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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com> on 2017/06/15 09:03:46 UTC
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Hi,
It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without negative comments
So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to not change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop". You just
need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
Jacques
Le 20/05/2017 à 14:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> OK, we partly came to something unexpected :)
>
> There is obviously a majority, in those who answered to the "survey", to prefer loadAll
>
> So I suggest that we rename loadDefault to loadAll
>
> And then decide if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>
> Agreed?
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 15/05/2017 à 20:55, Paul Mandeltort a écrit :
>> Agreed! As a user who mainly pokes through at the top level scripts to integrate with the rest of my systems, this would be the most clear approach
>> when looking at existing scripts.
>>
>> —P
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beautifully said Mike!
>>>
>>> When we switched to gradle, we dropped all "shortcut" tasks (ant targets)
>>> and exposed users directly to the server, thereby combining and issuing
>>> commands however the user desires.
>>>
>>> The only shortcut tasks we left in are "testIntegration" and "loadDefault"
>>> because we should be running them before applying every commit. So they are
>>> there as a convenience but even then I think removing them is better.
>>>
>>> If we remove them completely and instead get used to the below command
>>> instead:
>>>
>>> ./gradlew cleanAll "ofbiz --load-data" "ofbiz --test"
>>>
>>> Then we will be have to understand these commands and avoid shortcuts
>>> altogether. Everyone would understand how to control the server and better
>>> utilize it to fit their needs.
>>>
>>> So my recommendation is to actually remove loadDefault and testIntegration.
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed,seed-initial,ext,ext-demo"
>>>
>>> Just leave it "as-is". These are historical. There is nothing gained but
>>> more confusion and out-dating of existing documentation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of bikeshedding...
>>>>
>>>> The "data" is redundant. What else would you "load" but "data"?
>>>>
>>>> loadAll 1 (best)
>>>> loadDefault 2
>>>> loadAllData 3
>>>> loadData 4 (worst)
>>>>
>>>> loadData should be infinity. It's meaningless.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Paul Foxworthy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 May 2017 at 02:45, Paul Mandeltort <pa...@marcospec.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I’m being a jerk and not following your directions so feel free
>>> to
>>>>> ignore me, but some unsolicited advice :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> The proposed terms are still ambiguous. One of OFBiz’s biggest problems
>>>> is
>>>>> there’s a lot of shorthand and ambiguity which makes it really hard for
>>>>> someone who occasionally digs in (like me) to figure out what’s going
>>> on.
>>>>> So I’m going to suggest a bit more verbosity:
>>>>>
>>>>> Load-Data-All
>>>>> Load-Data-Demo
>>>>> Load-Data-Seed
>>>>> Load-Data-Seed-Initial
>>>>> Load-Data-External
>>>>> Load-Data-External-Test
>>>>> Load-Data-External-Demo
>>>>>
>>>>> to parallel the concepts in the readme. Then at least you can follow the
>>>>> concepts through the pipeline. Now the naming of those data loading
>>> tasks
>>>>> is another function as they are still confusion (seed vs seed initial
>>>>> description is confusing!).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> • seed: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along with
>>> source
>>>>> and updated whenever a system deployment is updated
>>>>> • seed-initial: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along
>>>> with
>>>>> source like other seed data, but only loaded initially and not updated
>>>> when
>>>>> a system is updated except manually reviewing each line
>>>>> • demo: OFBiz Only Demo Data
>>>>> • ext: External General Data (custom)
>>>>> • ext-test: External Test Data (custom)
>>>>> • ext-demo: External Demo Data (custom)
>>>>>
>>>>> While I’m hardly an expert, I’ve always appreciated the pattern of
>>>>> parameters following a “Verb-Noun-Adjective” format. So in this case,
>>>> Load
>>>>> = Verb, Data = what, Adjective = what kind of data we’re loading.
>>>>>
>>>>> “ext” is also confusing, since it could be confused for “Extension”, but
>>>>> that’s another discussion probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you’re a command-line warriors, you can add gradle autocomplete to
>>>> Bash
>>>>> and Zsh:
>>>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle-completion
>>>>>
>>>>> —P
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 12, 2017, 10:35 AM -0500, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>, wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following the discussion in this thread https://s.apache.org/9PBV we
>>>>> agreed to change the name of the Gradle task which load demo and all
>>>> data.
>>>>>> Before Gradle it was load-demo. It's currently loadDefault and in the
>>>>> discussion came loadAll, loadData and loadAllData.
