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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> on 2005/08/18 17:55:44 UTC

Re: Forrest Tuesday

Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
> The wiki worked well for Cocoon. The big advantage is that it is not a 
> synchronous medium so it doesn't matter that we will not all be online 
> at the same time.
> 
> However, I'd rather see Thorsten get a Lenya instance up and we start 
> using that, both Thorsten and I are keen to push forward on the Doco 
> thing and this could be the first exposure of many devs to Lenya.

Yes please.

> >In our earlier discussions, we agreed that we don't
> >want to have the channel as a permanent means of
> >communication. So i looked into how to restrict it.
> >Just start a new channel at the beginning of the
> >day with name like for-09 and it will close when
> >the last one of us leaves at the end of the 24 hours.
> >Simple.
> 
> I assume this para refers to IRC.

Yes.

> An alternative is Skype. Much higher bandwidth communications. VSkype 
> allows up to 200 participants and enables the sharing of a desktop image.
> 
> However, can we record the audio for this? Is it as useful after the 
> event because it won't be logged? Would we be in danger of making it 
> more aceptable as a communications medium since it can't be disabled 
> like an IRC channel?

I reckon start with IRC. Get into the habit, then
look at how other tools could assist.

> >So the first "Forrest Tuesday" would be 6 September.
> >
> >>Lets remind ourselves that we are not talking about being available for 
> >>the whole 24 hours, or even every bug day. We are simply trying to 
> >>identify the day that would be most likely to see us being able provide 
> >>*some* time during the 24 hours in *some* months.
> >
> >
> >Unless you get excited and stay up all night.
> >I remember that Antonio and i did that on one
> >Cocoon First Friday.
> 
> :-))
> 
> >Each meeting could either just concentrate on getting Jira
> >under control or have a special topic like a group effort
> >to move the core to use xhtml2.
> 
> OOOhhh that's a hard one. Getting Jira under control is more important. 
> But doing XHTML2 is more fun!

They are both equally important. A lot can be done
by a rotating team, though we are a bit thin in
the antipodes.

-David

> >Also it is a place for us to get to know each
> >other a little.
> 
> +10000
> 
> See you all Sept. 6th
> 
> Ross

Re: Forrest-lenya instance (was Re: Forrest Tuesday)

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 00:30 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> 
>>David Crossley wrote:
>>
>>>Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The wiki worked well for Cocoon. The big advantage is that it is not a 
>>>>synchronous medium so it doesn't matter that we will not all be online 
>>>>at the same time.
>>>>
>>>>However, I'd rather see Thorsten get a Lenya instance up and we start 
>>>>using that, both Thorsten and I are keen to push forward on the Doco 
>>>>thing and this could be the first exposure of many devs to Lenya.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes please.
>>
>>I took this to the Lenya list, there is momentum gathering on Doco and 
>>as a result Thorsten has stepped forward to create a Lenya instance for 
>>us by Sept. 6th. Thanks Thorsten.
>>
> 
> 
> You are welcome.
> 
> http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
> 
> Please test a wee bit. ;-)

Logging in as editor for the default publication gave:

Unable to get transformer handler for 
cocoon://lenya-page/default/authoring/index.xml?doctype=homepage at 
<map:serialize type="xhtml"> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:188:44 
at <map:transform> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:174:85 
at <map:transform> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:172:152 
at <map:generate> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:161:165 
at <map:mount> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/global-sitemap.xmap:408:113 
at <map:mount> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/sitemap.xmap:523:110

> We can set up a basic lenya pub for us, where we will use the ac and our
> working structure (workflow,...). 
> 
> We should keep this pub here in our code base. Then we have as well a
> starting point for the doco move and the work of Joachim, David et. al..

If you get this started with an initial commit to our SVN I'll have a 
play. I've installed a local copy of Lenya 1.4 so should be able to 
experiment with the publicaiton offline, once I have something together 
I guess I commit to ourt SVN and you will put it into the Lenya zone - 
is that right?

Ross

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.

