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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Cyrill Zadra <cy...@gmail.com> on 2012/11/12 10:39:26 UTC
[FALCON] Fonts Question
Recognized that the mustella test swf compiled with falcon use different
font then the ones compiled with the legacy compiler. That tends to quite a
lot of test failures so I started to investigate and found following
statement in the wiki:
> Falcon includes transcoders for the various types of embedded assets,
which read, for example, a PNG file and convert it to the form required
inside a SWF. It does NOT support font trancoding, because this relies on
proprietary Adobe technology which Adobe has not donated to Apache.
Instead, you must use a separate fontswf tool to convert your font files to
SWF files and then embed the fonts from them.
Does that mean we have to generate all the ttf fonts to swf fonts in
mustella?
And in the falcon compiler code I've found the follwoing method in
Class org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration:
@Config(advanced = true)
@Mapping({"compiler", "fonts", "managers"})
@Arguments("manager-class")
@InfiniteArguments
@FlexOnly
public void setCompilerFontsManagers(ConfigurationValue cv,
List<String> list)
{
// intentionally do nothing here as feature removed, but don't
annotate as removed
// as to not generate warnings for flex-config's which still set
this options
}
Is the -compiler.fonts.managers argument just not implemented yet in falcon
or does this argument make no sense in the falcon compiler?
cyrill
RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
Alex is suggesting writing a transcoder tor Falcon that uses Adobe's proprietary font JARs. He says this is what Apache's version of the old compiler has.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrill Zadra [mailto:cyrill.zadra@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:42 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
So basically for flash we've got following options:
** create swf fonts from the ttf fonts and rewrite the mustella tests to use the swf fonts
** write an own transcoder from ttf to swf For html we don't need anything like that because it already supports a bunch off font format like ttf, svg.
Did I got that correct?
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left
> Adobe recently.
>
> We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it
> is inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
>
>
>
> On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because
> > it required Adobe JARs.
> No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything
> compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out
> separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
>
> I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that
> code from MXMLC into Falcon.
>
> >
> > - Gordon
> >
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Cyrill Zadra <cy...@gmail.com>.
I experimented a little more here so I setup a simple flex app that
uses ubuntu font - format ttf.
Then I created an swf font with the following command.
fontswf.bat -a "Ubuntu Bold" -b
C:\dev\apache-flex\falcon\compiler.tests\functional-tests\f\mxml\assets\Ubuntu-Regular.ttf
Then I replaced the @font-face url property from ttf to swf and run
falcon to compile the app. But it looks like it's not using the ubuntu
font even it's now a swf file.
So I tried to debug it and find the code where falcon parses
@font-face and reads the font source. But for me looks like it's not
implemented yet.
I found that in class
org.apache.flex.compiler.internal.css.CSSFontFace the two methods
aren't implemented.
getSourceType()
getSourceValue()
Gordon do you know more about that? Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks for help.
Cyrill
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Actually, I am suggesting writing enough code to not require the Adobe font
> jars anymore. First, it complicates the install, second, it is one more
> dependency on Adobe, third, it requires everyone to re-tool their
> application build scripts, making it another reason not to switch.
>
> The backup or interim plan would be to leverage the Adobe font jars by using
> code from MXMLC.
>
> Either way, the transcoding should be stored in a "meta" file and simply
> injected at link time. In the end, it is just a DefineFontXXX in the SWF.
>
> But if others think our customers won't mind having that extra step then
> I'll go with that.
>
> -Alex
>
>
> On 11/12/12 8:23 PM, "Om" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the ttf to swf transcoding does not have to happen during
>> compile time. We could build tooling separate from the compiler to make
>> this conversion easier. Such tooling can take advantage if the fontswf
>> utility from Adobe.
>>
>> At some point, when we write our own transcoder, we can revisit the
>> question of whether we want to do that during compile time or not.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>> On Nov 12, 2012 7:42 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't recommend this for a new compiler because font transcoding is so
>>> slow that it should really be done only once, before compilation.
>>>
>>> - Gordon
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gordon Smith
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:41 PM
>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>>>
>>> Alex is suggesting writing a transcoder tor Falcon that uses Adobe's
>>> proprietary font JARs. He says this is what Apache's version of the old
>>> compiler has.