>>>>>> So I propose an informal vote, more a survey, to decide which name we
>>>>> should use for this (important) task.
>>>>>> Please vote by giving a weight to each of 4 propositions:
>>>>>> loadDefault
>>>>>> loadAll
>>>>>> loadData
>>>>>> loadAllData
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, here is my choice
>>>>>> loadDefault 4
>>>>>> loadData 3
>>>>>> loadAll 2
>>>>>> loadAllData 1
>>>>>> which means that I prefer loadAllData over loadAll, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if we agree on the idea, we will pick the name with the smaller
>>>>> cumulated number from participants
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd
>>>> PO Box 2773
>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>>>> Australia
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +61 3 9585 6788
>>>> Web: http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/
>>>> Email: info@coherentsoftware.com.au
>>>>
>>
>
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Ah OK, that's the point I did not get. So we would use instead
gradlew 'ofbiz --load-data' 'ofbiz --test'
or abbreviations, sounds good to me. I think we still should ask at least on dev ML before removing. And of course update everywhere it's needed.
Jacques
Le 15/06/2017 à 14:02, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
> Why would you move these tasks to tools? That's another weird thing! The
> idea is to delete them, not move them!
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com>.
No problem in renaming.
Why would you move these tasks to tools? That's another weird thing! The
idea is to delete them, not move them!
On Jun 15, 2017 2:55 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
1) rename loadDefault by loadAll
2) ask if we want to remove loadAll and testIntegration Gradle tasks and
replace them by creating loadAll and testIntegration scripts in tools
branch. "Moving" Gradle tasks to tools is complicating things for everybody
(notably committers), hence should be discussed in dev ML
Jacques
Le 15/06/2017 à 12:33, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
> Why would removing it complicate things while removing testIntegration is
> okay? I don't understand?
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 12:48 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> wrote:
>
> In my mind it's 2 steps (in the 2nd we would move loadAll to tools) but I'm
> not much for that, because it complicate things for everybody, not only
> committers
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 15/06/2017 à 11:23, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
>
> I am afraid you misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested removing all
>> shortcut tasks, not renaming them.
>>
>> So either remove everything, or rename loadDefault. What you want to do as
>> I undsrstand is rename loadDefault and remove testIntegration. Weird
>> choice!
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017 12:03 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without
>> negative comments
>>
>> So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks
>> "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>>
>> Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to not
>> change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop". You just
>> need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 20/05/2017 à 14:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>
>> OK, we partly came to something unexpected :)
>>
>>> There is obviously a majority, in those who answered to the "survey", to
>>> prefer loadAll
>>>
>>> So I suggest that we rename loadDefault to loadAll
>>>
>>> And then decide if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration"
>>> and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>>>
>>> Agreed?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 15/05/2017 à 20:55, Paul Mandeltort a écrit :
>>>
>>> Agreed! As a user who mainly pokes through at the top level scripts to
>>>
>>>> integrate with the rest of my systems, this would be the most clear
>>>> approach when looking at existing scripts.
>>>>
>>>> —P
>>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>>>>
>>>>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Beautifully said Mike!
>>>>>
>>>>> When we switched to gradle, we dropped all "shortcut" tasks (ant
>>>>> targets)
>>>>> and exposed users directly to the server, thereby combining and issuing
>>>>> commands however the user desires.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only shortcut tasks we left in are "testIntegration" and
>>>>> "loadDefault"
>>>>> because we should be running them before applying every commit. So they
>>>>> are
>>>>> there as a convenience but even then I think removing them is better.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we remove them completely and instead get used to the below command
>>>>> instead:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./gradlew cleanAll "ofbiz --load-data" "ofbiz --test"
>>>>>
>>>>> Then we will be have to understand these commands and avoid shortcuts
>>>>> altogether. Everyone would understand how to control the server and
>>>>> better
>>>>> utilize it to fit their needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So my recommendation is to actually remove loadDefault and
>>>>> testIntegration.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed,seed-initial,ext,ext-demo"
>>>>>
>>>>> Just leave it "as-is". These are historical. There is nothing gained
>>>>> but
>>>>> more confusion and out-dating of existing documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of bikeshedding...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "data" is redundant. What else would you "load" but "data"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> loadAll 1 (best)
>>>>>> loadDefault 2
>>>>>> loadAllData 3
>>>>>> loadData 4 (worst)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> loadData should be infinity. It's meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 May 2017 at 02:45, Paul Mandeltort <pa...@marcospec.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I’m being a jerk and not following your directions so feel free
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> ignore me, but some unsolicited advice :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposed terms are still ambiguous. One of OFBiz’s biggest
>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> there’s a lot of shorthand and ambiguity which makes it really hard
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone who occasionally digs in (like me) to figure out what’s going