David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> 
>>Ross Gardler wrote:
>>
>>>David Crossley wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ross Gardler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The wiki worked well for Cocoon. The big advantage is that it is not a 
>>>>>synchronous medium so it doesn't matter that we will not all be online 
>>>>>at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, I'd rather see Thorsten get a Lenya instance up and we start 
>>>>>using that, both Thorsten and I are keen to push forward on the Doco 
>>>>>thing and this could be the first exposure of many devs to Lenya.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes please.
>>>
>>>I took this to the Lenya list, there is momentum gathering on Doco and 
>>>as a result Thorsten has stepped forward to create a Lenya instance for 
>>>us by Sept. 6th. Thanks Thorsten.
>>
>>You are welcome.
>>
>>http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
>>
>>Please test a wee bit. ;-)

I hope to get time this evening (GMT).

>>We can set up a basic lenya pub for us, where we will use the ac and our
>>working structure (workflow,...). 
>>
>>We should keep this pub here in our code base. Then we have as well a
>>starting point for the doco move and the work of Joachim, David et. al..
>>
>>Would it be alright to keep the content of this pub in a jcr-rep?
> 
> 
> What are the options? Your suggestion sounds good,
> but i don't know what are the implications.
> 
> Some repository that is as easy as possible to start with.
> When there are more people involved, we can look at options
> that requirement more management.

I'm not aware of the implications of this either. Ideally we want the 
stuff to go into SVN so that people can edit with whatever editors they 
want rather than with the Lenya instance. However, I don't think this 
works yet so will probably have to be done by us when someone finds the 
time.

So, whatever repo makes this the easiest would get my vote.

But since I'm not administering this implementation I'll settle for what 
you give us, thanks for your efforts so far.

Ross

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> > David Crossley wrote:
> > > Ross Gardler wrote:
> > > 
> > >>The wiki worked well for Cocoon. The big advantage is that it is not a 
> > >>synchronous medium so it doesn't matter that we will not all be online 
> > >>at the same time.
> > >>
> > >>However, I'd rather see Thorsten get a Lenya instance up and we start 
> > >>using that, both Thorsten and I are keen to push forward on the Doco 
> > >>thing and this could be the first exposure of many devs to Lenya.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes please.
> > 
> > I took this to the Lenya list, there is momentum gathering on Doco and 
> > as a result Thorsten has stepped forward to create a Lenya instance for 
> > us by Sept. 6th. Thanks Thorsten.
> 
> You are welcome.
> 
> http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
> 
> Please test a wee bit. ;-)

Errors reported.

Thanks for getting it this far, a good start.

> We can set up a basic lenya pub for us, where we will use the ac and our
> working structure (workflow,...). 
> 
> We should keep this pub here in our code base. Then we have as well a
> starting point for the doco move and the work of Joachim, David et. al..
> 
> Would it be alright to keep the content of this pub in a jcr-rep?

What are the options? Your suggestion sounds good,
but i don't know what are the implications.

Some repository that is as easy as possible to start with.
When there are more people involved, we can look at options
that requirement more management.

-David

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 18:42 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > > 
> > > For the task at hand, yes. The main reason is to
> > > have a whiteboard to assist us with the XHTML move.
> > > 
> > > The secondary reason is to have a Lenya instance
> > > so that later we can enhance our Lenya input plugin.
> > > I don't want to see this first ForrestTuesday turn
> > > into a Lenya-Forrest integration exercise. This is
> > > a good time to kick-start, but we have other priorities. 
> > 
> > Then we should use the cocoon or lenya wiki. I do not have time for
> > creating pubs for fun. If it should not become a basis for integration
> > then I do not see the point in spending my spare time for it.
> 
> Now you are putting words in my mouth. Please see
> point #2 above. I did not say that this Lenya instance
> will not become the basis for our Lenya-Forrest
> integration. Quite the opposite. It is our first
> important step. I only want us to not rush headlong
> into it. Step by step. Please do whatever is easiest
> to get us started.

agree. 

> 
> > BTW I want to announce that I will lay lower with forrest for a while.
> > There are too many things in my real life happening right now that I
> > need to leverage my time better. I will still be subscribed but only
> > doing work when I can (mostly that will be view related).
> 
> Okay, we can only do what we can. I do hope that
> i did not put you off. That was not my intention.

no.
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > 
> > For the task at hand, yes. The main reason is to
> > have a whiteboard to assist us with the XHTML move.
> > 
> > The secondary reason is to have a Lenya instance
> > so that later we can enhance our Lenya input plugin.
> > I don't want to see this first ForrestTuesday turn
> > into a Lenya-Forrest integration exercise. This is
> > a good time to kick-start, but we have other priorities. 
> 
> Then we should use the cocoon or lenya wiki. I do not have time for
> creating pubs for fun. If it should not become a basis for integration
> then I do not see the point in spending my spare time for it.

