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Suggestion to group
Hi all,
As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
[subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
TIA,
Adam
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Luke Imhoff <lu...@cray.com>.
Couldn't you just filter on the Recipient? That's how I do it in
Evolution.
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 13:45 -0800, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
>
> TIA,
>
> Adam
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
Thank you, Jonathan.
I couldn't have said it better.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 2:47 PM, Johnathan Gifford <jg...@wernervas.com> wrote:
> Are we done beating up the new guy for making a request? :-)
>
> He's only asking if it can be done. I'm sure he (like many of us) have already done one or more of the steps mentioned by those who have replied.
>
> However, the point is, most other mailing lists have gone forth and done what he is requesting. Some mailing lists related to this group like Subclipse and TortoiseSVN have done this already. Personally, I don't think adding [subversion-users] to the beginning of an e-mail subject line is to much to ask for. I know it would help with those few messages that someone only replied back to the user and ended up in another folder only to be found two days later. Besides, some of us are stuck with lousy corporate e-mail systems like Novell GroupWise. Having an easier way to even identify an e-mail visually from our list would be nice.
>
> The best responses to this posting should be concerning if you are in vocal minority or the majority in wanting this request as well? Bike shedding the 'how to do this' is not the best response as it doesn't have much to do with Subversion anyway.
>
> Johnathan
>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM, in message
> <c4...@mail.gmail.com>, "Adam Dymitruk"
>
> <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> > yup but this makes it even easier.
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 2:15 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> >> > it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
> >> > to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
> >> > that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
> >> > prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
> >>
> >> Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
> >> To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
> >> categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
> >> you subscribe to a list.
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> >> > > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> >> > > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> >> > > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
> >> > >
> >> > > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all
> > list
> >> > > members
> >> > >
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Erik Huelsmann <eh...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 21, 2008 11:47 PM, Johnathan Gifford <jg...@wernervas.com> wrote:
> Are we done beating up the new guy for making a request? :-)
>
> He's only asking if it can be done. I'm sure he (like many of us) have already done one or more of the steps mentioned by those who have replied.
>
> However, the point is, most other mailing lists have gone forth and done what he is requesting. Some mailing lists related to this group like Subclipse and TortoiseSVN have done this already. Personally, I don't think adding [subversion-users] to the beginning of an e-mail subject line is to much to ask for. I know it would help with those few messages that someone only replied back to the user and ended up in another folder only to be found two days later. Besides, some of us are stuck with lousy corporate e-mail systems like Novell GroupWise. Having an easier way to even identify an e-mail visually from our list would be nice.
Well, in that case, this issue has been discussed to death before and
the answer was 'no' (and as far as I'm concerned still is): Some have
crappy corporate systems which don't allow filtering, others don't
have large screens (braille readers!), meaning that the
'[subversion-users]' string takes 17 out of 80 characters available to
them (which is 20%). Also, a descriptive subject adds more value to
the reader than the prefix string.
> The best responses to this posting should be concerning if you are in vocal minority or the majority in wanting this request as well? Bike shedding the 'how to do this' is not the best response as it doesn't have much to do with Subversion anyway.
bye,
Erik.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
On the lists with the prefix, I don't see anyone asking for them to be
taken out. I've seen them asked for before. So that's why I made the
suggestion.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 8:05 PM, Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com> wrote:
> "Johnathan Gifford" <jg...@wernervas.com> writes:
> > Are we done beating up the new guy for making a request? :-)
> >
> > He's only asking if it can be done. I'm sure he (like many of us)
> > have already done one or more of the steps mentioned by those who have
> > replied.
> >
> > However, the point is, most other mailing lists have gone forth and
> > done what he is requesting. Some mailing lists related to this group
> > like Subclipse and TortoiseSVN have done this already. Personally, I
> > don't think adding [subversion-users] to the beginning of an e-mail
> > subject line is to much to ask for. I know it would help with those
> > few messages that someone only replied back to the user and ended up
> > in another folder only to be found two days later. Besides, some of
> > us are stuck with lousy corporate e-mail systems like Novell
> > GroupWise. Having an easier way to even identify an e-mail visually
> > from our list would be nice.
> >
> > The best responses to this posting should be concerning if you are in
> > vocal minority or the majority in wanting this request as well? Bike
> > shedding the 'how to do this' is not the best response as it doesn't
> > have much to do with Subversion anyway.
>
> Everyone agrees that it can be done, technically. But the list
> managers (I am one, but not the only one) have decided not to do it,
> because
>
> a) it would eat up a lot of valuable space in the subject line
> b) the necessary information is already present in other headers
> c) all modern mailreaders know how to use the information in (b)
>
> This issue has been discussed many times, but the three reasons given
> above remain convincing to me.
>
> I know you think it would be a nice way to visually identify the
> email, but the point is that you can have that (by having your
> mailreader add the prefix, if you really want it, based on the other
> headers) *without* us imposing it on the other list users.
>
> Information in a subject header cannot be removed by a client
> mailreader without loss of information; but a client can add anything
> it wants, because the user (presumably) knows if the client is doing
> that.
>
> I'm not really recommending that you add any text to the subject
> header, of course. A better solution would probably be for you to
> filter (based on those other headers) into a particular mail folder.
> I'm just pointing out that you *could* add the text yourself if you
> wanted to, without the mailing list having to do it for all users.
>
> Phrases like "too much to ask" don't really get at the heart of the
> matter. For example, if the list were to add the prefix, as you
> advocate, I could just as easily post saying "Is it too much to ask
> that this list not munge subject lines and take away valuable real
> estate?" :-)
>
> Best,
> -Karl
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Robert Blair <sv...@listemail.net>.
** Reply to message from "Adam Dymitruk" <ad...@gmail.com> on Mon, 21 Jan
2008 21:14:41 -0800
> another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
> up to go to the poster instead of the list.
Yes, especially since it seems most people want the reply to be posted to the
list. I see many posts saying to click reply-all, which, from my point of view
is the worst option ever added to an email client. Adding the "Reply-To"
header would fix that.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Matjaz <ma...@gmail.com>.
Trond.Huso@ntb.no wrote:
> I think it is a good idea to add a subject-tag as it would be easier to filter on the subject even if someone one day decided to change the mailaddress. (that is: not users@subversion.tigris.org but e.g. svn-users@svn.togris.org)
>
There you go! We've got a reason - a possible change of list address.
> The suggested subjecttag is to long, but this can easily be fixed by calling it [svnu] (six characters).
> Also: sometimes users reply to the list and also to the one who replied. Those messages does not end up in the subversion folder, but in an already filled up and hectic inbox...
>
If your rule filters messages sent to certain address, it will filter
the messages even in the case of additional recepients.
Can we please stop now? The admins said no - like it or not.
Matjaz
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Tr...@ntb.no.
Since this thread has been going on for ages (even though it has been debated that there shall not be a [subversion-users] tag to the subjectline, And I had told myself not to engage my self in the matter, I found that I had some thoughts I wanted to share with the list.