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I’m going to suggest a bit more verbosity:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Load-Data-All
>>>>>>> Load-Data-Demo
>>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed
>>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed-Initial
>>>>>>> Load-Data-External
>>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Test
>>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to parallel the concepts in the readme. Then at least you can follow
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> concepts through the pipeline. Now the naming of those data loading
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> is another function as they are still confusion (seed vs seed initial
>>>>>>
>>>>>> description is confusing!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • seed: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and updated whenever a system deployment is updated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • seed-initial: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> source like other seed data, but only loaded initially and not updated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a system is updated except manually reviewing each line
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • demo: OFBiz Only Demo Data
>>>>>>> • ext: External General Data (custom)
>>>>>>> • ext-test: External Test Data (custom)
>>>>>>> • ext-demo: External Demo Data (custom)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I’m hardly an expert, I’ve always appreciated the pattern of
>>>>>>> parameters following a “Verb-Noun-Adjective” format. So in this
>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Load
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> = Verb, Data = what, Adjective = what kind of data we’re loading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “ext” is also confusing, since it could be confused for “Extension”,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> that’s another discussion probably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you’re a command-line warriors, you can add gradle autocomplete to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bash
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and Zsh:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle-completion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2017, 10:35 AM -0500, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>>> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following the discussion in this thread https://s.apache.org/9PBV
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> agreed to change the name of the Gradle task which load demo and all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before Gradle it was load-demo. It's currently loadDefault and in the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> discussion came loadAll, loadData and loadAllData.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I propose an informal vote, more a survey, to decide which name we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> should use for this (important) task.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please vote by giving a weight to each of 4 propositions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> loadDefault
>>>>>>>> loadAll
>>>>>>>> loadData
>>>>>>>> loadAllData
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For instance, here is my choice
>>>>>>>> loadDefault 4
>>>>>>>> loadData 3
>>>>>>>> loadAll 2
>>>>>>>> loadAllData 1
>>>>>>>> which means that I prefer loadAllData over loadAll, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if we agree on the idea, we will pick the name with the smaller
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cumulated number from participants
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd
>>>>>> PO Box 2773
>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: +61 3 9585 6788
>>>>>> Web: http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/
>>>>>> Email: info@coherentsoftware.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
1) rename loadDefault by loadAll
2) ask if we want to remove loadAll and testIntegration Gradle tasks and replace them by creating loadAll and testIntegration scripts in tools branch.
"Moving" Gradle tasks to tools is complicating things for everybody (notably committers), hence should be discussed in dev ML
Jacques
Le 15/06/2017 à 12:33, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
> Why would removing it complicate things while removing testIntegration is
> okay? I don't understand?
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 12:48 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> wrote:
>
> In my mind it's 2 steps (in the 2nd we would move loadAll to tools) but I'm
> not much for that, because it complicate things for everybody, not only
> committers
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 15/06/2017 à 11:23, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
>
>> I am afraid you misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested removing all
>> shortcut tasks, not renaming them.
>>
>> So either remove everything, or rename loadDefault. What you want to do as
>> I undsrstand is rename loadDefault and remove testIntegration. Weird
>> choice!
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2017 12:03 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without
>> negative comments
>>
>> So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks
>> "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>>
>> Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to not
>> change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop". You just
>> need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 20/05/2017 à 14:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>>
>> OK, we partly came to something unexpected :)
>>> There is obviously a majority, in those who answered to the "survey", to
>>> prefer loadAll
>>>
>>> So I suggest that we rename loadDefault to loadAll
>>>
>>> And then decide if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration"
>>> and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>>>
>>> Agreed?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 15/05/2017 à 20:55, Paul Mandeltort a écrit :
>>>
>>> Agreed! As a user who mainly pokes through at the top level scripts to
>>>> integrate with the rest of my systems, this would be the most clear
>>>> approach when looking at existing scripts.
>>>>
>>>> —P
>>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>>>>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Beautifully said Mike!