Now you are putting words in my mouth. Please see
point #2 above. I did not say that this Lenya instance
will not become the basis for our Lenya-Forrest
integration. Quite the opposite. It is our first
important step. I only want us to not rush headlong
into it. Step by step. Please do whatever is easiest
to get us started.

> BTW I want to announce that I will lay lower with forrest for a while.
> There are too many things in my real life happening right now that I
> need to leverage my time better. I will still be subscribed but only
> doing work when I can (mostly that will be view related).

Okay, we can only do what we can. I do hope that
i did not put you off. That was not my intention.

-David

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 13:07 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:

> > > Does that need a publication?
> > 
> > Hmm, to be bloody honest with you, my intend is to implement Ross idea
> > of getting forrest devs started with lenya. I personally see too much
> > work and effort that is duplicated (done by both projects) and this as
> > opportunity to get both projects in sync to focus on their core
> > competence. For example our plugins and lenya's modules *are* the same
> > thing (better said addressing the same issue). This is just one example
> > where we (speaking for both project) try to reinvent the wheel that
> > cocoon made round for us, instead of contributing the enhancement of the
> > wheel back to cocoon. ;-)
> 
> That paragraph does not sound like a joke, but the smiley
> at the end indicates so. Anyway, i am treating it as serious.
> 
> I suggest that we keep developing our plugins here
> at Forrest, and that Lenya keep on with their modules.
> 
> When Cocoon has real blocks happening then we will
> all be able to interoperate better. There is no point
> contributing back to Cocoon at this stage. Nor do i see
> reasons for Lenya and Forrest to merge capabilities yet.
> The design of plugins/blocks will change.
> 

Please, I am quite tiered that lately many people started to jump on
everything that somebody writes. If you do, make sure that it is not
your *own* interpretation rather then the actual written thought!

Who said or recommended that we should not develop plugins anymore or
lenya their modules? I said to sync the effort!

> We are not reinventing Cocoon's wheel. 

that is your personal opinion. I have my own.

> Forrest built
> upon that with the pass-through sitemaps and donated
> that part back. More major changes need to wait for
> real blocks.
> 
> > Now BT (back to topic), yes we need our own publication, for now only to
> > clean up the default pub. The default pub is like our "forrest seed"
> > with lots of examples. What we need is something like "forrest
> > seed-basic". A cleanup of all the examples to get started. Then we can
> > go enhance it and extend it for our needs. The "flat directory
> > structure" we will need to define and yes, that is for now just a
> > playground for us and not "yet our Forrest documentation editing
> > environment".
> 
> Okay now i understand that we do need a very basic
> "publication". You wondered in another thread whether
> we needed one. I was trying to help make that decision.
> Actually i am surprised that Lenya does not already have
> a very basic publication that we can just use.
> 

It is called default pub, like i mentioned. We should use it instead. 

> > > > How to we want to handle the user management?
> > > > 
> > > > Should I add all forrest committers as reviewer and the devs/user as
> > > > editor. Or should I create one default editor and user? We need to make
> > > > sure that nobody besides us can edit.
> > > 
> > > Can you explain a bit more about the difference between
> > > those options?
> > 
> > We can add every single committer (to get started) to the ac. That let
> > you log in as e.g. thorsten with pass XxXxX or david with pass YyYyYyY.
> > That allow to track down specific changes by users/editors. I would
> > setup the accounts on demand and notify every single committer about
> > their password that I have choosen or alternatively the committer can
> > send me the pass and I set it up. 
> > 
> > The alternative is to create a generic user/editor that you and me use
> > with the same pass. Like we have e.g. in the lenya zone. That is quicker
> > to setup and could be easily extended in future. The problem is when it
> > comes to users/devs. I fully trust all the PMC committers to not abuse
> > their given rights, but my mother always told me to be careful about
> > strangers (no offense indented). ;-)
> 
> I reckon that we should go with the individual accounts
> so that we know who made changes, and add new accounts
> on demand. Committers can review and put changes into
> production, users/devs can edit. Committers use their
> ASF login IDs and users/devs choose their own name.
> 

Since it is an experiment like you said I would be for variant 1 (create
one editor/reviewer).

