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Default font FOP and Adobe
I have an .xsl file that creates a *.fo file and then there is the generation
of pdf.
When I use a name for the font that does not exist in the configuration
file, the pdf is created with default font Times New Roman. Isn't Helvetica
the default font for FOP?
I am using fop 0.94.
Thank you...
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Re: Default font FOP and Adobe
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>.
On 08.11.2007 09:10:52 juanita wrote:
>
> Yes I've seen the document properties font list I just could not be sure if
> these
> fonts are set because of FOP or because of Adobe.Can I also ask something
> else?
> (promise it will be the last:) )
:-) It's really no problem.
> I've seen in the document properties font list that when the fonts are not
> embedded
> but are referenced the encoding is ANSI. while when there are embedded the
> encoding is Identity-H (and the true type is CID).
> The thing is that with ANSI some characters (e.g. greek) are substitued
> wrongly.
> Is there any way to control this by Fop.?It is important for me to use fonts
> by reference.
I'm afraid, FOP can't handle CID fonts without embedding them in PDF at
the moment. That would take some work to make possible.
> Thanks again..
<snip/>
Jeremias Maerki
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Re: Default font FOP and Adobe
Posted by Vincent Hennebert <vi...@anyware-tech.com>.
Hi,
Some nitpick from a typography amateur :-)
Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> I'm going to add this missing piece to our documentation right now.
> BTW,
> "any" is not mapped to "Times New Roman", but to "Times Roman". I don't
> know if there's a difference between the two. Probably not, nowadays,
There is. Times Roman is the original typeface created in 1931 for the
newspaper The Times [1]. It forms the base of the Postscript font
developed by Linotype and originally used as one of the Base 14 fonts of
PDF.
The URW Nimbus Roman No9 L font that can be found on Linux systems is
a clone of this font. The Times New Roman font is a TrueType font
developed by Monotype for Microsoft and whose metrics match the metrics
of the original Times font, so that it can be used as a replacement.
The case of Helvetica is very similar. Arial was also developed by
Monotype for Microsoft to match Helvetica’s metrics (see [2]).
I won’t enter the details, but this is all a problem of competition, at
the time, between Adobe and Microsoft, Postscript and TrueType fonts,
and license fees. I will also not launch the usual purist debate on this
topic ;-) The fact is that nowadays on Windows boxes Times New Roman and
Arial are always used as a replacement for Times and Helvetica, and
among others as Base 14 fonts for the Adobe Reader.
<snip/>
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Roman
[2] http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html
(Oops, my geek score has suddenly increased...)
Cheers,
Vincent
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Re: Default font FOP and Adobe
Posted by juanita <io...@trasys.gr>.
Yes I've seen the document properties font list I just could not be sure if
these
fonts are set because of FOP or because of Adobe.Can I also ask something
else?
(promise it will be the last:) )
I've seen in the document properties font list that when the fonts are not
embedded
but are referenced the encoding is ANSI. while when there are embedded the
encoding is Identity-H (and the true type is CID).
The thing is that with ANSI some characters (e.g. greek) are substitued
wrongly.
Is there any way to control this by Fop.?It is important for me to use fonts
by reference.
Thanks again..
Jeremias Maerki-2 wrote:
>
> I'm sorry Juanita, but we can probably spend the whole day documenting
> and someone might still find some little detail missing. Everyone can
> easily find out what font is used for "any" by looking at the fonts list
> in Acrobat Reader's Document Properties dialog.
>
> I'm going to add this missing piece to our documentation right now. BTW,
> "any" is not mapped to "Times New Roman", but to "Times Roman". I don't
> know if there's a difference between the two. Probably not, nowadays,
> since Adobe maps "Times Roman" to "Times New Roman" in recent versions
> of Acrobat Reader. They also map "Helvetica" to "Arial" and there
> definitely is a difference there.
>
> Jeremias Maerki
>
>
>
> On 08.11.2007 08:36:12 juanita wrote:
>>
>> Yes I do have control over the font family.
>> However I wanted to know what is happening if
>> the font family label stays empty.So it is replaced by default by Times
>> New
>> Roman.
