets the less
they'll be able to afford, and the more they'll need a package that is
already tailored to their needs. That is true even though
customization labour is cheaper in developing nations, or in other
words, the lower developer prices don't actually help that much to
solve the problems of smaller organizations.
What they REALLY need is a number of packages that are tailored to
their specific types of organizations. OFBiz may eventually get there
with various "specialpurpose" apps, but someone has to build them, and
chances are it isn't going to be the same people (or people in the
same organizations) that will use the apps.
In the open source world we can hopefully get more people (like many
involved in OFBiz) who are working for or with end-user organizations
that have a little more funding and that can sponsor functionality
that goes back into the open source project, and eventually get to the
point where it is within reach of these organizations in developing
countries. That's the path we're on now, as I see it.
A nice path with be a Ubuntu-like path with a benefactor like Mark
Shuttleworth. That would definitely push things along much more
quickly, and also increase the chances of it being useful for this
particular purpose. Interestingly related to your next comment, Mr.
Shuttleworth has strong connections in the area you mentioned for an
ApacheCon event.
Of course, it doesn't have to be him... it could be anyone with money
that is willing to sponsor design and development efforts. If we're
lucky someone in such a position will recognize that OFBiz is the ONLY
real community-driven ERP/CRM/ecommerce/etc project out there and that
it is already heading in the right direction.
If someone like that came along I'd be happy to go work full-time for
them! ;)
In the mean time, OFBiz survives on the backs of a bunch of people who
are skilled but not wealthy, and who contribute as much as they as
part of their day jobs that keep them alive, and the rest comes from
donations of personal time and effort. I'm not aware of anyone
involved in OFBiz who has no financial needs or concerns, perhaps some
more than others, but AFAIK we're all in a similar boat of working for
a living, and choosing to do so using tools that allow us to really
deliver what our customers/clients/etc need, and that just maybe will
make a real difference in the world too and make life better for lots
of people.
> Taking a stab in dark (or at least where this is still light), may I
> ask
> what the feasibility would be to host an ApacheCon in South Africa
> (Johannesburg) ?
You'd have to bring that up with the ASF Conference Committee (ConCom)
which does ApahceCon conferences, and who were generous and inclusive
enough to involve us in the New Orleans event, and have expressed that
we are very welcome to participate in other events (wherever we can
get enough people to present, etc).
-David
Re: Apachecon 2009
Posted by Wicus <wi...@webmail.co.za>.
For an Open Source type development, OFBiz is the answer to third world
Countries.
Poor currencies, with enormous exchange rates, makes Linux with OFBiz the
ultimate solution for developing nations.
Taking a stab in dark (or at least where this is still light), may I ask
what the feasibility would be to host an ApacheCon in South Africa
(Johannesburg) ?
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Re: Apachecon 2009
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
The participation at ApacheCon in New Orleans was a bit different than
what happens in most conferences, though in a way appropriate
considering OFBiz is a community-driven project.
The things we had to arrange for in order to get the OFBiz Symposium
at the conference going were:
1. speakers
2. sponsors
The thing that was totally unknown was the attendees. It turned out
that probably over 50% of the session attendees were also speakers,
hence my comments that it was appropriate given that OFBiz is so
community driven. Most of the people who attended did so in order to
present...
I went out on a limb telling the ConCom that we could muster enough
speakers for 14 presentations (2 full days, including evenings), but
it worked out fine. I was pretty confident we could given past OFBiz
User Conference participation.
In Europe I don't know what it would be like. I'd be comfortable
saying we could at least fill 1 full day given the people I'm aware of
in Europe, and perhaps even more than that.
It might be a little late now to organize something or ApacheCon 2009
in Amsterdam, but how about getting the conversation started so we can
be ready when the next one comes around?
On that note, please reply to this thread on the mailing list or
contact me directly if you would be interested in presenting at an
ApacheCon Europe. While we're at it, if anyone would be interested in
presenting at ApacheCon Asia please also speak up.
I know there is a LOT of activity in other parts of the world, and it
would be great to foster that as well as demonstrate it with this.
-David
On Jan 16, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Jeroen van der Wal wrote:
> I have not decided yet. Too bad there's nothing on OFBiz like in New
> Orleans.
>
> If more OFBiz enthousiast are visiting Amsterdam I can host a drink or
> meeting, our office is very close to the conference venue.
>
> -Jeroen
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Pierre Smits
> <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Who will be visiting Apachecon 2009 in Amsterdam?
>>
>> Details can be found here:
>> http://www.eu.apachecon.com/c/aceu2009/about/press
>>
Re: Apachecon 2009
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <jv...@stromboli.it>.
I have not decided yet. Too bad there's nothing on OFBiz like in New Orleans.
If more OFBiz enthousiast are visiting Amsterdam I can host a drink or
meeting, our office is very close to the conference venue.
-Jeroen
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who will be visiting Apachecon 2009 in Amsterdam?
>
> Details can be found here:
> http://www.eu.apachecon.com/c/aceu2009/about/press
>