> > Roadmap:
> > > > - create forrest lenya-based Forrest Tuesday pub.
> > 
> > Do we agree on that? I strongly recommend it to set it up in our svn.
> 
> I don't see why it needs to be called
> "Forrest Tuesday publication". This whitebaord
> should be used at any time.

I did not give it a name. 

> 
> If Lenya don't have a basic publication, then we
> can develop it in our SVN and contribute it back.
> 

We should use the default pub till the forrest community wants their own
publication.

> > > > - create user
> > 
> > see the above mentioned alternatives.
> > 
> > > > - create content
> > 
> > on the 6th of September.
> 
> For the task at hand, yes. The main reason is to
> have a whiteboard to assist us with the XHTML move.
> 
> The secondary reason is to have a Lenya instance
> so that later we can enhance our Lenya input plugin.
> I don't want to see this first ForrestTuesday turn
> into a Lenya-Forrest integration exercise. This is
> a good time to kick-start, but we have other priorities. 
> 

Then we should use the cocoon or lenya wiki. I do not have time for
creating pubs for fun. If it should not become a basis for integration
then I do not see the point in spending my spare time for it.

BTW I want to announce that I will lay lower with forrest for a while.
There are too many things in my real life happening right now that I
need to leverage my time better. I will still be subscribed but only
doing work when I can (mostly that will be view related).

salu2

> -David
> 
> > > > - use the brand new lenya plugin to get the content into our docu
> > 
> > open ended.
> > 
> > salu2
> > 
> > thorsten
> > 
> > "Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> > Hey you (Pink Floyd)
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > > 
> > > Maybe we should think about a basic structure of *our* lenya pub, this
> > > way I can setup the instance with our structure and get rid of the
> > > sample.
> > 
> > We just want a flat directory structure at the moment.
> > This is a "whiteboard" wiki-like thingy for us to
> > experiment with. It is not yet our Forrest documentation
> > editing environment. That is a long way down the track.
> > 
> > Does that need a publication?
> 
> Hmm, to be bloody honest with you, my intend is to implement Ross idea
> of getting forrest devs started with lenya. I personally see too much
> work and effort that is duplicated (done by both projects) and this as
> opportunity to get both projects in sync to focus on their core
> competence. For example our plugins and lenya's modules *are* the same
> thing (better said addressing the same issue). This is just one example
> where we (speaking for both project) try to reinvent the wheel that
> cocoon made round for us, instead of contributing the enhancement of the
> wheel back to cocoon. ;-)

That paragraph does not sound like a joke, but the smiley
at the end indicates so. Anyway, i am treating it as serious.

I suggest that we keep developing our plugins here
at Forrest, and that Lenya keep on with their modules.

When Cocoon has real blocks happening then we will
all be able to interoperate better. There is no point
contributing back to Cocoon at this stage. Nor do i see
reasons for Lenya and Forrest to merge capabilities yet.
The design of plugins/blocks will change.

We are not reinventing Cocoon's wheel. Forrest built
upon that with the pass-through sitemaps and donated
that part back. More major changes need to wait for
real blocks.

> Now BT (back to topic), yes we need our own publication, for now only to
> clean up the default pub. The default pub is like our "forrest seed"
> with lots of examples. What we need is something like "forrest
> seed-basic". A cleanup of all the examples to get started. Then we can
> go enhance it and extend it for our needs. The "flat directory
> structure" we will need to define and yes, that is for now just a
> playground for us and not "yet our Forrest documentation editing
> environment".

Okay now i understand that we do need a very basic
"publication". You wondered in another thread whether
we needed one. I was trying to help make that decision.
Actually i am surprised that Lenya does not already have
a very basic publication that we can just use.