>>>>>
>>>>> When we switched to gradle, we dropped all "shortcut" tasks (ant
>>>>> targets)
>>>>> and exposed users directly to the server, thereby combining and issuing
>>>>> commands however the user desires.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only shortcut tasks we left in are "testIntegration" and
>>>>> "loadDefault"
>>>>> because we should be running them before applying every commit. So they
>>>>> are
>>>>> there as a convenience but even then I think removing them is better.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we remove them completely and instead get used to the below command
>>>>> instead:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./gradlew cleanAll "ofbiz --load-data" "ofbiz --test"
>>>>>
>>>>> Then we will be have to understand these commands and avoid shortcuts
>>>>> altogether. Everyone would understand how to control the server and
>>>>> better
>>>>> utilize it to fit their needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So my recommendation is to actually remove loadDefault and
>>>>> testIntegration.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed,seed-initial,ext,ext-demo"
>>>>>
>>>>> Just leave it "as-is". These are historical. There is nothing gained
>>>>> but
>>>>> more confusion and out-dating of existing documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of bikeshedding...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "data" is redundant. What else would you "load" but "data"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> loadAll 1 (best)
>>>>>> loadDefault 2
>>>>>> loadAllData 3
>>>>>> loadData 4 (worst)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> loadData should be infinity. It's meaningless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 May 2017 at 02:45, Paul Mandeltort <pa...@marcospec.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I’m being a jerk and not following your directions so feel free
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> ignore me, but some unsolicited advice :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The proposed terms are still ambiguous. One of OFBiz’s biggest
>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> there’s a lot of shorthand and ambiguity which makes it really hard for
>>>>>>> someone who occasionally digs in (like me) to figure out what’s going
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>> So I’m going to suggest a bit more verbosity:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Load-Data-All
>>>>>>> Load-Data-Demo
>>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed
>>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed-Initial
>>>>>>> Load-Data-External
>>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Test
>>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to parallel the concepts in the readme. Then at least you can follow
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> concepts through the pipeline. Now the naming of those data loading
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>> is another function as they are still confusion (seed vs seed initial
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> description is confusing!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • seed: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> source
>>>>>> and updated whenever a system deployment is updated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> • seed-initial: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> source like other seed data, but only loaded initially and not updated
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>> a system is updated except manually reviewing each line
>>>>>>> • demo: OFBiz Only Demo Data
>>>>>>> • ext: External General Data (custom)
>>>>>>> • ext-test: External Test Data (custom)
>>>>>>> • ext-demo: External Demo Data (custom)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I’m hardly an expert, I’ve always appreciated the pattern of
>>>>>>> parameters following a “Verb-Noun-Adjective” format. So in this case,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Load
>>>>>> = Verb, Data = what, Adjective = what kind of data we’re loading.
>>>>>>> “ext” is also confusing, since it could be confused for “Extension”,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> that’s another discussion probably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you’re a command-line warriors, you can add gradle autocomplete to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bash
>>>>>> and Zsh:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle-completion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 12, 2017, 10:35 AM -0500, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>>> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> Following the discussion in this thread https://s.apache.org/9PBV we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> agreed to change the name of the Gradle task which load demo and all
>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>> Before Gradle it was load-demo. It's currently loadDefault and in the
>>>>>>> discussion came loadAll, loadData and loadAllData.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I propose an informal vote, more a survey, to decide which name we
>>>>>>>> should use for this (important) task.
>>>>>>> Please vote by giving a weight to each of 4 propositions:
>>>>>>>> loadDefault
>>>>>>>> loadAll
>>>>>>>> loadData
>>>>>>>> loadAllData
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For instance, here is my choice
>>>>>>>> loadDefault 4
>>>>>>>> loadData 3
>>>>>>>> loadAll 2
>>>>>>>> loadAllData 1
>>>>>>>> which means that I prefer loadAllData over loadAll, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So if we agree on the idea, we will pick the name with the smaller
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cumulated number from participants
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd
>>>>>> PO Box 2773
>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phone: +61 3 9585 6788
>>>>>> Web: http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/
>>>>>> Email: info@coherentsoftware.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com>.
Why would removing it complicate things while removing testIntegration is
okay? I don't understand?
On Jun 15, 2017 12:48 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
In my mind it's 2 steps (in the 2nd we would move loadAll to tools) but I'm
not much for that, because it complicate things for everybody, not only
committers
Jacques
Le 15/06/2017 à 11:23, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
> I am afraid you misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested removing all
> shortcut tasks, not renaming them.
>
> So either remove everything, or rename loadDefault. What you want to do as
> I undsrstand is rename loadDefault and remove testIntegration. Weird
> choice!