>> So when in the console I see something like Verdana not found,
>> substituing
>> with
>> "any, 200, ...) this "any" is Times New Roman?
>> However I can't find anywhere in the Apache FOP page that the default
>> font
>> is
>> Times New Roman...
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremias Maerki-2 wrote:
>> >
>> > No, FOP uses Times. It has been so since I joined the project. Shrug.
>> >
>> > But you have control over the font-family property, right?
>> >
>> > Jeremias Maerki
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 07.11.2007 15:50:22 juanita wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have an .xsl file that creates a *.fo file and then there is the
>> >> generation
>> >> of pdf.
>> >> When I use a name for the font that does not exist in the
>> configuration
>> >> file, the pdf is created with default font Times New Roman. Isn't
>> >> Helvetica
>> >> the default font for FOP?
>> >> I am using fop 0.94.
>
>
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Re: Default font FOP and Adobe
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>.
I'm sorry Juanita, but we can probably spend the whole day documenting
and someone might still find some little detail missing. Everyone can
easily find out what font is used for "any" by looking at the fonts list
in Acrobat Reader's Document Properties dialog.
I'm going to add this missing piece to our documentation right now. BTW,
"any" is not mapped to "Times New Roman", but to "Times Roman". I don't
know if there's a difference between the two. Probably not, nowadays,
since Adobe maps "Times Roman" to "Times New Roman" in recent versions
of Acrobat Reader. They also map "Helvetica" to "Arial" and there
definitely is a difference there.
Jeremias Maerki
On 08.11.2007 08:36:12 juanita wrote:
>
> Yes I do have control over the font family.
> However I wanted to know what is happening if
> the font family label stays empty.So it is replaced by default by Times New
> Roman.
> So when in the console I see something like Verdana not found, substituing
> with
> "any, 200, ...) this "any" is Times New Roman?
> However I can't find anywhere in the Apache FOP page that the default font
> is
> Times New Roman...
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki-2 wrote:
> >
> > No, FOP uses Times. It has been so since I joined the project. Shrug.
> >
> > But you have control over the font-family property, right?
> >
> > Jeremias Maerki
> >
> >
> >
> > On 07.11.2007 15:50:22 juanita wrote:
> >>
> >> I have an .xsl file that creates a *.fo file and then there is the
> >> generation
> >> of pdf.
> >> When I use a name for the font that does not exist in the configuration
> >> file, the pdf is created with default font Times New Roman. Isn't
> >> Helvetica
> >> the default font for FOP?
> >> I am using fop 0.94.
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Re: Default font FOP and Adobe
Posted by juanita <io...@trasys.gr>.
Yes I do have control over the font family.
However I wanted to know what is happening if
the font family label stays empty.So it is replaced by default by Times New
Roman.
So when in the console I see something like Verdana not found, substituing
with
"any, 200, ...) this "any" is Times New Roman?
However I can't find anywhere in the Apache FOP page that the default font
is
Times New Roman...
Jeremias Maerki-2 wrote:
>
> No, FOP uses Times. It has been so since I joined the project. Shrug.
>
> But you have control over the font-family property, right?
>
> Jeremias Maerki
>
>
>
> On 07.11.2007 15:50:22 juanita wrote:
>>
>> I have an .xsl file that creates a *.fo file and then there is the
>> generation
>> of pdf.
>> When I use a name for the font that does not exist in the configuration
>> file, the pdf is created with default font Times New Roman. Isn't
>> Helvetica
>> the default font for FOP?
>> I am using fop 0.94.
>>
>> Thank you...
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Re: Default font FOP and Adobe
Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@jeremias-maerki.ch>.
No, FOP uses Times. It has been so since I joined the project. Shrug.
But you have control over the font-family property, right?
Jeremias Maerki
On 07.11.2007 15:50:22 juanita wrote:
>
> I have an .xsl file that creates a *.fo file and then there is the generation
> of pdf.
> When I use a name for the font that does not exist in the configuration
> file, the pdf is created with default font Times New Roman. Isn't Helvetica
> the default font for FOP?
> I am using fop 0.94.
>
> Thank you...
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