> > > How to we want to handle the user management?
> > > 
> > > Should I add all forrest committers as reviewer and the devs/user as
> > > editor. Or should I create one default editor and user? We need to make
> > > sure that nobody besides us can edit.
> > 
> > Can you explain a bit more about the difference between
> > those options?
> 
> We can add every single committer (to get started) to the ac. That let
> you log in as e.g. thorsten with pass XxXxX or david with pass YyYyYyY.
> That allow to track down specific changes by users/editors. I would
> setup the accounts on demand and notify every single committer about
> their password that I have choosen or alternatively the committer can
> send me the pass and I set it up. 
> 
> The alternative is to create a generic user/editor that you and me use
> with the same pass. Like we have e.g. in the lenya zone. That is quicker
> to setup and could be easily extended in future. The problem is when it
> comes to users/devs. I fully trust all the PMC committers to not abuse
> their given rights, but my mother always told me to be careful about
> strangers (no offense indented). ;-)

I reckon that we should go with the individual accounts
so that we know who made changes, and add new accounts
on demand. Committers can review and put changes into
production, users/devs can edit. Committers use their
ASF login IDs and users/devs choose their own name.

> Roadmap:
> > > - create forrest lenya-based Forrest Tuesday pub.
> 
> Do we agree on that? I strongly recommend it to set it up in our svn.

I don't see why it needs to be called
"Forrest Tuesday publication". This whitebaord
should be used at any time.

If Lenya don't have a basic publication, then we
can develop it in our SVN and contribute it back.

> > > - create user
> 
> see the above mentioned alternatives.
> 
> > > - create content
> 
> on the 6th of September.

For the task at hand, yes. The main reason is to
have a whiteboard to assist us with the XHTML move.

The secondary reason is to have a Lenya instance
so that later we can enhance our Lenya input plugin.
I don't want to see this first ForrestTuesday turn
into a Lenya-Forrest integration exercise. This is
a good time to kick-start, but we have other priorities. 

-David

> > > - use the brand new lenya plugin to get the content into our docu
> 
> open ended.
> 
> salu2
> 
> thorsten
> 
> "Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 17:55 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > 
> > Maybe we should think about a basic structure of *our* lenya pub, this
> > way I can setup the instance with our structure and get rid of the
> > sample.
> 
> We just want a flat directory structure at the moment.
> This is a "whiteboard" wiki-like thingy for us to
> experiment with. It is not yet our Forrest documentation
> editing environment. That is a long way down the track.
> 
> Does that need a publication?
> 

Hmm, to be bloody honest with you, my intend is to implement Ross idea
of getting forrest devs started with lenya. I personally see too much
work and effort that is duplicated (done by both projects) and this as
opportunity to get both projects in sync to focus on their core
competence. For example our plugins and lenya's modules *are* the same
thing (better said addressing the same issue). This is just one example
where we (speaking for both project) try to reinvent the wheel that
cocoon made round for us, instead of contributing the enhancement of the
wheel back to cocoon. ;-)

Now BT (back to topic), yes we need our own publication, for now only to
clean up the default pub. The default pub is like our "forrest seed"
with lots of examples. What we need is something like "forrest
seed-basic". A cleanup of all the examples to get started. Then we can
go enhance it and extend it for our needs. The "flat directory
structure" we will need to define and yes, that is for now just a
playground for us and not "yet our Forrest documentation editing
environment".

> > How to we want to handle the user management?
> > 
> > Should I add all forrest committers as reviewer and the devs/user as
> > editor. Or should I create one default editor and user? We need to make
> > sure that nobody besides us can edit.
> 
> Can you explain a bit more about the difference between
> those options?
> 

We can add every single committer (to get started) to the ac. That let
you log in as e.g. thorsten with pass XxXxX or david with pass YyYyYyY.
That allow to track down specific changes by users/editors. I would
setup the accounts on demand and notify every single committer about
their password that I have choosen or alternatively the committer can
send me the pass and I set it up. 

The alternative is to create a generic user/editor that you and me use
with the same pass. Like we have e.g. in the lenya zone. That is quicker
to setup and could be easily extended in future. The problem is when it
comes to users/devs. I fully trust all the PMC committers to not abuse
their given rights, but my mother always told me to be careful about
strangers (no offense indented). ;-)

Roadmap:
> > - create forrest lenya-based Forrest Tuesday pub.

Do we agree on that? I strongly recommend it to set it up in our svn.

> > - create user

see the above mentioned alternatives.

> > - create content

on the 6th of September.

> > - use the brand new lenya plugin to get the content into our docu

open ended.

salu2

thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> 
> Maybe we should think about a basic structure of *our* lenya pub, this
> way I can setup the instance with our structure and get rid of the
> sample.

We just want a flat directory structure at the moment.
This is a "whiteboard" wiki-like thingy for us to
experiment with. It is not yet our Forrest documentation
editing environment. That is a long way down the track.

