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Question about upgrading Sorl and DocValues

Hi,

After the reading this link about DocValues and be pointed by Mark Miller to
raise the question on the mailing list, I have some questions about the
codec implementation note:

"Note that only the default implementation is supported by future version of
Lucene: if you try an alternative format, you may need to switch back to the
default and rewrite your index (e.g. forceMerge) before upgrading."

My questions is about how I can do this, either the wiki or the ref guide
don't explain how this process can be done.

I'm using the per-field DocValues formats, therefore I'm not using the
default implementation, and this in some way this scare me, because I have
in some way the possibility of make Solr updates compromised.

/Yago



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Re: Question about upgrading Sorl and DocValues

Posted by Yago Riveiro <ya...@gmail.com>.
Other question, 

Can someone confirm that I can upgrade from 4.5.1 to 4.6 in a safety and clean way (without optimises and all stuff)?

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On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Yago Riveiro wrote:

> Shawn, 
> 
> This setup has big implication and I think that this problem is not describe in proper way either wiki or ref.. guide and how can be overcame (all the process that you describes).
> 
> +1 to find a way to upgrade without reindexing the data, I have not space enough to do an optimize of 3T and respective replicas (not to mention the time it would take). 
> 
> -- 
> Yago Riveiro
> Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> 
> > On 11/19/2013 4:10 PM, yriveiro wrote:
> > > After the reading this link about DocValues and be pointed by Mark Miller to
> > > raise the question on the mailing list, I have some questions about the
> > > codec implementation note:
> > > 
> > > "Note that only the default implementation is supported by future version of
> > > Lucene: if you try an alternative format, you may need to switch back to the
> > > default and rewrite your index (e.g. forceMerge) before upgrading."
> > > 
> > > My questions is about how I can do this, either the wiki or the ref guide
> > > don't explain how this process can be done.
> > > 
> > > I'm using the per-field DocValues formats, therefore I'm not using the
> > > default implementation, and this in some way this scare me, because I have
> > > in some way the possibility of make Solr updates compromised.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > The way I understand what you've been told is this:
> > 
> > Remove all docValuesFormat attributes from your schema. Restart/Reload 
> > and optimize (forceMerge) your index. At this point you should be able 
> > to upgrade Solr without any problems. Once you're upgraded, re-add the 
> > docValuesFormat attributes and optimize again.
> > 
> > Mark and other experts - is this correct?
> > 
> > I do fully understand that your index is HUGE, so optimizing it is not 
> > trivial.
> > 
> > IMHO upgrades should be possible with the disk-based format. Having very 
> > large indexes is the primary reason that people choose the disk-based 
> > format. These are the people who are least likely to be able to either 
> > reindex or run an optimize.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Shawn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


Re: Question about upgrading Sorl and DocValues

Posted by Yago Riveiro <ya...@gmail.com>.
Shawn, 

This setup has big implication and I think that this problem is not describe in proper way either wiki or ref.. guide and how can be overcame (all the process that you describes).

+1 to find a way to upgrade without reindexing the data, I have not space enough to do an optimize of 3T and respective replicas (not to mention the time it would take). 

-- 
Yago Riveiro
Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)


On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Shawn Heisey wrote:

> On 11/19/2013 4:10 PM, yriveiro wrote:
> > After the reading this link about DocValues and be pointed by Mark Miller to
> > raise the question on the mailing list, I have some questions about the
> > codec implementation note:
> > 
> > "Note that only the default implementation is supported by future version of
> > Lucene: if you try an alternative format, you may need to switch back to the
> > default and rewrite your index (e.g. forceMerge) before upgrading."
> > 
> > My questions is about how I can do this, either the wiki or the ref guide
> > don't explain how this process can be done.
> > 
> > I'm using the per-field DocValues formats, therefore I'm not using the
> > default implementation, and this in some way this scare me, because I have
> > in some way the possibility of make Solr updates compromised.
> > 
> 
> 
> The way I understand what you've been told is this:
> 
> Remove all docValuesFormat attributes from your schema. Restart/Reload 
> and optimize (forceMerge) your index. At this point you should be able 
> to upgrade Solr without any problems. Once you're upgraded, re-add the 
> docValuesFormat attributes and optimize again.
> 
> Mark and other experts - is this correct?
> 
> I do fully understand that your index is HUGE, so optimizing it is not 
> trivial.
> 
> IMHO upgrades should be possible with the disk-based format. Having very 
> large indexes is the primary reason that people choose the disk-based 
> format. These are the people who are least likely to be able to either 
> reindex or run an optimize.
> 
> Thanks,
> Shawn
> 
> 



Re: Question about upgrading Sorl and DocValues

Posted by Shawn Heisey <so...@elyograg.org>.
On 11/19/2013 4:10 PM, yriveiro wrote:
> After the reading this link about DocValues and be pointed by Mark Miller to
> raise the question on the mailing list, I have some questions about the
> codec implementation note:
>
> "Note that only the default implementation is supported by future version of
> Lucene: if you try an alternative format, you may need to switch back to the
> default and rewrite your index (e.g. forceMerge) before upgrading."
>
> My questions is about how I can do this, either the wiki or the ref guide
> don't explain how this process can be done.
>
> I'm using the per-field DocValues formats, therefore I'm not using the
> default implementation, and this in some way this scare me, because I have
> in some way the possibility of make Solr updates compromised.

The way I understand what you've been told is this:

Remove all docValuesFormat attributes from your schema. Restart/Reload 
and optimize (forceMerge) your index.  At this point you should be able 
to upgrade Solr without any problems. Once you're upgraded, re-add the 
docValuesFormat attributes and optimize again.

Mark and other experts - is this correct?

I do fully understand that your index is HUGE, so optimizing it is not 
trivial.

IMHO upgrades should be possible with the disk-based format. Having very 
large indexes is the primary reason that people choose the disk-based 
format.  These are the people who are least likely to be able to either 
reindex or run an optimize.

Thanks,
Shawn