>>>
>>> - Gordon
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cyrill Zadra [mailto:cyrill.zadra@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:42 PM
>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>>>
>>> So basically for flash we've got following options:
>>> ** create swf fonts from the ttf fonts and rewrite the mustella tests to
>>> use the swf fonts
>>> ** write an own transcoder from ttf to swf For html we don't need anything
>>> like that because it already supports a bunch off font format like ttf, svg.
>>>
>>> Did I got that correct?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left
>>>> Adobe recently.
>>>>
>>>> We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it
>>>> is inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
>>>>
>>>> - Gordon
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
>>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because
>>>>> it required Adobe JARs.
>>>> No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything
>>>> compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out
>>>> separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that
>>>> code from MXMLC into Falcon.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Gordon
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Harui
>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
Actually, I am suggesting writing enough code to not require the Adobe font
jars anymore. First, it complicates the install, second, it is one more
dependency on Adobe, third, it requires everyone to re-tool their
application build scripts, making it another reason not to switch.
The backup or interim plan would be to leverage the Adobe font jars by using
code from MXMLC.
Either way, the transcoding should be stored in a "meta" file and simply
injected at link time. In the end, it is just a DefineFontXXX in the SWF.
But if others think our customers won't mind having that extra step then
I'll go with that.
-Alex
On 11/12/12 8:23 PM, "Om" <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree that the ttf to swf transcoding does not have to happen during
> compile time. We could build tooling separate from the compiler to make
> this conversion easier. Such tooling can take advantage if the fontswf
> utility from Adobe.
>
> At some point, when we write our own transcoder, we can revisit the
> question of whether we want to do that during compile time or not.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
> On Nov 12, 2012 7:42 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't recommend this for a new compiler because font transcoding is so
>> slow that it should really be done only once, before compilation.
>>
>> - Gordon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Smith
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:41 PM
>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>>
>> Alex is suggesting writing a transcoder tor Falcon that uses Adobe's
>> proprietary font JARs. He says this is what Apache's version of the old
>> compiler has.
>>
>> - Gordon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cyrill Zadra [mailto:cyrill.zadra@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:42 PM
>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>>
>> So basically for flash we've got following options:
>> ** create swf fonts from the ttf fonts and rewrite the mustella tests to
>> use the swf fonts
>> ** write an own transcoder from ttf to swf For html we don't need anything
>> like that because it already supports a bunch off font format like ttf, svg.
>>
>> Did I got that correct?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left
>>> Adobe recently.
>>>
>>> We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it
>>> is inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
>>>
>>> - Gordon
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
>>> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because
>>>> it required Adobe JARs.
>>> No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything
>>> compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out
>>> separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that
>>> code from MXMLC into Falcon.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Gordon
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Harui
>>> Flex SDK Team
>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>
>>>
>>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Om <bi...@gmail.com>.
I agree that the ttf to swf transcoding does not have to happen during
compile time. We could build tooling separate from the compiler to make
this conversion easier. Such tooling can take advantage if the fontswf
utility from Adobe.
At some point, when we write our own transcoder, we can revisit the
question of whether we want to do that during compile time or not.
Thanks,
Om
On Nov 12, 2012 7:42 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I don't recommend this for a new compiler because font transcoding is so
> slow that it should really be done only once, before compilation.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Smith
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:41 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
> Alex is suggesting writing a transcoder tor Falcon that uses Adobe's
> proprietary font JARs. He says this is what Apache's version of the old
> compiler has.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cyrill Zadra [mailto:cyrill.zadra@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:42 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
> So basically for flash we've got following options:
> ** create swf fonts from the ttf fonts and rewrite the mustella tests to
> use the swf fonts
> ** write an own transcoder from ttf to swf For html we don't need anything
> like that because it already supports a bunch off font format like ttf, svg.
>
> Did I got that correct?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left
> > Adobe recently.
> >
> > We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it
> > is inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
> >
> > - Gordon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
> > To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because
> > > it required Adobe JARs.
> > No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything
> > compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out
> > separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
> >
> > I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that
> > code from MXMLC into Falcon.
> >
> > >
> > > - Gordon
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Alex Harui
> > Flex SDK Team
> > Adobe Systems, Inc.
> > http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
> >
> >
>
RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
I don't recommend this for a new compiler because font transcoding is so slow that it should really be done only once, before compilation.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Smith
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:41 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Alex is suggesting writing a transcoder tor Falcon that uses Adobe's proprietary font JARs. He says this is what Apache's version of the old compiler has.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Cyrill Zadra [mailto:cyrill.zadra@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 6:42 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
So basically for flash we've got following options:
** create swf fonts from the ttf fonts and rewrite the mustella tests to use the swf fonts
** write an own transcoder from ttf to swf For html we don't need anything like that because it already supports a bunch off font format like ttf, svg.