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 12:03 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without
> negative comments
>
> So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks
> "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>
> Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to not
> change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop". You just
> need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 20/05/2017 à 14:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>
> OK, we partly came to something unexpected :)
>>
>> There is obviously a majority, in those who answered to the "survey", to
>> prefer loadAll
>>
>> So I suggest that we rename loadDefault to loadAll
>>
>> And then decide if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration"
>> and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>>
>> Agreed?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 15/05/2017 à 20:55, Paul Mandeltort a écrit :
>>
>> Agreed! As a user who mainly pokes through at the top level scripts to
>>> integrate with the rest of my systems, this would be the most clear
>>> approach when looking at existing scripts.
>>>
>>> —P
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>>>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Beautifully said Mike!
>>>>
>>>> When we switched to gradle, we dropped all "shortcut" tasks (ant
>>>> targets)
>>>> and exposed users directly to the server, thereby combining and issuing
>>>> commands however the user desires.
>>>>
>>>> The only shortcut tasks we left in are "testIntegration" and
>>>> "loadDefault"
>>>> because we should be running them before applying every commit. So they
>>>> are
>>>> there as a convenience but even then I think removing them is better.
>>>>
>>>> If we remove them completely and instead get used to the below command
>>>> instead:
>>>>
>>>> ./gradlew cleanAll "ofbiz --load-data" "ofbiz --test"
>>>>
>>>> Then we will be have to understand these commands and avoid shortcuts
>>>> altogether. Everyone would understand how to control the server and
>>>> better
>>>> utilize it to fit their needs.
>>>>
>>>> So my recommendation is to actually remove loadDefault and
>>>> testIntegration.
>>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed,seed-initial,ext,ext-demo"
>>>>
>>>> Just leave it "as-is". These are historical. There is nothing gained
>>>> but
>>>> more confusion and out-dating of existing documentation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>> At the risk of bikeshedding...
>>>>>
>>>>> The "data" is redundant. What else would you "load" but "data"?
>>>>>
>>>>> loadAll 1 (best)
>>>>> loadDefault 2
>>>>> loadAllData 3
>>>>> loadData 4 (worst)
>>>>>
>>>>> loadData should be infinity. It's meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Foxworthy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 May 2017 at 02:45, Paul Mandeltort <pa...@marcospec.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I’m being a jerk and not following your directions so feel free
>>>>> to
>>>>> ignore me, but some unsolicited advice :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposed terms are still ambiguous. One of OFBiz’s biggest
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>> there’s a lot of shorthand and ambiguity which makes it really hard for
>>>>>> someone who occasionally digs in (like me) to figure out what’s going
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on.
>>>>> So I’m going to suggest a bit more verbosity:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Load-Data-All
>>>>>> Load-Data-Demo
>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed
>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed-Initial
>>>>>> Load-Data-External
>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Test
>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Demo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to parallel the concepts in the readme. Then at least you can follow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> concepts through the pipeline. Now the naming of those data loading
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tasks
>>>>> is another function as they are still confusion (seed vs seed initial
>>>>>
>>>>>> description is confusing!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • seed: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along with
>>>>>>
>>>>>> source
>>>>> and updated whenever a system deployment is updated
>>>>>
>>>>>> • seed-initial: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along
>>>>>>
>>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>> source like other seed data, but only loaded initially and not updated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> when
>>>>>
>>>>> a system is updated except manually reviewing each line
>>>>>> • demo: OFBiz Only Demo Data
>>>>>> • ext: External General Data (custom)
>>>>>> • ext-test: External Test Data (custom)
>>>>>> • ext-demo: External Demo Data (custom)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I’m hardly an expert, I’ve always appreciated the pattern of
>>>>>> parameters following a “Verb-Noun-Adjective” format. So in this case,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Load
>>>>>
>>>>> = Verb, Data = what, Adjective = what kind of data we’re loading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “ext” is also confusing, since it could be confused for “Extension”,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> that’s another discussion probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you’re a command-line warriors, you can add gradle autocomplete to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bash
>>>>>
>>>>> and Zsh:
>>>>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle-completion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> —P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 2017, 10:35 AM -0500, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following the discussion in this thread https://s.apache.org/9PBV we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> agreed to change the name of the Gradle task which load demo and all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before Gradle it was load-demo. It's currently loadDefault and in the
>>>>>> discussion came loadAll, loadData and loadAllData.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I propose an informal vote, more a survey, to decide which name we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> should use for this (important) task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please vote by giving a weight to each of 4 propositions:
>>>>>>> loadDefault
>>>>>>> loadAll
>>>>>>> loadData
>>>>>>> loadAllData
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance, here is my choice
>>>>>>> loadDefault 4
>>>>>>> loadData 3
>>>>>>> loadAll 2
>>>>>>> loadAllData 1
>>>>>>> which means that I prefer loadAllData over loadAll, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if we agree on the idea, we will pick the name with the smaller
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cumulated number from participants
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd
>>>>> PO Box 2773
>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: +61 3 9585 6788
>>>>> Web: http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/
>>>>> Email: info@coherentsoftware.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
In my mind it's 2 steps (in the 2nd we would move loadAll to tools) but I'm not much for that, because it complicate things for everybody, not only
committers
Jacques
Le 15/06/2017 à 11:23, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
> I am afraid you misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested removing all
> shortcut tasks, not renaming them.
