Re : Re: Re : Re: Project Visualization Tool...

[he...@free.fr]

Yes, I have no problem with json vs xml: the question is more to define the schema like doap did it, and write documentation for projects to know where to publish what information

editing current generated json just creates a new information source, without any documentation

My point is: afaik, the purpose of the site is to display info in newer ways, then json generated from every existing piece of information is great, like any other format that would better suit some other visualization

But if we're creating any new source of information that competes with existing one, this has to be done with great care on documentation, explanation on how to migrate and so on

of course the raw format is not an issue: no religion here on xml vs json vs yaml vs ... 

Regards

Hervé 


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De: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
À: dev@community.apache.org
Envoyé: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:44:54 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: Re: Re : Re: Project Visualization Tool...

On Saturday, April 18, 2015, <he...@free.fr> wrote:

> It was told the new site would use native json, instead of doap
> But I'm not convinced at all, since Doap is an invaluable source of info,
> documented, and so on

json is also a documented standard, that in general is more known, and I
believe has more tools supporting it.


>
> then imho it would be better to generate json from doap
>
> I disabled the json edit feature recently since it will cause problems

which problems?

with a defined json it is simple to generate the doap file.

I highly recommend staying at json and using that as base for all our
central data.

rgds
jan i



>
> regards
>
> Hervé
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> De: Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org <javascript:;>>
> À: dev@community.apache.org <javascript:;>
> Envoyé: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 06:43:37 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: Re: Project Visualization Tool...
>
> We had a great session, and a lot of energy, hopefully we can make some
> progress. One note: this needs to be a comdev PMC project, and we need
> to really plan the data part out if we want to be successful.
>
> Note that projects-new.a.o is the planned future replacement for
> projects.a.o - there are *significant* differences, so you need to look
> at the About page and the source repo. In particular, the new site uses
> it's own new JSON generated sources which (I think) will no longer use
> the DOAPs.
>
> In particular, Infra currently does *not* consider either the data
> gathering (i.e. populating the JSON behind the projects-new site) nor
> the visualizations (current or ones we want to build) as core supported
> services. So whatever we build needs to be maintained by this PMC to
> start with.
>
> Also, Link dump of useful related bits: ----------------
>
> Old service, based on crappy cron jobs and DOAP files from projects:
> https://projects.apache.org/
>
> New service, soon to be infra supported, relying on JSON data generated
> by infra on a regular schedule:
> https://projects-new.apache.org/
>
> Useful PMC chair report helper, that surfaces a number of different
> statistics about your PMC(s), including mailing list stats,
> PMC/committer changes, some software releases, etc. etc. (Members have
> visibility to all PMCs):
> https://reporter.apache.org
>
> Rob Weir (AOO, Member) used to do some visualization stuff and might
> have code ideas:
> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2013/05/mapping-apache.html
>
> Ken Coar's old mailing list stats page:
>
> https://people.apache.org/~coar/mlists.html
>
> The AOO project wrote a mailing list visualizer for who talks to whom:
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/visualizing_the_aoo_dev_list
>
> Some outside statistics FLOSSmole generated about Apache communities and
> lists:
> http://flossmole.org/category/tags/apache
>
> Random other interesting analytics:
> The Subversion project has the "contribulyzer"
>
>
>
> - Shane
>
>

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