I think it is a good idea to add a subject-tag as it would be easier to filter on the subject even if someone one day decided to change the mailaddress. (that is: not users@subversion.tigris.org but e.g. svn-users@svn.togris.org)
The suggested subjecttag is to long, but this can easily be fixed by calling it [svnu] (six characters).
Also: sometimes users reply to the list and also to the one who replied. Those messages does not end up in the subversion folder, but in an already filled up and hectic inbox...
This issue is not of great importance to me. I have filtered the messages from this list to end up in a subversion folder in (caugh) outlook.
Best
Trond
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Matthew Hannigan <ml...@zip.com.au>.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 03:46:32PM -0500, Karl Fogel wrote:
> Steve Sisak <sg...@codewell.com> writes:
> > I wasn't going to add to this thread either, but since you mentioned
> > it, this list has list-help, list-unsubscribe, and list-post, headers,
> > but is missing List-Id: which is what most clients automatically
> > filter on.
> >
> > See RFC 2919 <http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html>
> >
> > While I wouldn't want to clutter the subject line, is there any chance
> > of getting the server to add a List-Id header to aid in automatic
> > filtering?
>
> Yes, in fact I thought we had that header and am surprised we don't.
> I'll forward your suggestion to the tigris.org admins.
>
> -Karl
While you're at it, could you please make the existing ones
start with uppercase? At the moment they're lower case 'l'.
e.g. list-help: <ma...@subversion.tigris.org>
This is unlike any other mail headers I've seen and
may cause problems for some more naive filters.
Matt
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Steve Sisak <sg...@codewell.com> writes:
> I wasn't going to add to this thread either, but since you mentioned
> it, this list has list-help, list-unsubscribe, and list-post, headers,
> but is missing List-Id: which is what most clients automatically
> filter on.
>
> See RFC 2919 <http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html>
>
> While I wouldn't want to clutter the subject line, is there any chance
> of getting the server to add a List-Id header to aid in automatic
> filtering?
Yes, in fact I thought we had that header and am surprised we don't.
I'll forward your suggestion to the tigris.org admins.
-Karl
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Steve Sisak <sg...@codewell.com>.
At 5:44 PM +0000 1/22/08, Sean Johnston wrote:
>Indeed. There's a whole bunch of list* header fields that could be
>included as well. I discovered gmail recognises listid and will use
>that if present when setting up a filter for 'messages like this'.
I wasn't going to add to this thread either, but since you mentioned
it, this list has list-help, list-unsubscribe, and list-post,
headers, but is missing List-Id: which is what most clients
automatically filter on.
See RFC 2919 <http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2919.html>
While I wouldn't want to clutter the subject line, is there any
chance of getting the server to add a List-Id header to aid in
automatic filtering?
-Steve
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Sean Johnston <sh...@conical-effort.net>.
On Jan 22, 2008 5:13 PM, Troy Bull <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
> > up to go to the poster instead of the list.
>
> I agree with this one.
>
Indeed. There's a whole bunch of list* header fields that could be included
as well. I discovered gmail recognises listid and will use that if present
when setting up a filter for 'messages like this'.
Sean.
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Matt Pounsett <ma...@conundrum.com>.
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> All my conversations that I'm having today should be in my inbox. I do
> not want to click through 15 folders to see if there was something
> there for me. I could put in yet another filter to not move messages
> that have my address in them. But now that's getting too heavy a set
> up. Subject line prefix works best for me. If it's not there, I guess
> I'll have to tag them...
What you want is something along these lines (note, this is untested):
:0fc
* ^Delivered-To:.*users@subversion.tigris.org
| formail -i "Subject: [svn-users] `formail -xSubject:`"
I don't really care one way or the other what the subject line of the
mailing list is... but can we please end this thread now?
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com>.
All my conversations that I'm having today should be in my inbox. I do
not want to click through 15 folders to see if there was something
there for me. I could put in yet another filter to not move messages
that have my address in them. But now that's getting too heavy a set
up. Subject line prefix works best for me. If it's not there, I guess
I'll have to tag them...
Adam
On Jan 22, 2008 12:51 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 January 2008 15:48:28 Les Mikesell wrote:
> > I certainly don't want to deal with procmail every
> > time I change a list subscription (even if it could do something I
> > wanted done...).
>
> fwiw, there are plenty of recipes for procmail that only need setup once and
> then never touched again. I use such a setup. It automagically figures out
> which list an email belongs to even if it's never seen that list before and
> creates/stores it in the appropriate list folder
>
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net>.
On Tuesday 22 January 2008 15:48:28 Les Mikesell wrote:
> I certainly don't want to deal with procmail every
> time I change a list subscription (even if it could do something I
> wanted done...).
fwiw, there are plenty of recipes for procmail that only need setup once and
then never touched again. I use such a setup. It automagically figures out
which list an email belongs to even if it's never seen that list before and
creates/stores it in the appropriate list folder
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Troy Bull wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 12:26 PM, Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Troy Bull wrote:
>>> I couldn't disagree more. When I subscribe to a list, when an email
>>> arrives in my inbox, I click it, select filter messages like these,
>>> add a colored label and have it skip my inbox.
>> If it isn't in your inbox, don't you then have to make an extra effort
>> every time a message arrives to go to its now hidden location?
>
> No, in fact the extra effort would be if it were left in my inbox. I
> have a list of labels each having a count of unread messages. If I
> want to read about subversion I click on "Subversion" and I am off and
> running.
I don't understand. You just described doing something extra (compared
to leaving an inbox open) to go find this message but you say it isn't
something extra.
> If I
> see something in my inbox it is to ME, from someone of importance (not
> that subversion mail isnt important). I can quickly see exactly what
> I am looking for this way.
Messages that aren't to mail lists go to different accounts. I have no
particular reason to 'want to read' messages sent to one
computer-application-related list vs. another most of the time - I just
want to see what came in recently.
> It allows me to prefilter messages via computer. Before I manually
> filter them with my mind picking out good ones. If I know "this group
> is all svn" then it is easier for me to apply my mental heuristics
> about willingness to spend my time reading.
I can't even parse that. I have messages coming in - I
read/answer/delete all the same whether they were about subversion or
some other quirky tool. I'd just like a visible hint about what each
message is about for the frequent cases where the subject line is not
very specific.
>>> Takes about 2 seconds,
>>> and doesn't waste 1/3rd of the subject line with worthless
>>> information.
>> But now you need to waste the screen space for folder navigation - and
> No space is wasted.
How do you find a folder or know it has messages if you haven't taken
screen space to display its name and unread message count?
>> you are tied to some particular mail client in some particular location
>> where you made these tweaks. I read from several different
>
> No i am not.
How would your client side filter you set up under Linux/evolution help
you if you are reading from Thunderbird/Mac?
>> locations/platforms/clients and although they all see the same imap
>> folders it would be painful to keep any client-side filtering rules in sync.