>
> So either remove everything, or rename loadDefault. What you want to do as
> I undsrstand is rename loadDefault and remove testIntegration. Weird choice!
>
> On Jun 15, 2017 12:03 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without
> negative comments
>
> So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks
> "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>
> Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to not
> change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop". You just
> need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 20/05/2017 à 14:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>
>> OK, we partly came to something unexpected :)
>>
>> There is obviously a majority, in those who answered to the "survey", to
>> prefer loadAll
>>
>> So I suggest that we rename loadDefault to loadAll
>>
>> And then decide if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration"
>> and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>>
>> Agreed?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 15/05/2017 à 20:55, Paul Mandeltort a écrit :
>>
>>> Agreed! As a user who mainly pokes through at the top level scripts to
>>> integrate with the rest of my systems, this would be the most clear
>>> approach when looking at existing scripts.
>>>
>>> —P
>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>>>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Beautifully said Mike!
>>>>
>>>> When we switched to gradle, we dropped all "shortcut" tasks (ant targets)
>>>> and exposed users directly to the server, thereby combining and issuing
>>>> commands however the user desires.
>>>>
>>>> The only shortcut tasks we left in are "testIntegration" and
>>>> "loadDefault"
>>>> because we should be running them before applying every commit. So they
>>>> are
>>>> there as a convenience but even then I think removing them is better.
>>>>
>>>> If we remove them completely and instead get used to the below command
>>>> instead:
>>>>
>>>> ./gradlew cleanAll "ofbiz --load-data" "ofbiz --test"
>>>>
>>>> Then we will be have to understand these commands and avoid shortcuts
>>>> altogether. Everyone would understand how to control the server and
>>>> better
>>>> utilize it to fit their needs.
>>>>
>>>> So my recommendation is to actually remove loadDefault and
>>>> testIntegration.
>>>>
>>>> On May 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed,seed-initial,ext,ext-demo"
>>>>
>>>> Just leave it "as-is". These are historical. There is nothing gained
>>>> but
>>>> more confusion and out-dating of existing documentation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> At the risk of bikeshedding...
>>>>>
>>>>> The "data" is redundant. What else would you "load" but "data"?
>>>>>
>>>>> loadAll 1 (best)
>>>>> loadDefault 2
>>>>> loadAllData 3
>>>>> loadData 4 (worst)
>>>>>
>>>>> loadData should be infinity. It's meaningless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Foxworthy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 May 2017 at 02:45, Paul Mandeltort <pa...@marcospec.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I’m being a jerk and not following your directions so feel free
>>>>> to
>>>>> ignore me, but some unsolicited advice :-)
>>>>>> The proposed terms are still ambiguous. One of OFBiz’s biggest problems
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>> there’s a lot of shorthand and ambiguity which makes it really hard for
>>>>>> someone who occasionally digs in (like me) to figure out what’s going
>>>>>>
>>>>> on.