Did I got that correct?
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left
> Adobe recently.
>
> We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it
> is inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
>
>
>
> On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because
> > it required Adobe JARs.
> No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything
> compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out
> separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
>
> I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that
> code from MXMLC into Falcon.
>
> >
> > - Gordon
> >
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Cyrill Zadra <cy...@gmail.com>.
So basically for flash we've got following options:
** create swf fonts from the ttf fonts and rewrite the mustella tests to
use the swf fonts
** write an own transcoder from ttf to swf
For html we don't need anything like that because it already supports a
bunch off font format like ttf, svg.
Did I got that correct?
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left
> Adobe recently.
>
> We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it is
> inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
>
>
>
> On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because it
> > required Adobe JARs.
> No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything
> compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out
> separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
>
> I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that code
> from MXMLC into Falcon.
>
> >
> > - Gordon
> >
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
I'm not sure. The engineer who did the font embedding for Falcon left Adobe recently.
We felt that the compiler shouldn't be doing font embedding because it is inefficient to transcode the font more than once.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 2:02 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because it
> required Adobe JARs.
No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything compiles and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out separately and downloaded the Adobe font jars.
I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that code from MXMLC into Falcon.
>
> - Gordon
>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 11/12/12 1:46 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because it
> required Adobe JARs.
No, that's the way Apache Flex distributes MXMLC today. Everything compiles
and runs, but embedding doesn't work if you haven't gone out separately and
downloaded the Adobe font jars.
I'm just wondering if how hard it would be to re-purpose some of that code
from MXMLC into Falcon.
>
> - Gordon
>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
Then you would have a compiler that you couldn't distribute because it required Adobe JARs.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:35 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
On 11/12/12 1:18 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> For Apache Flex, you should require or download fontswf as a
> prerequisite and use it to turn the font files used by the Mustella
> tests into SWF files. Then the Mustella tests should embed the fonts from the SWF files.
Ok, but by requiring fontswf we are effectively requiring the Adobe-licensed font jars. Would it be a lot of work to have Falcon call those jars directly?
>
> - Gordon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:01 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
> Ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. There is no embedded font
> support for Falcon. I'm not even sure fontswf will work. Gordon may know more.
>
> I was going to look into copying code from MXMLC to do some of the
> font embedding, but either way I think we do need to remove any
> dependencies on Adobe (fontswf is also Adobe licensed) and write our
> own transcoder. I'm told it is straightforward for CFF fonts, but it
> might be more work for the older fonts.
>
> That said, looking forward at Flex on JS, is there font embedding in HTML/CSS?
>
>
> On 11/12/12 1:39 AM, "Cyrill Zadra" <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recognized that the mustella test swf compiled with falcon use
>> different font then the ones compiled with the legacy compiler. That
>> tends to quite a lot of test failures so I started to investigate and
>> found following statement in the wiki:
>>
>>> Falcon includes transcoders for the various types of embedded
>>> assets,
>> which read, for example, a PNG file and convert it to the form
>> required inside a SWF. It does NOT support font trancoding, because
>> this relies on proprietary Adobe technology which Adobe has not
>> donated to Apache.
>> Instead, you must use a separate fontswf tool to convert your font
>> files to SWF files and then embed the fonts from them.
>>
>> Does that mean we have to generate all the ttf fonts to swf fonts in
>> mustella?
>>
>> And in the falcon compiler code I've found the follwoing method in
>> Class org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration:
>>
>> @Config(advanced = true)
>> @Mapping({"compiler", "fonts", "managers"})
>> @Arguments("manager-class")
>> @InfiniteArguments
>> @FlexOnly
>> public void setCompilerFontsManagers(ConfigurationValue cv,
>> List<String> list)
>> {
>> // intentionally do nothing here as feature removed, but
>> don't annotate as removed
>> // as to not generate warnings for flex-config's which still
>> set this options
>> }
>>
>> Is the -compiler.fonts.managers argument just not implemented yet in
>> falcon or does this argument make no sense in the falcon compiler?
>>
>> cyrill
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Cyrill Zadra <cy...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for feedback.
I just red some stuff about Embed font support on
http://www.bytearray.org/?p=4789 and
http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/flashplatformruntimes/air3-4/air3-4_p2_sdk_asc2_releasenotes.pdf.