>
> I filter server side, not client side. You can do this too, with
> either gmail or procmail.
But I don't want to use gmail's web interface unless I'm searching for
something old, and I certainly don't want to deal with procmail every
time I change a list subscription (even if it could do something I
wanted done...).
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Matthew Hannigan <ml...@zip.com.au>.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 01:20:42PM -0600, Troy Bull wrote:
>
> I filter server side, not client side. You can do this too, with
> either gmail or procmail.
I'm weakly for a [header] but I'm not bothered about it.
It's worth mentioning that webmail such as gmail is blocked
from many businesses these days.
procmail is poo too.
I initially dump all my mailing list mail into a single
mailbox with mutt.
For lower volume mailing lists, [header] is good,
but svn users is big enough that I filter it
again into another mailbox.
Matt
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Troy Bull <tr...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 22, 2008 12:26 PM, Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Troy Bull wrote:
> >
> > I couldn't disagree more. When I subscribe to a list, when an email
> > arrives in my inbox, I click it, select filter messages like these,
> > add a colored label and have it skip my inbox.
>
> If it isn't in your inbox, don't you then have to make an extra effort
> every time a message arrives to go to its now hidden location?
No, in fact the extra effort would be if it were left in my inbox. I
have a list of labels each having a count of unread messages. If I
want to read about subversion I click on "Subversion" and I am off and
running. I have many mailing lists coming in to this account, it
would be unwieldy to have them all munged together in one box. If I
see something in my inbox it is to ME, from someone of importance (not
that subversion mail isnt important). I can quickly see exactly what
I am looking for this way.
It allows me to prefilter messages via computer. Before I manually
filter them with my mind picking out good ones. If I know "this group
is all svn" then it is easier for me to apply my mental heuristics
about willingness to spend my time reading.
>
> > Takes about 2 seconds,
> > and doesn't waste 1/3rd of the subject line with worthless
> > information.
>
> But now you need to waste the screen space for folder navigation - and
No space is wasted.
> you are tied to some particular mail client in some particular location
> where you made these tweaks. I read from several different
No i am not.
> locations/platforms/clients and although they all see the same imap
> folders it would be painful to keep any client-side filtering rules in sync.
I filter server side, not client side. You can do this too, with
either gmail or procmail.
>
> >> another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
> >> up to go to the poster instead of the list.
> >
> > I agree with this one.
>
> Yes, this is another one where I see complaints on the lists that don't
> add the reply-to:, either about getting duplicate messages in a
> 'private' mailbox because people are forced to 'reply-all' just to get a
> message back to the list, or because conversations drift off-list
> accidentally when someone doesn't reply-all. And I've never seen a
> complaint about the lists that force the default back to the list
> address. I could see that might be a problem if the list topic were
> about personal issues, but for technical lists it makes sense to
> encourage public replies.
>
> --
>
> Les Mikesell
> lesmikesell@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Troy Bull wrote:
>
> I couldn't disagree more. When I subscribe to a list, when an email
> arrives in my inbox, I click it, select filter messages like these,
> add a colored label and have it skip my inbox.
If it isn't in your inbox, don't you then have to make an extra effort
every time a message arrives to go to its now hidden location?
> Takes about 2 seconds,
> and doesn't waste 1/3rd of the subject line with worthless
> information.
But now you need to waste the screen space for folder navigation - and
you are tied to some particular mail client in some particular location
where you made these tweaks. I read from several different
locations/platforms/clients and although they all see the same imap
folders it would be painful to keep any client-side filtering rules in sync.
>> another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
>> up to go to the poster instead of the list.
>
> I agree with this one.
Yes, this is another one where I see complaints on the lists that don't
add the reply-to:, either about getting duplicate messages in a
'private' mailbox because people are forced to 'reply-all' just to get a
message back to the list, or because conversations drift off-list
accidentally when someone doesn't reply-all. And I've never seen a
complaint about the lists that force the default back to the list
address. I could see that might be a problem if the list topic were
about personal issues, but for technical lists it makes sense to
encourage public replies.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Troy Bull <tr...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 21, 2008 11:14 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> as more and more people get gmail accounts specifically for managing
> their subscriptions, you'll see this asked for more frequently. It
> works out of the box if they're provided. No fiddling with filters,
> folders, etc.
>
I couldn't disagree more. When I subscribe to a list, when an email
arrives in my inbox, I click it, select filter messages like these,
add a colored label and have it skip my inbox. Takes about 2 seconds,
and doesn't waste 1/3rd of the subject line with worthless
information.
I vote no.
> another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
> up to go to the poster instead of the list.
I agree with this one.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Troy,
Case in point for changing the reply-to. lol!
I'll give it the rest of the day. The quality of discussion will
determine whether I stay - not whether the subject line gets up to
speed with other forums. Currently, 90% in favour of pulling the plug.
I hope my sentiments are not representatives of a significant
percentage of the list members.
Cheers,
Adam
On Jan 22, 2008 11:43 AM, Troy Bull <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 1:38 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Adam,
> > >
> > > The below was your 14th message posted to this thread. Please, let's
> > > leave it alone now. We've heard your opinion, but the list
> > > configuration is not going to be changed. No Subject prefix will be
> > > added, for the reasons Karl Fogel (a Subversion developers and an
> > > admin of this list) explained. No Reply-To headers will be changed,
> > > for the reasons explained in the Subversion FAQ. End of discussion.
> >
> > It seems the discussion is ended for me and not by me.
> >
>
>
> That must have been off list? That is to bad, I personally think you
> should give up on the idea of messing with the subject (because I dont
> want it). But I would have let you talk about it until it resolved of
> its own momentum. It, after all, takes 2 people to talk, and you were
> clearly not "talking to yourself" so others were interested in if
> nothing else trying to convince you of the err of your ways. Either
> way, I dont think you should leave the list.
>
> Troy
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
> Adam,
>
> The below was your 14th message posted to this thread. Please, let's
> leave it alone now. We've heard your opinion, but the list
> configuration is not going to be changed. No Subject prefix will be
> added, for the reasons Karl Fogel (a Subversion developers and an
> admin of this list) explained. No Reply-To headers will be changed,
> for the reasons explained in the Subversion FAQ. End of discussion.
It seems the discussion is ended for me and not by me.
Adam
On Jan 22, 2008 11:37 AM, Troy Bull <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 1:26 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You want me to be quiet? Is this the type of list this is? Fine.
> > Discuss it amongst yourselves. I'll be googling around for answers
> > instead. Consider me unsubscribed as of later today.
> >
> > bye,
> >
> > Adam
>
> What is this Jr. High?
>
> I don't think anyone told you to be quiet, or to leave. They did by
> way of the FAQ or whatever it is called, ask you not to top-post.
>
> Troy
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Troy Bull <tr...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 22, 2008 1:26 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You want me to be quiet? Is this the type of list this is? Fine.
