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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> on 2011/01/18 13:08:32 UTC
html5 lib
hi,
where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code?
Like what folder etc ?
It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper
(release often - release early)
-M
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Re: html5 lib
Posted by Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ali,
+1 to
> What about http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/ ?
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/
but myfaces-shared-html5 should be a module of myfaces shared itself
(like shared-impl and shared-tomahawk).
Regards,
Jakob
2011/3/8 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>:
> Hi,
> Current location of the code is :
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/
> and subprojects:
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/
> What about http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/ ?
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/
> * http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/
>
> I remember I've read about a decision not adding another top level folder
> (not 100% sure). Is that so?
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> let me use that...
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (--> MFCOMMONS).
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jakob
>> >
>> > Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf
>> > <ma...@apache.org>:
>> >> the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -)
>> >> :-)
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> +1 for a new jira project
>> >>> regards,
>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>
>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>
>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Question:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
>> >>>> Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -M
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>> <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > Nope
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>>> >> Hi,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we
>> >>>> >> need
>> >>>> >> voting for this?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Cheers,Ali
>> >>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Hi,
>> >>>> >> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback"
>> >>>> >> facet.
>> >>>> >> But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far,
>> >>>> >> I've
>> >>>> >> experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some
>> >>>> >> components,
>> >>>> >> behaviors and etc.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some
>> >>>> >> features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users
>> >>>> >> to plug in
>> >>>> >> their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established
>> >>>> >> pattern
>> >>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a
>> >>>> >> Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the
>> >>>> >> support for
>> >>>> >> features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback
>> >>>> >> to old
>> >>>> >> stuff.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly
>> >>>> >> designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the
>> >>>> >> component, but not
>> >>>> >> it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing
>> >>>> >> fallbacks, as
>> >>>> >> nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5
>> >>>> >> elements, but
>> >>>> >> ignore it's non-applicable children.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
>> >>>> >> Greetings,Ali
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic),
>> >>>> >> just
>> >>>> >> for getting the 'big picture':
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible
>> >>>> >> browsers.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers?
>> >>>> >> Or do
>> >>>> >> we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in
>> >>>> >> this case?
>> >>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established
>> >>>> >> pattern
>> >>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> LieGrue,
>> >>>> >> strub
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <--
>> >> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>
>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jakob Korherr
>> >
>> > blog: http://www.jakobk.com
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
>> > work: http://www.irian.at
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
--
Jakob Korherr
blog: http://www.jakobk.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
work: http://www.irian.at
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
Current location of the code is :
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/
and subprojects:
*
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/
*
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/
*
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/
What about http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/ ?
* http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-core/
*
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/html5-comp-lib-examples/
* http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/html5/trunk/myfaces-shared-html5/
<http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/myfaces/gsoc/html5-comp-lib/>I remember
I've read about a decision not adding another top level folder (not 100%
sure). Is that so?
Cheers,
Ali
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>wrote:
> +1
>
> let me use that...
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (--> MFCOMMONS).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jakob
> >
> > Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf <
> matzew@apache.org>:
> >> the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -)
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard <ge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> +1 for a new jira project
> >>> regards,
> >>> gerhard
> >>>
> >>> http://www.irian.at
> >>>
> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
> >>> Courses in English and German
> >>>
> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> Question:
> >>>>
> >>>> Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
> >>>> Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
> >>>>
> >>>> I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
> >>>>
> >>>> -M
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <
> matzew@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > Nope
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>>> >> Hi,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we
> need
> >>>> >> voting for this?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Cheers,Ali
> >>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Hi,
> >>>> >> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback"
> facet.
> >>>> >> But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far,
> I've
> >>>> >> experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some
> components,
> >>>> >> behaviors and etc.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some
> >>>> >> features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to
> plug in
> >>>> >> their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established
> pattern
> >>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a
> >>>> >> Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the
> support for
> >>>> >> features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback
> to old
> >>>> >> stuff.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly
> >>>> >> designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component,
> but not
> >>>> >> it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing
> fallbacks, as
> >>>> >> nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5
> elements, but
> >>>> >> ignore it's non-applicable children.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
> >>>> >> Greetings,Ali
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic),
> just
> >>>> >> for getting the 'big picture':
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible
> browsers.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or
> do
> >>>> >> we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in
> this case?
> >>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established
> pattern
> >>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> LieGrue,
> >>>> >> strub
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <--
> >> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>
> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Jakob Korherr
> >
> > blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> > work: http://www.irian.at
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
+1
let me use that...
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (--> MFCOMMONS).