Does that need a publication?

> How to we want to handle the user management?
> 
> Should I add all forrest committers as reviewer and the devs/user as
> editor. Or should I create one default editor and user? We need to make
> sure that nobody besides us can edit.

Can you explain a bit more about the difference between
those options?

-David

> Next steps:
> - create forrest lenya-based Forrest Tuesday pub.
> - create user
> - create content
> - use the brand new lenya plugin to get the content into our docu
> - ...
> 
> salu2
> -- 
> thorsten
> 
> "Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 11:22 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > Sorry, 
> > 
> > somebody killed *all* our demos. :(
> > 
> 
> Wohoo!!!!
> 
> I'm in and edited a page!!!
> 
> Thanks for your persistence Thorsten.
> 

to you. ;-) You help me heaps in reporting in, without it would not have
been possible! Thanks ross

> I'll have a proper play soon (before the 6th) but I have a deadline at 
> present I'm afraid.
> 

No worries.

Maybe we should think about a basic structure of *our* lenya pub, this
way I can setup the instance with our structure and get rid of the
sample.

How to we want to handle the user management?

Should I add all forrest committers as reviewer and the devs/user as
editor. Or should I create one default editor and user? We need to make
sure that nobody besides us can edit.

Next steps:
- create forrest lenya-based Forrest Tuesday pub.
- create user
- create content
- use the brand new lenya plugin to get the content into our docu
- ...

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Sorry, 
> 
> somebody killed *all* our demos. :(
> 

Wohoo!!!!

I'm in and edited a page!!!

Thanks for your persistence Thorsten.

I'll have a proper play soon (before the 6th) but I have a deadline at 
present I'm afraid.

Ross

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

Sorry, 

somebody killed *all* our demos. :(

I do not know who or why.

I will monitor it.

salu2

On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 10:21 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:48 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> > 
> 
> ...
> 
> > 
> > Actually it was a bug.
> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lenya-dev&m=112547515906513&w=2
> > 
> > I hope this time you can test for real, thanks to andreas:
> > http://lenya.zones.apache.org:9000/index.html
> > 
> > When I was debugging I changed the port. ;-)
> 
> Connection refused :-((
> 
> Ross
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:48 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> 

...

> 
> Actually it was a bug.
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lenya-dev&m=112547515906513&w=2
> 
> I hope this time you can test for real, thanks to andreas:
> http://lenya.zones.apache.org:9000/index.html
> 
> When I was debugging I changed the port. ;-)

Connection refused :-((

Ross

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 09:48 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > 
> > That is really weird. It seems to me that is a solaris bug. I am really
> > sorry for all the noise. 
> > 
> > I tested it before and it was working fine. My other problem with this
> > bug is that is only happening on zones. My local instance is working
> > like a charm.
> 
> Is it a difference in Java versions?
> 

Actually it was a bug.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lenya-dev&m=112547515906513&w=2

I hope this time you can test for real, thanks to andreas:
http://lenya.zones.apache.org:9000/index.html

When I was debugging I changed the port. ;-)

salu2
thorsten

> -David
> 
> > That makes it really hard to debug (I do not have solaris anywhere). :(
> > 
> > salu2
> > -- 
> > thorsten
> > 
> > "Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> > Hey you (Pink Floyd)
-- 
thorsten

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Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> 
> That is really weird. It seems to me that is a solaris bug. I am really
> sorry for all the noise. 
> 
> I tested it before and it was working fine. My other problem with this
> bug is that is only happening on zones. My local instance is working
> like a charm.

Is it a difference in Java versions?

-David

> That makes it really hard to debug (I do not have solaris anywhere). :(
> 
> salu2
> -- 
> thorsten
> 
> "Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by "Gav...." <br...@brightontown.com.au>.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thorsten Scherler" <th...@apache.org>
|
| That makes it really hard to debug (I do not have solaris anywhere). :(
|
| salu2
| -- 
| thorsten

FYI, not sure if you have the resources (or inclination) but Solaris 10 is 
available as a free download from Sun and I've seen it on Cover Cds also, 
available for the x86 platform and will dual boot with linux or windows if 
required.

Gav... 



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Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 13:55 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:

> 
> I still get the same problem when logging in as an editor:
> 
> Unable to get transformer handler for 
> cocoon://lenya-page/default/authoring/index.xml?doctype=homepage at 
> <map:serialize type="xhtml"> - 
> file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:188:44 
> at <map:transform> - 
> file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:174:85 
> at <map:transform> - 
> file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:172:152 
> at <map:generate> - 
> file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:161:165 
> at <map:mount> - 
> file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/global-sitemap.xmap:408:113 
> at <map:mount> - 
> file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/sitemap.xmap:550:110
> 
> Ross

Thanks.

That is really weird. It seems to me that is a solaris bug. I am really
sorry for all the noise. 

I tested it before and it was working fine. My other problem with this
bug is that is only happening on zones. My local instance is working
like a charm.

That makes it really hard to debug (I do not have solaris anywhere). :(

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 20:26 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 16:13 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
>>
>>>Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
>>>>
>>>>Please test a wee bit. ;-)
>>>
>>>I did login as editor okay, but File->New-xhtml
>>>failed the first time, second time was okay.
>>>Then the create action failed.
>>>
>>>The new Cocoon error reporting is excellent.
>>
>>:) yeah
>>
>>I do not understand why that is happening but I have actually the same
>>problem on my local drive. 
>>
>>Will need to investigate it. Cheers for the report.
> 
> 
> I just removed everything (lenya and cocoon) and did fresh checkout. Now
> it seems to work again.
> 
> Please feel free to test again.

I still get the same problem when logging in as an editor:

Unable to get transformer handler for 
cocoon://lenya-page/default/authoring/index.xml?doctype=homepage at 
<map:serialize type="xhtml"> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:188:44 
at <map:transform> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:174:85 
at <map:transform> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:172:152 
at <map:generate> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/sitemap.xmap:161:165 
at <map:mount> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/global-sitemap.xmap:408:113 
at <map:mount> - 
file:/export/home/lenya/src/lenya-1.4.x-forrest/build/lenya/webapp/sitemap.xmap:550:110

Ross

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 20:26 +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 16:13 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> > Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > > 
> > > http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
> > > 
> > > Please test a wee bit. ;-)
> > 
> > I did login as editor okay, but File->New-xhtml
> > failed the first time, second time was okay.
> > Then the create action failed.
> > 
> > The new Cocoon error reporting is excellent.
> 
> :) yeah
> 
> I do not understand why that is happening but I have actually the same
> problem on my local drive. 
> 
> Will need to investigate it. Cheers for the report.

I just removed everything (lenya and cocoon) and did fresh checkout. Now
it seems to work again.

Please feel free to test again.

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 16:13 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > 
> > http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
> > 
> > Please test a wee bit. ;-)
> 
> I did login as editor okay, but File->New-xhtml
> failed the first time, second time was okay.
> Then the create action failed.
> 
> The new Cocoon error reporting is excellent.

:) yeah

I do not understand why that is happening but I have actually the same
problem on my local drive. 

Will need to investigate it. Cheers for the report.
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: Forrest-lenya instance

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> 
> http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html
> 
> Please test a wee bit. ;-)

I did login as editor okay, but File->New-xhtml
failed the first time, second time was okay.
Then the create action failed.

The new Cocoon error reporting is excellent.

-David

Forrest-lenya instance (was Re: Forrest Tuesday)

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.

On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 00:30 +0100, Ross Gardler wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Ross Gardler wrote:
> > 
> >>The wiki worked well for Cocoon. The big advantage is that it is not a 
> >>synchronous medium so it doesn't matter that we will not all be online 
> >>at the same time.
> >>
> >>However, I'd rather see Thorsten get a Lenya instance up and we start 
> >>using that, both Thorsten and I are keen to push forward on the Doco 
> >>thing and this could be the first exposure of many devs to Lenya.
> > 
> > 
> > Yes please.
> 
> I took this to the Lenya list, there is momentum gathering on Doco and 
> as a result Thorsten has stepped forward to create a Lenya instance for 
> us by Sept. 6th. Thanks Thorsten.
> 

You are welcome.

http://lenya.zones.apache.org:19999/index.html

Please test a wee bit. ;-)

We can set up a basic lenya pub for us, where we will use the ac and our
working structure (workflow,...). 

We should keep this pub here in our code base. Then we have as well a
starting point for the doco move and the work of Joachim, David et. al..

Would it be alright to keep the content of this pub in a jcr-rep?

wdyt?

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)