>>>>> So I’m going to suggest a bit more verbosity:
>>>>>> Load-Data-All
>>>>>> Load-Data-Demo
>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed
>>>>>> Load-Data-Seed-Initial
>>>>>> Load-Data-External
>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Test
>>>>>> Load-Data-External-Demo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to parallel the concepts in the readme. Then at least you can follow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> concepts through the pipeline. Now the naming of those data loading
>>>>>>
>>>>> tasks
>>>>> is another function as they are still confusion (seed vs seed initial
>>>>>> description is confusing!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> • seed: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along with
>>>>>>
>>>>> source
>>>>> and updated whenever a system deployment is updated
>>>>>> • seed-initial: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along
>>>>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>> source like other seed data, but only loaded initially and not updated
>>>>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>>
>>>>>> a system is updated except manually reviewing each line
>>>>>> • demo: OFBiz Only Demo Data
>>>>>> • ext: External General Data (custom)
>>>>>> • ext-test: External Test Data (custom)
>>>>>> • ext-demo: External Demo Data (custom)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I’m hardly an expert, I’ve always appreciated the pattern of
>>>>>> parameters following a “Verb-Noun-Adjective” format. So in this case,
>>>>>>
>>>>> Load
>>>>>
>>>>>> = Verb, Data = what, Adjective = what kind of data we’re loading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “ext” is also confusing, since it could be confused for “Extension”,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> that’s another discussion probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you’re a command-line warriors, you can add gradle autocomplete to
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bash
>>>>>
>>>>>> and Zsh:
>>>>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle-completion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> —P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 2017, 10:35 AM -0500, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>>> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following the discussion in this thread https://s.apache.org/9PBV we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> agreed to change the name of the Gradle task which load demo and all
>>>>>>
>>>>> data.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Before Gradle it was load-demo. It's currently loadDefault and in the
>>>>>> discussion came loadAll, loadData and loadAllData.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I propose an informal vote, more a survey, to decide which name we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> should use for this (important) task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please vote by giving a weight to each of 4 propositions:
>>>>>>> loadDefault
>>>>>>> loadAll
>>>>>>> loadData
>>>>>>> loadAllData
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance, here is my choice
>>>>>>> loadDefault 4
>>>>>>> loadData 3
>>>>>>> loadAll 2
>>>>>>> loadAllData 1
>>>>>>> which means that I prefer loadAllData over loadAll, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if we agree on the idea, we will pick the name with the smaller
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> cumulated number from participants
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd
>>>>> PO Box 2773
>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>>>>> Australia
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: +61 3 9585 6788
>>>>> Web: http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/
>>>>> Email: info@coherentsoftware.com.au
>>>>>
>>>>>
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Taher Alkhateeb <sl...@gmail.com>.
I am afraid you misunderstood my suggestion. I suggested removing all
shortcut tasks, not renaming them.
So either remove everything, or rename loadDefault. What you want to do as
I undsrstand is rename loadDefault and remove testIntegration. Weird choice!
On Jun 15, 2017 12:03 PM, "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
wrote:
Hi,
It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without
negative comments
So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks
"testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to not
change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop". You just
need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
Jacques
Le 20/05/2017 à 14:54, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
> OK, we partly came to something unexpected :)
>
> There is obviously a majority, in those who answered to the "survey", to
> prefer loadAll
>
> So I suggest that we rename loadDefault to loadAll
>
> And then decide if we want to move the 2 Gradle tasks "testIntegration"
> and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
>
> Agreed?
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 15/05/2017 à 20:55, Paul Mandeltort a écrit :
>
>> Agreed! As a user who mainly pokes through at the top level scripts to
>> integrate with the rest of my systems, this would be the most clear
>> approach when looking at existing scripts.
>>
>> —P
>>
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Taher Alkhateeb <
>>> slidingfilaments@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beautifully said Mike!
>>>
>>> When we switched to gradle, we dropped all "shortcut" tasks (ant targets)
>>> and exposed users directly to the server, thereby combining and issuing
>>> commands however the user desires.
>>>
>>> The only shortcut tasks we left in are "testIntegration" and
>>> "loadDefault"
>>> because we should be running them before applying every commit. So they
>>> are
>>> there as a convenience but even then I think removing them is better.
>>>
>>> If we remove them completely and instead get used to the below command
>>> instead:
>>>
>>> ./gradlew cleanAll "ofbiz --load-data" "ofbiz --test"
>>>
>>> Then we will be have to understand these commands and avoid shortcuts
>>> altogether. Everyone would understand how to control the server and
>>> better
>>> utilize it to fit their needs.
>>>
>>> So my recommendation is to actually remove loadDefault and
>>> testIntegration.
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Mike" <mz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> gradlew "ofbiz --load-data readers=seed,seed-initial,ext,ext-demo"
>>>
>>> Just leave it "as-is". These are historical. There is nothing gained
>>> but
>>> more confusion and out-dating of existing documentation.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Paul Foxworthy <pa...@cohsoft.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of bikeshedding...
>>>>
>>>> The "data" is redundant. What else would you "load" but "data"?