>
> Regards,
> Jakob
>
> Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -)
>> :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> +1 for a new jira project
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>> http://www.irian.at
>>>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>>> Courses in English and German
>>>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> Question:
>>>>
>>>> Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
>>>> Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
>>>>
>>>> I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
>>>>
>>>> -M
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Nope
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need
>>>> >> voting for this?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,Ali
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi,
>>>> >> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet.
>>>> >> But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've
>>>> >> experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components,
>>>> >> behaviors and etc.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some
>>>> >> features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in
>>>> >> their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a
>>>> >> Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the support for
>>>> >> features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old
>>>> >> stuff.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly
>>>> >> designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not
>>>> >> it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as
>>>> >> nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but
>>>> >> ignore it's non-applicable children.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
>>>> >> Greetings,Ali
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just
>>>> >> for getting the 'big picture':
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do
>>>> >> we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
>>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> LieGrue,
>>>> >> strub
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <--
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>
> --
> Jakob Korherr
>
> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> work: http://www.irian.at
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>.
Maybe MFHTML5 like we did in MyFaces commons (--> MFCOMMONS).
Regards,
Jakob
Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -)
> :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for a new jira project
>> regards,
>> gerhard
>>
>> http://www.irian.at
>>
>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> Courses in English and German
>>
>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> Question:
>>>
>>> Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
>>> Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
>>>
>>> I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Nope
>>> >
>>> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need
>>> >> voting for this?
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,Ali
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet.
>>> >> But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've
>>> >> experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components,
>>> >> behaviors and etc.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some
>>> >> features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in
>>> >> their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a
>>> >> Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the support for
>>> >> features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old
>>> >> stuff.
>>> >>
>>> >> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly
>>> >> designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not
>>> >> it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as
>>> >> nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but
>>> >> ignore it's non-applicable children.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
>>> >> Greetings,Ali
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just
>>> >> for getting the 'big picture':
>>> >>
>>> >> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>>> >>
>>> >> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do
>>> >> we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
>>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>>> >>
>>> >> LieGrue,
>>> >> strub
>>> >>
>>> >> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <--
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
--
Jakob Korherr
blog: http://www.jakobk.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
work: http://www.irian.at
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
the issue is, something like MYFACES-HTML5 does not work (because of -)
:-)
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard <ge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for a new jira project
> regards,
> gerhard
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
>
>
> 2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>
>> Question:
>>
>> Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
>> Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
>>
>> I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
>>
>> -M
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Nope
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need
>> >> voting for this?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,Ali
>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet.
>> >> But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've
>> >> experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components,
>> >> behaviors and etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some
>> >> features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in
>> >> their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a
>> >> Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the support for
>> >> features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old
>> >> stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly
>> >> designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not
>> >> it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as
>> >> nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but
>> >> ignore it's non-applicable children.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
>> >> Greetings,Ali
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just
>> >> for getting the 'big picture':
>> >>
>> >> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do
>> >> we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
>> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>> >> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>> >>
>> >> LieGrue,
>> >> strub
>> >>
>> >> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: html5 lib
>> >>> To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> totally - let's create a jira instance for
>> >>>
>> >>> myfaces-html5 ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
>> >>> discussed.
>> >>>
>> >>> -M
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Hi,
>> >>> > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
>> >>> have a request
>> >>> > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
>> >>> use of other people, I
>> >>> > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
>> >>> > What do you think about that?
>> >>> > Greetings,
>> >>> > Ali
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr
>> >>> > <ja...@gmail.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hi,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
>> >>> lib (of course, only
>> >>> >> after a successful vote).
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Regards,
>> >>> >> Jakob
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> >>> >> > hi,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
>> >>> Ali did during summer of
>> >>> >> > code?
>> >>> >> > Like what folder etc ?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
>> >>> location should be a
>> >>> >> > stopper
>> >>> >> > (release often - release early)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > -M
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> Jakob Korherr
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
>> >>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
>> >>> >> work: http://www.irian.at
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
>> >>>
>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >
>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Gerhard <ge...@gmail.com>.
+1 for a new jira project
regards,
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2011/1/20 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> Question:
>
> Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
> Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
>
> I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
>
> -M
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Nope
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need
> voting for this?
> >>
> >> Cheers,Ali
> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet. But
> I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've
> experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components,
> behaviors and etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some
> features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in
> their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a
> Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the support for
> features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old
> stuff.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly
> designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not
> it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as
> nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but
> ignore it's non-applicable children.
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
> >> Greetings,Ali
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> >> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for
> getting the 'big picture':
> >>
> >> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
> >>
> >> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do
> we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
> >> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
> >>
> >> LieGrue,
> >> strub
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: html5 lib
> >>> To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> totally - let's create a jira instance for
> >>>
> >>> myfaces-html5 ?