> Discuss it amongst yourselves. I'll be googling around for answers
> instead. Consider me unsubscribed as of later today.
>
> bye,
>
> Adam
What is this Jr. High?
I don't think anyone told you to be quiet, or to leave. They did by
way of the FAQ or whatever it is called, ask you not to top-post.
Troy
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Matjaz <mc...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 22, 2008 6:51 AM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The point is you are setting something up. If the forum was set up to
> have a prefix, there is nothing to setup. You subscribe and that's it.
Reading this thread (37 messages and counting) probably took more time
than to set up rules for all my subscriptions (and there are many).
The point is: the information is there. You really can't expect the
server to duplicate the information just because it's more convenient
for you. This is a job for the client and you can't expect the server
to fill in for the client. I understand that current clients including
GMail do not allow editing the subject line (and even if it did, this
would require people to create rules/filter), but that's the way it
is."Other groups do it" is not good enough an argument for me, sorry.
Matjaz
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
You want me to be quiet? Is this the type of list this is? Fine.
Discuss it amongst yourselves. I'll be googling around for answers
instead. Consider me unsubscribed as of later today.
bye,
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 10:23 PM, Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com> wrote:
> Adam,
>
> The below was your 14th message posted to this thread. Please, let's
> leave it alone now. We've heard your opinion, but the list
> configuration is not going to be changed. No Subject prefix will be
> added, for the reasons Karl Fogel (a Subversion developers and an
> admin of this list) explained. No Reply-To headers will be changed,
> for the reasons explained in the Subversion FAQ. End of discussion.
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008, at 23:51, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
>
> > The point is you are setting something up. If the forum was set up to
> > have a prefix, there is nothing to setup. You subscribe and that's it.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 9:37 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not getting it. I don't see how it's any harder to set up a
> >> GMail
> >> filter searching for:
> >>
> >> "Has the words:" users@subversion.tigris.org
> >>
> >> versus
> >>
> >> "Subject:" [subversion-users]
> >>
> >> It's almost the same number of key strokes and mouse clicks.
> >>
> >> pc
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 21, 2008 9:27 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of people
> >>> that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
> >>> them, it would make it easier.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Adam
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
> >>>> about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
> >>>> rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a
> >>>> filter
> >>>> that's going to last for a while.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Various people have claimed that no one would object if we
> >>>>> added the
> >>>>> list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact,
> >>>>> several
> >>>>> people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> >>>>> object.
>
>
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RE: Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Giulio Troccoli <Gi...@uk.linedata.com>.
I really can't believe this discussion went on for so long, but I'm glad
the prefix is NOT there and will NOT be added. Just my 2p.
Giulio
>
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> From: Ryan Schmidt [mailto:subversion-2007b@ryandesign.com]
> Sent: 22 January 2008 06:24
> To: Adam Dymitruk
> Cc: Peter Connolly; Karl Fogel; users@subversion.tigris.org
> Subject: Re: Suggestion to group
>
> Adam,
>
> The below was your 14th message posted to this thread. Please, let's
> leave it alone now. We've heard your opinion, but the list
> configuration is not going to be changed. No Subject prefix will be
> added, for the reasons Karl Fogel (a Subversion developers and an
> admin of this list) explained. No Reply-To headers will be changed,
> for the reasons explained in the Subversion FAQ. End of discussion.
>
> On Jan 21, 2008, at 23:51, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
>
> > The point is you are setting something up. If the forum was set up
to
> > have a prefix, there is nothing to setup. You subscribe and that's
it.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 9:37 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> I'm not getting it. I don't see how it's any harder to set up a
> >> GMail
> >> filter searching for:
> >>
> >> "Has the words:" users@subversion.tigris.org
> >>
> >> versus
> >>
> >> "Subject:" [subversion-users]
> >>
> >> It's almost the same number of key strokes and mouse clicks.
> >>
> >> pc
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 21, 2008 9:27 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of
people
> >>> that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
> >>> them, it would make it easier.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Adam
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
> >>>> about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
> >>>> rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a
> >>>> filter
> >>>> that's going to last for a while.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Various people have claimed that no one would object if we
> >>>>> added the
> >>>>> list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact,
> >>>>> several
> >>>>> people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they
would
> >>>>> object.
>
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
Adam,
The below was your 14th message posted to this thread. Please, let's
leave it alone now. We've heard your opinion, but the list
configuration is not going to be changed. No Subject prefix will be
added, for the reasons Karl Fogel (a Subversion developers and an
admin of this list) explained. No Reply-To headers will be changed,
for the reasons explained in the Subversion FAQ. End of discussion.
On Jan 21, 2008, at 23:51, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> The point is you are setting something up. If the forum was set up to
> have a prefix, there is nothing to setup. You subscribe and that's it.
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 9:37 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm not getting it. I don't see how it's any harder to set up a
>> GMail
>> filter searching for:
>>
>> "Has the words:" users@subversion.tigris.org
>>
>> versus
>>
>> "Subject:" [subversion-users]
>>
>> It's almost the same number of key strokes and mouse clicks.
>>
>> pc
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2008 9:27 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of people
>>> that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
>>> them, it would make it easier.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
>>>> about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
>>>> rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a
>>>> filter
>>>> that's going to last for a while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Various people have claimed that no one would object if we
>>>>> added the
>>>>> list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact,
>>>>> several
>>>>> people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
>>>>> object.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
The point is you are setting something up. If the forum was set up to
have a prefix, there is nothing to setup. You subscribe and that's it.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 9:37 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not getting it. I don't see how it's any harder to set up a GMail
> filter searching for:
>
> "Has the words:" users@subversion.tigris.org
>
> versus
>
> "Subject:" [subversion-users]
>
> It's almost the same number of key strokes and mouse clicks.
>
> pc
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 9:27 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of people
> > that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
> > them, it would make it easier.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
> > > about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
> > > rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a filter
> > > that's going to last for a while.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
> > > > list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
> > > > people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> > > > object.
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Nick Gilbert wrote:
> > What if you don't want anything filtered - you just want to look at
> your new messages
> > all at once and know what list each message is associated with?
>
> Sorry but that's just a ridiculously stupid thing to propose on this list!
>
> I guess you also think it's a good idea to just put ALL our files into
> the same folder but prefix every file with the project name?
No, but I might if several new files that I wanted to see showed up
every minute.
> You HAVE to organise mailing lists into different folders if you're on
> more than one or two lists and doing this using the existing headers is
> VERY VERY EASY and takes only a few seconds per mailing list when you
> first sign up.
No you don't. On the rare occasion that I only want to see one list at
at time, my mail clients can filter the subject lines of at least the
ones that politely identify themselves more or less instantly. Normally
what I want to see are the most recent unread messages though, and I
don't want to hop around in different folders to find them.
> I don't see why so many people in this thread have such an issue with
> organising stuff when they're using *subversion*!