>>>>
>>>> loadAll 1 (best)
>>>> loadDefault 2
>>>> loadAllData 3
>>>> loadData 4 (worst)
>>>>
>>>> loadData should be infinity. It's meaningless.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Paul Foxworthy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 May 2017 at 02:45, Paul Mandeltort <pa...@marcospec.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I’m being a jerk and not following your directions so feel free
>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> ignore me, but some unsolicited advice :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> The proposed terms are still ambiguous. One of OFBiz’s biggest problems
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> there’s a lot of shorthand and ambiguity which makes it really hard for
>>>>> someone who occasionally digs in (like me) to figure out what’s going
>>>>>
>>>> on.
>>>
>>>> So I’m going to suggest a bit more verbosity:
>>>>>
>>>>> Load-Data-All
>>>>> Load-Data-Demo
>>>>> Load-Data-Seed
>>>>> Load-Data-Seed-Initial
>>>>> Load-Data-External
>>>>> Load-Data-External-Test
>>>>> Load-Data-External-Demo
>>>>>
>>>>> to parallel the concepts in the readme. Then at least you can follow
>>>>> the
>>>>> concepts through the pipeline. Now the naming of those data loading
>>>>>
>>>> tasks
>>>
>>>> is another function as they are still confusion (seed vs seed initial
>>>>> description is confusing!).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> • seed: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along with
>>>>>
>>>> source
>>>
>>>> and updated whenever a system deployment is updated
>>>>> • seed-initial: OFBiz and External Seed Data - to be maintained along
>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>> source like other seed data, but only loaded initially and not updated
>>>>>
>>>> when
>>>>
>>>>> a system is updated except manually reviewing each line
>>>>> • demo: OFBiz Only Demo Data
>>>>> • ext: External General Data (custom)
>>>>> • ext-test: External Test Data (custom)
>>>>> • ext-demo: External Demo Data (custom)
>>>>>
>>>>> While I’m hardly an expert, I’ve always appreciated the pattern of
>>>>> parameters following a “Verb-Noun-Adjective” format. So in this case,
>>>>>
>>>> Load
>>>>
>>>>> = Verb, Data = what, Adjective = what kind of data we’re loading.
>>>>>
>>>>> “ext” is also confusing, since it could be confused for “Extension”,
>>>>> but
>>>>> that’s another discussion probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you’re a command-line warriors, you can add gradle autocomplete to
>>>>>
>>>> Bash
>>>>
>>>>> and Zsh:
>>>>> https://github.com/gradle/gradle-completion
>>>>>
>>>>> —P
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 12, 2017, 10:35 AM -0500, Jacques Le Roux <
>>>>> jacques.le.roux@les7arts.com>, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following the discussion in this thread https://s.apache.org/9PBV we
>>>>>>
>>>>> agreed to change the name of the Gradle task which load demo and all
>>>>>
>>>> data.
>>>>
>>>>> Before Gradle it was load-demo. It's currently loadDefault and in the
>>>>>>
>>>>> discussion came loadAll, loadData and loadAllData.
>>>>>
>>>>>> So I propose an informal vote, more a survey, to decide which name we
>>>>>>
>>>>> should use for this (important) task.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please vote by giving a weight to each of 4 propositions:
>>>>>> loadDefault
>>>>>> loadAll
>>>>>> loadData
>>>>>> loadAllData
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, here is my choice
>>>>>> loadDefault 4
>>>>>> loadData 3
>>>>>> loadAll 2
>>>>>> loadAllData 1
>>>>>> which means that I prefer loadAllData over loadAll, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if we agree on the idea, we will pick the name with the smaller
>>>>>>
>>>>> cumulated number from participants
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd
>>>> PO Box 2773
>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192
>>>> Australia
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +61 3 9585 6788
>>>> Web: http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/
>>>> Email: info@coherentsoftware.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: [SURVEY] Name for the task which load demo and all data
Posted by Michael Brohl <mi...@ecomify.de>.
Hi Jacques,
Am 15.06.17 um 11:03 schrieb Jacques Le Roux:
> Hi,
>
> It's near a month I suggested to rename loadDefault by loadAll without
> negative comments
I'm fine with this.
We should promptly update all documentation and wiki pages accordingly
to prevent confusion and unneccessary questions in the mailing lists. If
there is no time to update, we should wait until we can do it.
>
> So I'll do it soon and will then ask if we want to move the 2 Gradle
> tasks "testIntegration" and "loadDefault" as scripts in the tools branch.
If we remove them, please update the documentation accordingly also.
>
> Though it's not really the antonym of start, I finally have decided to
> not change "ofbizBackground --shutdown " to ofbizBackground --stop".
> You just need to get used to it, please speak if you think we should.
I would leave it as is.
Thanks,
Michael Brohl
ecomify GmbH
www.ecomify.de