> >>>
> >>> Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
> >>> discussed.
> >>>
> >>> -M
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
> >>> have a request
> >>> > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
> >>> use of other people, I
> >>> > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
> >>> > What do you think about that?
> >>> > Greetings,
> >>> > Ali
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <
> jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
> >>> lib (of course, only
> >>> >> after a successful vote).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Regards,
> >>> >> Jakob
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >>> >> > hi,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
> >>> Ali did during summer of
> >>> >> > code?
> >>> >> > Like what folder etc ?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
> >>> location should be a
> >>> >> > stopper
> >>> >> > (release often - release early)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > -M
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > --
> >>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Jakob Korherr
> >>> >>
> >>> >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> >>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> >>> >> work: http://www.irian.at
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Matthias Wessendorf
> >>>
> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Question:
Should we add a new JIRA project (MYFACESHTML5)
Or is it enough to have a HTML5 component ?
I personally don't mind having a new project for it..
-M
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Nope
>
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this?
>>
>> Cheers,Ali
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc.
>>
>>
>> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff.
>>
>> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children.
>>
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
>> Greetings,Ali
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture':
>>
>> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>>
>> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
>> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: html5 lib
>>> To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> totally - let's create a jira instance for
>>>
>>> myfaces-html5 ?
>>>
>>> Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
>>> discussed.
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
>>> have a request
>>> > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
>>> use of other people, I
>>> > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
>>> > What do you think about that?
>>> > Greetings,
>>> > Ali
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
>>> lib (of course, only
>>> >> after a successful vote).
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Jakob
>>> >>
>>> >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>>> >> > hi,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
>>> Ali did during summer of
>>> >> > code?
>>> >> > Like what folder etc ?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
>>> location should be a
>>> >> > stopper
>>> >> > (release often - release early)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -M
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>>> >> >
>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Jakob Korherr
>>> >>
>>> >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
>>> >> work: http://www.irian.at
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>>
>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Nope
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?Do we need voting for this?
>
> Cheers,Ali
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet. But I can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and etc.
>
>
> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their fallbacks.That would be an important part of this project.
>
>
>
>
> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.There is a Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or fallback to old stuff.
>
> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore it's non-applicable children.
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
> Greetings,Ali
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture':
>
> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>
> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: html5 lib
>> To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
>> Hi,
>>
>> totally - let's create a jira instance for
>>
>> myfaces-html5 ?
>>
>> Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
>> discussed.
>>
>> -M
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
>> have a request
>> > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
>> use of other people, I
>> > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
>> > What do you think about that?
>> > Greetings,
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
>> lib (of course, only
>> >> after a successful vote).
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Jakob
>> >>
>> >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> >> > hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
>> Ali did during summer of
>> >> > code?
>> >> > Like what folder etc ?
>> >> >
>> >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
>> location should be a
>> >> > stopper
>> >> > (release often - release early)
>> >> >
>> >> > -M
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >> >
>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jakob Korherr
>> >>
>> >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
>> >> work: http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matthias Wessendorf
>>
>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
totally - let's create a jira instance for myfaces-html5 ?
Do we need voting for this?
Cheers,
Ali
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet. But I
> can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented
> Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and
> etc.
>
> Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features,
> it is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their
> fallbacks.
> That would be an important part of this project.
>
> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for
>> this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>
> There is a Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the
> support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or
> fallback to old stuff.
> Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed
> in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's
> children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested
> elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore
> it's non-applicable children.
>
> [1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
>
> Greetings,
> Ali
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for
>> getting the 'big picture':
>>
>> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>>
>> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we
>> just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
>> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern
>> for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
>> > Subject: Re: html5 lib
>> > To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
>> > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > totally - let's create a jira instance for
>> >
>> > myfaces-html5 ?
>> >
>> > Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
>> > discussed.
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
>> > have a request
>> > > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
>> > use of other people, I
>> > > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
>> > > What do you think about that?
>> > > Greetings,
>> > > Ali
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <
>> jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
>> > lib (of course, only
>> > >> after a successful vote).
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Jakob
>> > >>
>> > >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> > >> > hi,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
>> > Ali did during summer of
>> > >> > code?
>> > >> > Like what folder etc ?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
>> > location should be a
>> > >> > stopper
>> > >> > (release often - release early)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -M
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> > >> >
>> > >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> > >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> > >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Jakob Korherr
>> > >>
>> > >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
>> > >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
>> > >> work: http://www.irian.at
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
>> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >
>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
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Re: html5 lib
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
For example, for the hx:video component there is a "fallback" facet. But I
can't say we're able cope with this problem (yet). So far, I've experimented
Html5, CSS and other Javascript APIs; created some components, behaviors and
etc.