It's not that I couldn't isolate things where I can't easily see them,
it is that I prefer not to.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
Nick Gilbert <ni...@x-rm.com> writes:
> I guess you also think it's a good idea to just put ALL our files into
> the same folder but prefix every file with the project name?
> In fact why don't we have just one massive subversion repository for
> all of us!
>
> You HAVE to organise mailing lists into different folders if you're on
> more than one or two lists and doing this using the existing headers
> is VERY VERY EASY and takes only a few seconds per mailing list when
> you first sign up.
>
> I don't see why so many people in this thread have such an issue with
> organising stuff when they're using *subversion*!
I should stay out of this thread, but I can't resist here... :-)
Although I'm against adding the prefix to the subject line, I'd like
to point out that at least one major contributor to Subversion (Greg
Stein, who wrote the first networking layer and much else, and was
instrumental in getting us to 1.0) reads all his mail in one big
folder, just as it comes in, with no filtering into subfolders.
He's very responsive to email, and I've never noticed him having a
problem managing his inbox.
I'd go crazy if I tried to read mail the way he does, though.
The lesson I take away from this is that everybody does things
differently, and that's fine :-). It's just that in this particular
case, anything anyone might want to do can be done entirely on the
client side, since all the necessary information is in the headers,
and that way we don't take valuable subject-line real estate away from
posters and readers who would prefer to have the maximum available
space.
Can't believe I posted again, have a nice day everyone! :-)
-Karl
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Nick Gilbert <ni...@x-rm.com>.
> What if you don't want anything filtered - you just want to look at
your new messages
> all at once and know what list each message is associated with?
Sorry but that's just a ridiculously stupid thing to propose on this list!
I guess you also think it's a good idea to just put ALL our files into
the same folder but prefix every file with the project name?
In fact why don't we have just one massive subversion repository for all
of us!
You HAVE to organise mailing lists into different folders if you're on
more than one or two lists and doing this using the existing headers is
VERY VERY EASY and takes only a few seconds per mailing list when you
first sign up.
I don't see why so many people in this thread have such an issue with
organising stuff when they're using *subversion*!
Nick...
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Peter Connolly wrote:
> I'm not getting it. I don't see how it's any harder to set up a GMail
> filter searching for:
>
> "Has the words:" users@subversion.tigris.org
>
> versus
>
> "Subject:" [subversion-users]
>
> It's almost the same number of key strokes and mouse clicks.
What if you don't want anything filtered - you just want to look at your
new messages all at once and know what list each message is associated with?
--
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>.
I'm not getting it. I don't see how it's any harder to set up a GMail
filter searching for:
"Has the words:" users@subversion.tigris.org
versus
"Subject:" [subversion-users]
It's almost the same number of key strokes and mouse clicks.
pc
On Jan 21, 2008 9:27 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of people
> that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
> them, it would make it easier.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
> > about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
> > rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a filter
> > that's going to last for a while.
> >
> >
> > > Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
> > > list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
> > > people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> > > object.
> >
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 22, 2008 12:27 AM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of people
> that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
> them, it would make it easier.
Please don't speak for me. You'll note that the address I use here is
GMail. I like the present setup just fine. I have a filter & label set
up for this and many other lists. Keeping the [] "tag" out of the
subject line is not a problem for me; in fact, NOT having it is
easier, as it lets me keep my browser window narrower without losing
as much of the subject line, and the labels I set up take care of the
identification aspect.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
I don't think it's too small of a use case. There's plenty of people
that I know that have set up a gmail account for group reading. To
them, it would make it easier.
Cheers,
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
> about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
> rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a filter
> that's going to last for a while.
>
>
> > Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
> > list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
> > people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> > object.
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Robert Blair <sv...@listemail.net>.
** Reply to message from "Adam Dymitruk" <ad...@gmail.com> on Mon, 21 Jan
2008 21:24:37 -0800
> I guess the others have chosen to modify the reply-to.
OK as per <http://subversion.tigris.org/mailing-list-guidelines.html#reply-to>
I have set my email client to add the "Reply-To: users@subversion.tigris.org"
for all messages I send to this mailing list. Now if everyone else did it
there would not be a problem with replies going to the poster instead of the
list but it would be much easier if the list set the "Reply-To" for everyone.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, Karl.
I guess the others have chosen to modify the reply-to.
Cheers,
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 9:19 PM, Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com> wrote:
> "Adam Dymitruk" <ad...@gmail.com> writes:
> > as more and more people get gmail accounts specifically for managing
> > their subscriptions, you'll see this asked for more frequently. It
> > works out of the box if they're provided. No fiddling with filters,
> > folders, etc.
>
> Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
> list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
> people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> object.
>
> (It may be that more people would prefer the prefix than would oppose
> it, but see some of the reply-to header documents referred to below
> for why counting heads does not necessarily lead to the best answer.)
>
> > another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
> > up to go to the poster instead of the list.
>
> http://subversion.tigris.org/mailing-list-guidelines.html#reply-to
>
> Best,
> -Karl
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
Not too rapidly.. but enough that it's annoying.
On Jan 21, 2008 9:23 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
> about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
> rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a filter
> that's going to last for a while.
>
>
> > Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
> > list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
> > people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> > object.
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>.
The maillist is fine the way it is. The use case Adam is talking
about only pertains to the very small percentage of people that
rapidly add and delete maillists. Everyone else can set up a filter
that's going to last for a while.
> Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
> list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
> people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
> object.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"Adam Dymitruk" <ad...@gmail.com> writes:
> as more and more people get gmail accounts specifically for managing
> their subscriptions, you'll see this asked for more frequently. It
> works out of the box if they're provided. No fiddling with filters,
> folders, etc.
Various people have claimed that no one would object if we added the
list prefix to the subject-line. This isn't true: in fact, several
people have already followed up *in this thread* saying they would
object.
(It may be that more people would prefer the prefix than would oppose
it, but see some of the reply-to header documents referred to below
for why counting heads does not necessarily lead to the best answer.)
> another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
> up to go to the poster instead of the list.
http://subversion.tigris.org/mailing-list-guidelines.html#reply-to
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
as more and more people get gmail accounts specifically for managing
their subscriptions, you'll see this asked for more frequently. It
works out of the box if they're provided. No fiddling with filters,
folders, etc.
another annoyance is the fact that when replying, the message is set
up to go to the poster instead of the list.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 8:36 PM, Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Karl Fogel wrote:
> >
> > I know you think it would be a nice way to visually identify the
> > email,
>
> He's not guessing here. It is nice for the large number of other lists
> that provide the feature.
>
> > I'm not really recommending that you add any text to the subject
> > header, of course. A better solution would probably be for you to
> > filter (based on those other headers) into a particular mail folder.
>
> I'd prefer not to have to visit a separate folder for every different
> email list. Fortunately, since most of the other lists I use do provide
> the tags I can just assume the subjects lines that don't make any sense
> are either svn or fedora related.
>
> > I'm just pointing out that you *could* add the text yourself if you
> > wanted to, without the mailing list having to do it for all users.
>
> If someone adds the text it will probably come back in their replies and
> be re-added in different variations by every subsequent reply. That
> doesn't sound like s desirable situation.
>
> > Phrases like "too much to ask" don't really get at the heart of the
> > matter. For example, if the list were to add the prefix, as you
> > advocate, I could just as easily post saying "Is it too much to ask
> > that this list not munge subject lines and take away valuable real
> > estate?" :-)
>
> Yes, it is the list owner's preference, so why bother pretending
> anything else is involved? Just say you like it that way.
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Karl Fogel wrote:
>
> I know you think it would be a nice way to visually identify the
> email,
He's not guessing here. It is nice for the large number of other lists
that provide the feature.
> I'm not really recommending that you add any text to the subject
> header, of course. A better solution would probably be for you to
> filter (based on those other headers) into a particular mail folder.
I'd prefer not to have to visit a separate folder for every different
email list. Fortunately, since most of the other lists I use do provide
the tags I can just assume the subjects lines that don't make any sense
are either svn or fedora related.
> I'm just pointing out that you *could* add the text yourself if you
> wanted to, without the mailing list having to do it for all users.
If someone adds the text it will probably come back in their replies and
be re-added in different variations by every subsequent reply. That
doesn't sound like s desirable situation.
> Phrases like "too much to ask" don't really get at the heart of the
> matter. For example, if the list were to add the prefix, as you
> advocate, I could just as easily post saying "Is it too much to ask
> that this list not munge subject lines and take away valuable real
> estate?" :-)
Yes, it is the list owner's preference, so why bother pretending
anything else is involved? Just say you like it that way.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Karl Fogel <kf...@red-bean.com>.
"Johnathan Gifford" <jg...@wernervas.com> writes:
> Are we done beating up the new guy for making a request? :-)
>
> He's only asking if it can be done. I'm sure he (like many of us)
> have already done one or more of the steps mentioned by those who have
> replied.
>
> However, the point is, most other mailing lists have gone forth and
> done what he is requesting. Some mailing lists related to this group
> like Subclipse and TortoiseSVN have done this already. Personally, I
> don't think adding [subversion-users] to the beginning of an e-mail
> subject line is to much to ask for. I know it would help with those
> few messages that someone only replied back to the user and ended up
> in another folder only to be found two days later. Besides, some of
> us are stuck with lousy corporate e-mail systems like Novell
> GroupWise. Having an easier way to even identify an e-mail visually
> from our list would be nice.
>
> The best responses to this posting should be concerning if you are in
> vocal minority or the majority in wanting this request as well? Bike
> shedding the 'how to do this' is not the best response as it doesn't
> have much to do with Subversion anyway.
Everyone agrees that it can be done, technically. But the list
managers (I am one, but not the only one) have decided not to do it,
because
a) it would eat up a lot of valuable space in the subject line
b) the necessary information is already present in other headers
c) all modern mailreaders know how to use the information in (b)
This issue has been discussed many times, but the three reasons given
above remain convincing to me.
I know you think it would be a nice way to visually identify the
email, but the point is that you can have that (by having your
mailreader add the prefix, if you really want it, based on the other
headers) *without* us imposing it on the other list users.
Information in a subject header cannot be removed by a client
mailreader without loss of information; but a client can add anything
it wants, because the user (presumably) knows if the client is doing
that.
I'm not really recommending that you add any text to the subject
header, of course. A better solution would probably be for you to
filter (based on those other headers) into a particular mail folder.
I'm just pointing out that you *could* add the text yourself if you
wanted to, without the mailing list having to do it for all users.
Phrases like "too much to ask" don't really get at the heart of the
matter. For example, if the list were to add the prefix, as you
advocate, I could just as easily post saying "Is it too much to ask
that this list not munge subject lines and take away valuable real
estate?" :-)
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Johnathan Gifford <jg...@wernervas.com>.
Are we done beating up the new guy for making a request? :-)
He's only asking if it can be done. I'm sure he (like many of us) have already done one or more of the steps mentioned by those who have replied.
However, the point is, most other mailing lists have gone forth and done what he is requesting. Some mailing lists related to this group like Subclipse and TortoiseSVN have done this already. Personally, I don't think adding [subversion-users] to the beginning of an e-mail subject line is to much to ask for. I know it would help with those few messages that someone only replied back to the user and ended up in another folder only to be found two days later. Besides, some of us are stuck with lousy corporate e-mail systems like Novell GroupWise. Having an easier way to even identify an e-mail visually from our list would be nice.
The best responses to this posting should be concerning if you are in vocal minority or the majority in wanting this request as well? Bike shedding the 'how to do this' is not the best response as it doesn't have much to do with Subversion anyway.
Johnathan
>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 4:29 PM, in message
<c4...@mail.gmail.com>, "Adam Dymitruk"
<ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> yup but this makes it even easier.
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 2:15 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
>> > it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
>> > to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
>> > that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
>> > prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
>>
>> Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
>> To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
>> categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
>> you subscribe to a list.
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
>> > > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
>> > > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
>> > > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
>> > >
>> > > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all
> list
>> > > members
>> > >
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com>.
yup but this makes it even easier.
On Jan 21, 2008 2:15 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> > it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
> > to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
> > that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
> > prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
>
> Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
> To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
> categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
> you subscribe to a list.
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> > > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> > > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
> > >
> > > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
> > > members
> > >
> > > --
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Matjaz <mc...@gmail.com>.
Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> this makes it even easier. You can look at your inbox and recognize it
> immediately. Gmail does a nice threading thing too. Then there is no
> need to set up anything by anyone.
Some threads on this list get lots of replies. Some email clients prefix
subject lines with a localized version of "Re", which means those "Re"'s
get added more that once. A lot of people use clients (like Thunderbird)
that indent messages in threads to see who's replied to who. And a lot
of people use 15.4 screen laptops. You can easily run out of space for a
subject line if you tag every message with a 17 character prefix.
I really don't understand what the problem is here. You're saying you
subscribe to a lot of mailing lists. Now, you're obviously here to stay.
So why not setup a filter in GMail that tags the message and moves it to
archive? How can this be more inconvenient that having lots of emails
from this high-volume list clutter your inbox and be lost between
hundreds of other messages?
You've got all the info you need, you just need to find your way of
organizing it without having the data - group name - duplicated.
Matjaz
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
Agreed.
On Jan 22, 2008 12:26 PM, Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > I don't think the subject lines are bad. If I'm posting to the
> > subversion list, I'm content on having "Apache problem" for the
> > subject line. We're not expecting users to add "[subversion-users]" to
> > the subject line themselves, are we? lol
>
> It is safe to assume that the message will end up in many inboxes
> co-mingled with as many other lists as the recipient might be interested
> in, so if you want it to get the attention of someone with subversion
> knowledge it would be best to make that clear.
>
> In spite of the messages insisting that everyone *must* teach their mail
> client to sort mailing list messages so they are hidden away somewhere,
> it isn't necessary and I don't want mine handled that way.
>
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> I don't think the subject lines are bad. If I'm posting to the
> subversion list, I'm content on having "Apache problem" for the
> subject line. We're not expecting users to add "[subversion-users]" to
> the subject line themselves, are we? lol
It is safe to assume that the message will end up in many inboxes
co-mingled with as many other lists as the recipient might be interested
in, so if you want it to get the attention of someone with subversion
knowledge it would be best to make that clear.
In spite of the messages insisting that everyone *must* teach their mail
client to sort mailing list messages so they are hidden away somewhere,
it isn't necessary and I don't want mine handled that way.
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
I don't think the subject lines are bad. If I'm posting to the
subversion list, I'm content on having "Apache problem" for the
subject line. We're not expecting users to add "[subversion-users]" to
the subject line themselves, are we? lol
Adam
On Jan 22, 2008 8:13 AM, Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > I use gmail. The default thread reading format is excellent. I
> > subscribe to and unsubscribe to a lot of lists. Having to go and do
> > extra steps is not fun. One step by an admin and thousands don't need
> > to do anything in their gmail to know that "Apache server error" was
> > in the subversion list because of the helpful prefix.
>
> I guess the only way we are going to get this is if posters start
> putting fully meaningful subject lines on their messages so a viewer can
> understand it without contortions to add the missing context.
>
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Re: Suggestion to subversion-list group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> I use gmail. The default thread reading format is excellent. I
> subscribe to and unsubscribe to a lot of lists. Having to go and do
> extra steps is not fun. One step by an admin and thousands don't need
> to do anything in their gmail to know that "Apache server error" was
> in the subversion list because of the helpful prefix.
I guess the only way we are going to get this is if posters start
putting fully meaningful subject lines on their messages so a viewer can
understand it without contortions to add the missing context.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
I use gmail. The default thread reading format is excellent. I
subscribe to and unsubscribe to a lot of lists. Having to go and do
extra steps is not fun. One step by an admin and thousands don't need
to do anything in their gmail to know that "Apache server error" was
in the subversion list because of the helpful prefix.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 4:40 PM, Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This will sound like an ad for GMail, but it really is trying to be a
> helpful suggestion...
>
> Use GMail for all your maillists. Set up an account specifically for
> this purpose. You can have lots of maillists coming into the inbox
> without running out of space. Also, GMail has filters to let you tag
> all the various maillists. Setting up a GMail filter is pretty easy
> to do. The various tags that you set up in the filters make it easy
> to filter your inbox for a specific maillist. Finally, using a
> maillist-specific GMail account means never having to set those
> auto-reply messages again. Since the account is specifically for
> maillists, there's no reason to set up an auto-reply for that kind of
> account!
>
> pc
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 2:31 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > this makes it even easier. You can look at your inbox and recognize it
> > immediately. Gmail does a nice threading thing too. Then there is no
> > need to set up anything by anyone.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 2:15 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> > > > it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
> > > > to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
> > > > that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
> > > > prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
> > >
> > > Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
> > > To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
> > > categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
> > > you subscribe to a list.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > > > > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> > > > > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
> > > > >
> > > > > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
> > > > > members
> > > > >
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Peter Connolly <ps...@gmail.com>.
This will sound like an ad for GMail, but it really is trying to be a
helpful suggestion...
Use GMail for all your maillists. Set up an account specifically for
this purpose. You can have lots of maillists coming into the inbox
without running out of space. Also, GMail has filters to let you tag
all the various maillists. Setting up a GMail filter is pretty easy
to do. The various tags that you set up in the filters make it easy
to filter your inbox for a specific maillist. Finally, using a
maillist-specific GMail account means never having to set those
auto-reply messages again. Since the account is specifically for
maillists, there's no reason to set up an auto-reply for that kind of
account!
pc
On Jan 21, 2008 2:31 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> this makes it even easier. You can look at your inbox and recognize it
> immediately. Gmail does a nice threading thing too. Then there is no
> need to set up anything by anyone.
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 2:15 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> > > it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
> > > to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
> > > that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
> > > prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
> >
> > Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
> > To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
> > categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
> > you subscribe to a list.
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> > > > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > > > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> > > > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
> > > >
> > > > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
> > > > members
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
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Posted by Matthew Hannigan <ml...@zip.com.au>.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 09:37:30AM +0100, Miha Vitorovic wrote:
> Well, if it's about voicing your opinion -- I don't want the prefix.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Miha Vitorovic <mv...@nil.si>.
Well, if it's about voicing your opinion -- I don't want the prefix.
Br,
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Daniel Noll <da...@nuix.com>.
On Tuesday 22 January 2008 10:44:26 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> Put the prefix in, it doesn't hurt. It only helps.
Maybe if your Subject column is infinitely wide.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com>.
I haven't seen it either.
The brail readers is not a valid concern. We'd have a huge up raising
against it in a lot of groups by now. Put the prefix in, it doesn't
hurt. It only helps.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 3:39 PM, Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Erik Huelsmann wrote:
>
> > Often, people end up with [... whatever ...] twice or even more, after
> > a mail gets replied to.
>
> Haven't seen that in years on many busy mail lists that do include their
> names in the subject (maybe mailman fixes it these days). Nor any
> complaints about having it there. On the flip side, complaints about
> the omission tend to show up fairly often on the lists that don't.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>.
Erik Huelsmann wrote:
> Often, people end up with [... whatever ...] twice or even more, after
> a mail gets replied to.
Haven't seen that in years on many busy mail lists that do include their
names in the subject (maybe mailman fixes it these days). Nor any
complaints about having it there. On the flip side, complaints about
the omission tend to show up fairly often on the lists that don't.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Erik Huelsmann <eh...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 22, 2008 12:03 AM, Talden <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "[svn-users]" would be somewhat shorter... and given that I've had
> recent weirdness like people having cross posting between the
> Subversion and Hg mailing lists, this would help in a small number of
> cases.
Instead of recognizing the cross-posts as 'the same posting', these
postings would become different posts solely by virtue of having a
different subject.
> Personally I'd give it a thumbs up.
Often, people end up with [... whatever ...] twice or even more, after
a mail gets replied to.
No thanks.
bye,
Erik.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Talden <ta...@gmail.com>.
"[svn-users]" would be somewhat shorter... and given that I've had
recent weirdness like people having cross posting between the
Subversion and Hg mailing lists, this would help in a small number of
cases.
Personally I'd give it a thumbs up.
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RE: Suggestion to group
Posted by "Miller, Eric" <Er...@amd.com>.
> As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
No thanks. I'd prefer not to have a large portion of my precious
subject line taken up by a prefix when all my mail is already filtered
by the 'From' field. It is trivial to do in gmail as well.