Isn't this exactly what we are talking here about?
cyrill
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> For Apache Flex, you should require or download fontswf as a prerequisite
> and use it to turn the font files used by the Mustella tests into SWF
> files. Then the Mustella tests should embed the fonts from the SWF files.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:01 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
> Ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. There is no embedded font support
> for Falcon. I'm not even sure fontswf will work. Gordon may know more.
>
> I was going to look into copying code from MXMLC to do some of the font
> embedding, but either way I think we do need to remove any dependencies on
> Adobe (fontswf is also Adobe licensed) and write our own transcoder. I'm
> told it is straightforward for CFF fonts, but it might be more work for the
> older fonts.
>
> That said, looking forward at Flex on JS, is there font embedding in
> HTML/CSS?
>
>
> On 11/12/12 1:39 AM, "Cyrill Zadra" <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Recognized that the mustella test swf compiled with falcon use
> > different font then the ones compiled with the legacy compiler. That
> > tends to quite a lot of test failures so I started to investigate and
> > found following statement in the wiki:
> >
> >> Falcon includes transcoders for the various types of embedded assets,
> > which read, for example, a PNG file and convert it to the form
> > required inside a SWF. It does NOT support font trancoding, because
> > this relies on proprietary Adobe technology which Adobe has not donated
> to Apache.
> > Instead, you must use a separate fontswf tool to convert your font
> > files to SWF files and then embed the fonts from them.
> >
> > Does that mean we have to generate all the ttf fonts to swf fonts in
> > mustella?
> >
> > And in the falcon compiler code I've found the follwoing method in
> > Class org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration:
> >
> > @Config(advanced = true)
> > @Mapping({"compiler", "fonts", "managers"})
> > @Arguments("manager-class")
> > @InfiniteArguments
> > @FlexOnly
> > public void setCompilerFontsManagers(ConfigurationValue cv,
> > List<String> list)
> > {
> > // intentionally do nothing here as feature removed, but don't
> > annotate as removed
> > // as to not generate warnings for flex-config's which still
> > set this options
> > }
> >
> > Is the -compiler.fonts.managers argument just not implemented yet in
> > falcon or does this argument make no sense in the falcon compiler?
> >
> > cyrill
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 11/12/12 1:18 PM, "Gordon Smith" <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> For Apache Flex, you should require or download fontswf as a prerequisite and
> use it to turn the font files used by the Mustella tests into SWF files. Then
> the Mustella tests should embed the fonts from the SWF files.
Ok, but by requiring fontswf we are effectively requiring the Adobe-licensed
font jars. Would it be a lot of work to have Falcon call those jars
directly?
>
> - Gordon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:01 PM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
>
> Ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. There is no embedded font support for
> Falcon. I'm not even sure fontswf will work. Gordon may know more.
>
> I was going to look into copying code from MXMLC to do some of the font
> embedding, but either way I think we do need to remove any dependencies on
> Adobe (fontswf is also Adobe licensed) and write our own transcoder. I'm told
> it is straightforward for CFF fonts, but it might be more work for the older
> fonts.
>
> That said, looking forward at Flex on JS, is there font embedding in HTML/CSS?
>
>
> On 11/12/12 1:39 AM, "Cyrill Zadra" <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recognized that the mustella test swf compiled with falcon use
>> different font then the ones compiled with the legacy compiler. That
>> tends to quite a lot of test failures so I started to investigate and
>> found following statement in the wiki:
>>
>>> Falcon includes transcoders for the various types of embedded assets,
>> which read, for example, a PNG file and convert it to the form
>> required inside a SWF. It does NOT support font trancoding, because
>> this relies on proprietary Adobe technology which Adobe has not donated to
>> Apache.
>> Instead, you must use a separate fontswf tool to convert your font
>> files to SWF files and then embed the fonts from them.
>>
>> Does that mean we have to generate all the ttf fonts to swf fonts in
>> mustella?
>>
>> And in the falcon compiler code I've found the follwoing method in
>> Class org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration:
>>
>> @Config(advanced = true)
>> @Mapping({"compiler", "fonts", "managers"})
>> @Arguments("manager-class")
>> @InfiniteArguments
>> @FlexOnly
>> public void setCompilerFontsManagers(ConfigurationValue cv,
>> List<String> list)
>> {
>> // intentionally do nothing here as feature removed, but don't
>> annotate as removed
>> // as to not generate warnings for flex-config's which still
>> set this options
>> }
>>
>> Is the -compiler.fonts.managers argument just not implemented yet in
>> falcon or does this argument make no sense in the falcon compiler?