Providing fallbacks automatically is not that easy and for some features, it
is impossible. Of course, we would have allow users to plug in their
fallbacks.
That would be an important part of this project.
How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for
> this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
There is a Javascript library called "Modernizr" [1] which can detect the
support for features. AFAIK, people use that to use Html5 features or
fallback to old stuff.
Furthermore, Html side of the Html5 (Html + JS APIs + CSS3) mostly designed
in a way that old browsers will just ignore the component, but not it's
children elements. So, that is another way of providing fallbacks, as nested
elements, since new browsers will consider the Html5 elements, but ignore
it's non-applicable children.
[1] https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr
Greetings,
Ali
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for
> getting the 'big picture':
>
> The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
>
> Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we
> just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
> How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for
> this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
> --- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: html5 lib
> > To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
> > Hi,
> >
> > totally - let's create a jira instance for
> >
> > myfaces-html5 ?
> >
> > Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
> > discussed.
> >
> > -M
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
> > have a request
> > > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
> > use of other people, I
> > > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
> > > What do you think about that?
> > > Greetings,
> > > Ali
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <
> jakob.korherr@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
> > lib (of course, only
> > >> after a successful vote).
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Jakob
> > >>
> > >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> > >> > hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
> > Ali did during summer of
> > >> > code?
> > >> > Like what folder etc ?
> > >> >
> > >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
> > location should be a
> > >> > stopper
> > >> > (release often - release early)
> > >> >
> > >> > -M
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > >> >
> > >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jakob Korherr
> > >>
> > >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> > >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> > >> work: http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
>
>
>
>
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Please allow me a question (I'm a complete noob on this topic), just for getting the 'big picture':
The html5 components are obviously only for html-5 compatible browsers.
Is there a strategy to also serve older (xhtml-4 only) browsers? Or do we just show them a 'not available for your old browser' page in this case?
How do others cope with this situation? Is there an established pattern for this case? If so, then we should add it to our WIKI.
LieGrue,
strub
--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> From: Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: html5 lib
> To: "MyFaces Development" <de...@myfaces.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
> Hi,
>
> totally - let's create a jira instance for
>
> myfaces-html5 ?
>
> Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been
> discussed.
>
> -M
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I
> have a request
> > related to this context. To ease the contribution and
> use of other people, I
> > think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
> > What do you think about that?
> > Greetings,
> > Ali
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component
> lib (of course, only
> >> after a successful vote).
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Jakob
> >>
> >> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> >> > hi,
> >> >
> >> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that
> Ali did during summer of
> >> > code?
> >> > Like what folder etc ?
> >> >
> >> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the
> location should be a
> >> > stopper
> >> > (release often - release early)
> >> >
> >> > -M
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >> >
> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jakob Korherr
> >>
> >> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> >> work: http://www.irian.at
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi,
totally - let's create a jira instance for
myfaces-html5 ?
Hudson builds can done, once the final location has been discussed.
-M
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
> I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request
> related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I
> think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
> What do you think about that?
> Greetings,
> Ali
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only
>> after a successful vote).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jakob
>>
>> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of
>> > code?
>> > Like what folder etc ?
>> >
>> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a
>> > stopper
>> > (release often - release early)
>> >
>> > -M
>> >
>> > --
>> > Matthias Wessendorf
>> >
>> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
>> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jakob Korherr
>>
>> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
>> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
>> work: http://www.irian.at
>
>
>
> --
> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
>
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr>.
Hi,
I don't have any suggestions about the location, but I have a request
related to this context. To ease the contribution and use of other people, I
think a Hudson build and JIRA space would be useful.
What do you think about that?
Greetings,
Ali
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only
> after a successful vote).
>
> Regards,
> Jakob
>
> 2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> > hi,
> >
> > where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of
> code?
> > Like what folder etc ?
> >
> > It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper
> > (release often - release early)
> >
> > -M
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> >
> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jakob Korherr
>
> blog: http://www.jakobk.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
> work: http://www.irian.at
>
--
My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr
Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr
Re: html5 lib
Posted by Jakob Korherr <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
IMO we should add it as a new MyFaces component lib (of course, only
after a successful vote).
Regards,
Jakob
2011/1/18 Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>:
> hi,
>
> where should we place the html5 stuff, that Ali did during summer of code?
> Like what folder etc ?
>
> It's time to get a first alpha out.. and the location should be a stopper
> (release often - release early)
>
> -M
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
>
> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/
> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf
> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
>
--
Jakob Korherr
blog: http://www.jakobk.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr
work: http://www.irian.at