Other than that, welcome to the list :D
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@gmail.com>.
this makes it even easier. You can look at your inbox and recognize it
immediately. Gmail does a nice threading thing too. Then there is no
need to set up anything by anyone.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 2:15 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> > it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
> > to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
> > that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
> > prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
>
> Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
> To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
> categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
> you subscribe to a list.
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> > > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> > > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
> > >
> > > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
> > > members
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Jan 21, 2008 5:00 PM, Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com> wrote:
> it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
> to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
> that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
> prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
Nearly every mail client lets you filter your messages on the From and
To lines into labels, tags, folders, or whatever it name it uses for
categorization methods. It's not that hard to add a new rule each time
you subscribe to a list.
> On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> > On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> > > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
> >
> > 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
> > members
> >
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Re: Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Matthew Hannigan <ml...@zip.com.au>.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 08:39:33AM -0500, Bicking, David (HHoldings, IT) wrote:
> I agree with Garance. I am on a couple of lists via Yahoo that have the
> prefix, and because of the web interface, I only see the name of the
> group in the subject, never the actual subject. This is something I
> cannot change because of the constraints of the web layout and the space
> reserved for advertising even though I adblock it. I also have a 19"
> wide screen at its highest resolution, so I can't imagine how bad it
> would be if I had a regular size.
That's really sad that you can't use your nice screen; perhaps you might
reconsider your use of yahoo mail.
I'm able to use about 100 chars for subject in my client (mutt in putty)
> Every mail client I know has filters that can be set to automatically
> shift incoming mail into a folder via half a dozen fields.
Most email clients worth knowing can word-wrap the subject or allocate many
chars for each/any field.
Matt
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RE: Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by "Bicking, David (HHoldings, IT)" <Da...@thehartford.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garance A Drosihn [mailto:drosih@rpi.edu]
>
> At 2:00 PM -0800 1/21/08, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> >it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you
> subscribe/unsubscribe to
> >many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental that is on all the other
> >users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject prefix. No one wants it
> >removed if it's there.
>
> I want it removed if it's there. I'm on some mailing lists
> where those are included, and I do not like them. They are
> an unnecessary duplication of information which is already in
> the mail headers. I really do not like them.
>
> I'll obviously survive if those []-markers are added to this
> mailing list, but I just wanted to note that it is not
> correct to claim that "no one" would want to have them removed.
I agree with Garance. I am on a couple of lists via Yahoo that have the
prefix, and because of the web interface, I only see the name of the
group in the subject, never the actual subject. This is something I
cannot change because of the constraints of the web layout and the space
reserved for advertising even though I adblock it. I also have a 19"
wide screen at its highest resolution, so I can't imagine how bad it
would be if I had a regular size.
Every mail client I know has filters that can be set to automatically
shift incoming mail into a folder via half a dozen fields.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Jan 21, 2008, at 18:27, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> At 2:00 PM -0800 1/21/08, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
>
>> it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
>> to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
>> that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
>> prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
>
> I want it removed if it's there. I'm on some mailing lists where
> those
> are included, and I do not like them. They are an unnecessary
> duplication
> of information which is already in the mail headers. I really do not
> like them.
>
> I'll obviously survive if those []-markers are added to this mailing
> list, but I just wanted to note that it is not correct to claim that
> "no one" would want to have them removed.
Same here. I have had no reason to complain thus far, because this
list is set up correctly (without a subject prefix). If one were
added, I would have reason to start complaining.
http://www.l33tskillz.org/writing/tagging-harmful/
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Robert Blair <sv...@listemail.net>.
** Reply to message from Kendall Shaw <qu...@pacbell.net> on Mon, 21 Jan 2008
18:02:24 -0800
> I vote for [this-prefix-intentionally-left-blank]?
I vote against.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Kendall Shaw <qu...@pacbell.net>.
I vote for [this-prefix-intentionally-left-blank]?
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 16:49 -0800, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> If you have a gmail account, you should subscribe to a group and
> enjoy. No extra steps necessary. No matter how many groups you choose
> to subscribe to.
>
> Adam
>
> On Jan 21, 2008 4:47 PM, richard hornsby <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I understand both sides of this. I'm not a procmail hacker, but I
> > suppose it should be possible to modify the subject using procmail,
> > like so:
> >
> > http://www.issociate.de/board/post/222488/procmail_recipe_to_change_the_Subject.html
> >
> > I don't think something this sophisticated is available in gmail
> > though...the closest thing I can think of might be running a filter to
> > tag the message - or obviously subscribing with an address that can be
> > bounced through a procmail filter and then forwarded to a gmail
> > account - but thats getting kind of crazy.
> >
> > -rj
> >
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com>.
If you have a gmail account, you should subscribe to a group and
enjoy. No extra steps necessary. No matter how many groups you choose
to subscribe to.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 4:47 PM, richard hornsby <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I understand both sides of this. I'm not a procmail hacker, but I
> suppose it should be possible to modify the subject using procmail,
> like so:
>
> http://www.issociate.de/board/post/222488/procmail_recipe_to_change_the_Subject.html
>
> I don't think something this sophisticated is available in gmail
> though...the closest thing I can think of might be running a filter to
> tag the message - or obviously subscribing with an address that can be
> bounced through a procmail filter and then forwarded to a gmail
> account - but thats getting kind of crazy.
>
> -rj
>
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by richard hornsby <ri...@gmail.com>.
I understand both sides of this. I'm not a procmail hacker, but I
suppose it should be possible to modify the subject using procmail,
like so:
http://www.issociate.de/board/post/222488/procmail_recipe_to_change_the_Subject.html
I don't think something this sophisticated is available in gmail
though...the closest thing I can think of might be running a filter to
tag the message - or obviously subscribing with an address that can be
bounced through a procmail filter and then forwarded to a gmail
account - but thats getting kind of crazy.
-rj
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Garance A Drosihn <dr...@rpi.edu>.
At 2:00 PM -0800 1/21/08, Adam Dymitruk wrote:
>it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
>to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
>that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
>prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
I want it removed if it's there. I'm on some mailing lists where those
are included, and I do not like them. They are an unnecessary duplication
of information which is already in the mail headers. I really do not
like them.
I'll obviously survive if those []-markers are added to this mailing
list, but I just wanted to note that it is not correct to claim that
"no one" would want to have them removed.
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Adam Dymitruk <ad...@dymitruk.com>.
it gets tough to keep on top of it all, if you subscribe/unsubscribe
to many groups... I'm not sure how detrimental
that is on all the other users. Plenty of forums have the [] subject
prefix. No one wants it removed if it's there.
Adam
On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net> wrote:
> On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> > As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> > [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
>
> 'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
> members
>
> --
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Re: Suggestion to group
Posted by Douglas J Hunley <dh...@collab.net>.
On Monday 21 January 2008 16:45:59 Adam Dymitruk wrote:
> As I subscribe to multiple groups, could this group add
> [subversion-users] to the beginning of the subject lines?
'man procmailex' to fix this for yourself instead of imposing it onto all list
members
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