Re: Newsletter - Request for content

[Rob Oxspring <ro...@apache.org>]

As you can see the timetable has slipped a bit!  However, there doesn't seem to be a lot to go in this issue (just an entry for
lucene + whatever I write to summarise general@) and I was wondering whether it was worth bothering with.  I realise this is to be
expected with the Christmas / New Year but there has been a general decline in content volume over the months and I was wondering
whether there was something that should be done to address this.  A number of thoughts have been mentioned by various people and I'd
be interested to hear opinions:

Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.
Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is required?
Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org? (with some appropriate rename)
Maybe its fine as it is?

Thanks,

Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Oxspring" <ro...@apache.org>
To: "'Jakarta General List'" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Cc: "'James Strachan'" <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>; "'Henri Yandell'" <ba...@generationjava.com>; "'Conor MacNeill'"
<co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>; "'Stefan Bodewig'" <bo...@apache.org>; "'Otis Gospodnetic'" <ot...@yahoo.com>; "'David
Sean Taylor'" <da...@bluesunrise.com>; "'Martin Poeschl'" <mp...@marmot.at>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Newsletter - Request for content


> The end of the month is approaching again and I'm sure that, like me, a
> lot of you are focused on celebrating the new year.  Once all that is
> over I'd like to post the December issue of the newsletter so if people
> can send any reports to me that would be great.  Everyone is welcome to
> send summaries of any jakarta issues, those CC'd are so since they
> posted last time and are asked for a repeat effort or to try and prod
> others on the respective lists into taking over.
>
> In terms of timescale I'd like to pull the drafts together next weekend
> and post as soon as additions stop trickling in.  If the timescale
> doesn't suit but you'd like to contribute then give me an idea of you'll
> have something ready and we can discuss how long we can wait.
>
> In the meantime, thanks everyone and Happy New Year!
>
> Rob
>
> P.S. Big thanks to Otis for beating the content request! As usual!
>
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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

[Jeff Turner <je...@apache.org>]

On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:46:25PM -0000, Rob Oxspring wrote:
> As you can see the timetable has slipped a bit!  However, there doesn't
> seem to be a lot to go in this issue (just an entry for lucene +
> whatever I write to summarise general@) and I was wondering whether it
> was worth bothering with.  I realise this is to be expected with the
> Christmas / New Year but there has been a general decline in content
> volume over the months and I was wondering whether there was something
> that should be done to address this.  A number of thoughts have been
> mentioned by various people and I'd be interested to hear opinions:
> 
> Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.
> Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is
> required?

How about setting up an 'ApacheNewsletter' Wiki page, let content
accumulate, and publish once critical mass is achieved?

I'd imagine that writing a newsletter entry is no fun at all. Probably
each project has only 2 or 3 people with a broad enough understanding of
the issues to 'summarize' a month's communications, identifying the
signal amongst the noise.  It's also a rather subjective task, with a
high risk of offending someone by omitting or misrepresenting points.

Using a Wiki doesn't solve the hard problems, but does lower the barrier
to entry, and makes plain that it's everyone's "problem" to create
content, not just the dedicated few listed below.

> Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least
> partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
> xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org?

I know Forrest has a willing contributor :) and I'm sure with some
arm-twisting, one could be found for Cocoon.


--Jeff

> (with some appropriate rename)
> Maybe its fine as it is?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rob
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Oxspring" <ro...@apache.org>
> To: "'Jakarta General List'" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Cc: "'James Strachan'" <ja...@yahoo.co.uk>; "'Henri Yandell'" <ba...@generationjava.com>; "'Conor MacNeill'"
> <co...@cortexebusiness.com.au>; "'Stefan Bodewig'" <bo...@apache.org>; "'Otis Gospodnetic'" <ot...@yahoo.com>; "'David
> Sean Taylor'" <da...@bluesunrise.com>; "'Martin Poeschl'" <mp...@marmot.at>
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:30 PM
> Subject: Newsletter - Request for content
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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Rob Oxspring <ro...@apache.org> wrote:

> Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.

Has that helped to get more content into the October issue?

> Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least
> partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
> xml.apache.org?

You could invite them (and anybody else) and add news for whatever
(sub)project has provided input.

> Maybe its fine as it is?

To me it is, thanks a lot.

Stefan

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Re: Newsletter - Request for content

[Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>]

Rob Oxspring wrote:

> Reduce the frequency - every 2 months has been suggested before.

If you have the energy, 1 month is nice. PArtecipating is not 
compulsory, so some projects may do it with less frequency.

> Format revamp - no idea how but ideas welcome - perhaps new blood is required?

I like the format :-)

> Widen the scope - ant and Avalon have grown up to be (at least partially) outside the jakarta scope, should we include
> xml.apache.org? and it's children? maybe just a simple *.apache.org? (with some appropriate rename)

If you have energy to bring in the xml.apache projects it would be 
great! Then others too, but maybe one step at a time could help.

> Maybe its fine as it is?

Your work is very much appreciated :-)

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