>>
>> cyrill
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
For Apache Flex, you should require or download fontswf as a prerequisite and use it to turn the font files used by the Mustella tests into SWF files. Then the Mustella tests should embed the fonts from the SWF files.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 1:01 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. There is no embedded font support for Falcon. I'm not even sure fontswf will work. Gordon may know more.
I was going to look into copying code from MXMLC to do some of the font embedding, but either way I think we do need to remove any dependencies on Adobe (fontswf is also Adobe licensed) and write our own transcoder. I'm told it is straightforward for CFF fonts, but it might be more work for the older fonts.
That said, looking forward at Flex on JS, is there font embedding in HTML/CSS?
On 11/12/12 1:39 AM, "Cyrill Zadra" <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recognized that the mustella test swf compiled with falcon use
> different font then the ones compiled with the legacy compiler. That
> tends to quite a lot of test failures so I started to investigate and
> found following statement in the wiki:
>
>> Falcon includes transcoders for the various types of embedded assets,
> which read, for example, a PNG file and convert it to the form
> required inside a SWF. It does NOT support font trancoding, because
> this relies on proprietary Adobe technology which Adobe has not donated to Apache.
> Instead, you must use a separate fontswf tool to convert your font
> files to SWF files and then embed the fonts from them.
>
> Does that mean we have to generate all the ttf fonts to swf fonts in
> mustella?
>
> And in the falcon compiler code I've found the follwoing method in
> Class org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration:
>
> @Config(advanced = true)
> @Mapping({"compiler", "fonts", "managers"})
> @Arguments("manager-class")
> @InfiniteArguments
> @FlexOnly
> public void setCompilerFontsManagers(ConfigurationValue cv,
> List<String> list)
> {
> // intentionally do nothing here as feature removed, but don't
> annotate as removed
> // as to not generate warnings for flex-config's which still
> set this options
> }
>
> Is the -compiler.fonts.managers argument just not implemented yet in
> falcon or does this argument make no sense in the falcon compiler?
>
> cyrill
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
> That said, looking forward at Flex on JS, is there font embedding in
> HTML/CSS?
Not sure about true embedding, but there is:
http://caniuse.com/fontface
EdB
--
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Jan Luykenstraat 27
3521 VB Utrecht
T. 06-51952295
I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: [FALCON] Fonts Question
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
Ugh, I knew I was forgetting something. There is no embedded font support
for Falcon. I'm not even sure fontswf will work. Gordon may know more.
I was going to look into copying code from MXMLC to do some of the font
embedding, but either way I think we do need to remove any dependencies on
Adobe (fontswf is also Adobe licensed) and write our own transcoder. I'm
told it is straightforward for CFF fonts, but it might be more work for the
older fonts.
That said, looking forward at Flex on JS, is there font embedding in
HTML/CSS?
On 11/12/12 1:39 AM, "Cyrill Zadra" <cy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Recognized that the mustella test swf compiled with falcon use different
> font then the ones compiled with the legacy compiler. That tends to quite a
> lot of test failures so I started to investigate and found following
> statement in the wiki:
>
>> Falcon includes transcoders for the various types of embedded assets,
> which read, for example, a PNG file and convert it to the form required
> inside a SWF. It does NOT support font trancoding, because this relies on
> proprietary Adobe technology which Adobe has not donated to Apache.
> Instead, you must use a separate fontswf tool to convert your font files to
> SWF files and then embed the fonts from them.
>
> Does that mean we have to generate all the ttf fonts to swf fonts in
> mustella?
>
> And in the falcon compiler code I've found the follwoing method in
> Class org.apache.flex.compiler.config.Configuration:
>
> @Config(advanced = true)
> @Mapping({"compiler", "fonts", "managers"})
> @Arguments("manager-class")
> @InfiniteArguments
> @FlexOnly
> public void setCompilerFontsManagers(ConfigurationValue cv,
> List<String> list)
> {
> // intentionally do nothing here as feature removed, but don't
> annotate as removed
> // as to not generate warnings for flex-config's which still set
> this options
> }
>
> Is the -compiler.fonts.managers argument just not implemented yet in falcon
> or does this argument make no sense in the falcon compiler?
>
> cyrill
--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui