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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org> on 2000/12/05 11:42:20 UTC
[ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!
With a flash of fireworks and champagne I'd like to announce to the world
our new mod_perl news and advocacy web site:
http://modperl.sergeant.org/
We hope to be able to bring to you all the latest relevant perl news, and
articles about mod_perl development and other areas of interest, all in
once place. We also have a copy of the mod_perl guide on the site, broken
down into sections - we hope you like this format. Eventually we will
have all the mod_perl documentation from the source POD files, and allow
users to add comments (much like you can with the PHP documentation), and
we have much more planned for the site.
The entire site is built using AxKit and a small mod_perl handler for
uploading news articles.
We hope you like the design, although we are aware that there are a couple
of issues with it currently:
- We don't have O'Reilly's permission to use the eagle logo, so will
probably have to do a bit of a re-design
- We need to find a reasonably nice way to integrate advertising onto
the site.
If you have any article or news item you would like to see published on
the site, then please visit our contribute page on the site, or drop us a
line at mpeditors@axkit.org
Enjoy,
The modperl.sergeant.org editing team.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!
Posted by Josef <jo...@pi.49.com>.
On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 10:42:20AM +0000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> With a flash of fireworks and champagne I'd like to announce to the world
> our new mod_perl news and advocacy web site:
>
> http://modperl.sergeant.org/
I really like the format and the familiarity of this site. Looks to be
a really good dab of crazy glue that has been needed to tie us newbies
with the elite. The only suggestion I would have is a /. style feedback
section. A place where I can say, "Whoa, there partner, say that again!"
to some 7331 article and have a experience person, or the author, reply
with, "Listen you colt, I won't say this again..." I know, I know,
that's what this mailing list is for, but really, what new recruit wants
to read 50 hardcore emails a day?
-josef
Re: comparison of html/perl methodologies
Posted by Perrin Harkins <pe...@primenet.com>.
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Paul Phillips wrote:
> Now, I'm interested in looking at web authoring from the reverse
> perspective - embedding Perl in html.
>
> A quick look tells me that there are a number of possibilities out there --
> Apache ASP
> Mason
> Embperl
> HTML::Template
>
> There are probably some others as well...
Our numbers are legion.
> After having looked at their respective web sites, I seem to be having
> trouble understanding how these are different from one another and their
> relative strengths and weaknesses.
>
> Would anyone care to take a stab at making some kind of summary of
> distinctive qualities, goals, etc.
I'm writing just such a document, but it's not finished. For now, look
in the mailing list archives for previous discussions on this topic.
A couple of words of advice:
If this is a very simple site that will be worked on by one person and
will not change it's look very much, it doesn't matter which one you
choose. Just grab whichever one looks like the most fun or the easiest to
get started with.
If this is a bigger project that involves multiple coders, HTML-only
people, or will change it's look often, your work will be easier to
maintain if you keep a good separation between the "application" code and
the "presentation" code. This is in contrast to the PHP style of putting
all your code in-line in the HTML.
You can do this kind of separation with just about any tool. Mason,
Embperl, and Apache::ASP can do this by putting your code in modules which
you call at the beginning of the template and then use the results of.
(Well, they each have their own special ways of supporting this as well,
but it amounts about the same thing.) Your templating constructs (loops,
conditionals) will be written in Perl in-lined in HTML. HTML::Template
and Template Toolkit generally expect you to write a CGI or modperl
handler that will do some work and then run the result through a template.
The templating constructs are done with a mini templating language when
using these modules. The basic question you have to answer is whether or
not the people who have to edit the "look and feel" part of your templates
will be happier and more productive using in-line Perl or one of these
templating languages.
If you're building a larger project and want some help figuring out how to
organize it, take a look at Apache::PageKit, which provides a skeleton for
developing applications using HTML::Template. I use a homegrown system
which is very similar in spirit but works with Template Toolkit, which I
prefer.
Hope that gets you started. There's tons more in the archives.
- Perrin
Re: comparison of html/perl methodologies
Posted by Andrew Ho <an...@tellme.com>.
Hello,
PP>Now, I'm interested in looking at web authoring from the reverse
PP>perspective - embedding Perl in html.
PP>
PP>A quick look tells me that there are a number of possibilities out there --
PP>Apache ASP
PP>Mason
PP>Embperl
PP>HTML::Template
HTML::Template is not an embedded Perl solution per se, but rather a
templating system. It's a rather fine line but the crux of it is that
rather than embedding Perl code in non-Perl text per se, it's Perl that
interprets non-Perl text in a special way.
In contrast Apache::ASP, Mason, and Embperl are all full-fledged embedded
Perl implementations. I would say that the embedded Perl implementations
are better for data-driven pages (e.g. there is more non-Perl text (HTML
or XML or whatever) than Perl code), whereas the template systems (other
ones include homegrown variable substitution and Text::Template) are
better for pages where there is more Perl code than output.
An example of the former (data-driven) might be a website that displays
and lets you manage a stock portfolio--most of it stays the same except
for some dynamic data parts. An example of the latter could be an HTTP
data server that returns XML.
Generally, it's easier to transition from a pure CGI based system to a
templatized system rather than an embedded Perl system, because a template
system basically centralizes all your print() statements into a template
fill-in call. However, I think the embedded Perl syntax gives a more
powerful separation of code and presentation.
One advantage of Apache::ASP is that its syntax (<% code %>, <%= expr %>,
etc.) and semantics are very well known, so this is great for working with
coders who may have had some exposure to ASP in the past.
Humbly,
Andrew
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comparison of html/perl methodologies
Posted by Paul Phillips <pa...@partitura.com>.
Hello,
I have written a fairly good sized CGI using CGI.pm that I ran first as a
standalone, then under modperl.
Now, I'm interested in looking at web authoring from the reverse
perspective - embedding Perl in html.
A quick look tells me that there are a number of possibilities out there --
Apache ASP
Mason
Embperl
HTML::Template
There are probably some others as well...
After having looked at their respective web sites, I seem to be having
trouble understanding how these are different from one another and their
relative strengths and weaknesses.
Would anyone care to take a stab at making some kind of summary of
distinctive qualities, goals, etc.
Thanks,
Paul Phillips
___________________________________________________
Paul Phillips
Director of Orchestral Activities, Meadows School of the Arts
Southern Methodist University
"You must sing every note you play, sing even through the rests!"
Arturo Toscanini
Re: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!
Posted by "G.W. Haywood" <ge...@www.jubileegroup.co.uk>.
Hi all,
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> (NS 3.0, Solaris). I got blank screen with 2 popup
> windows with message "/bin/sh: gzip: not found"
Well you can't say I didn't warn you...
73,
Ged.
Re: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!
Posted by Oleg Bartunov <ol...@sai.msu.su>.
Matt,
I know you like modern technologies but your site doesn't like
my browser (NS 3.0, Solaris). I got blank screen with 2 popup
windows with message "/bin/sh: gzip: not found"
Hope you know what does it mean :-)
Regards,
Oleg
On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:42:20 +0000
> From: Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org>
> Reply-To: mpeditors@axkit.org
> To: modperl@apache.org
> Subject: [ANNOUNCE] New mod_perl Web Site!!!
>
> With a flash of fireworks and champagne I'd like to announce to the world
> our new mod_perl news and advocacy web site:
>
> http://modperl.sergeant.org/
>
> We hope to be able to bring to you all the latest relevant perl news, and
> articles about mod_perl development and other areas of interest, all in
> once place. We also have a copy of the mod_perl guide on the site, broken
> down into sections - we hope you like this format. Eventually we will
> have all the mod_perl documentation from the source POD files, and allow
> users to add comments (much like you can with the PHP documentation), and
> we have much more planned for the site.
>
> The entire site is built using AxKit and a small mod_perl handler for
> uploading news articles.
>
> We hope you like the design, although we are aware that there are a couple
> of issues with it currently:
>
> - We don't have O'Reilly's permission to use the eagle logo, so will
> probably have to do a bit of a re-design
> - We need to find a reasonably nice way to integrate advertising onto
> the site.
>
> If you have any article or news item you would like to see published on
> the site, then please visit our contribute page on the site, or drop us a
> line at mpeditors@axkit.org
>
> Enjoy,
>
> The modperl.sergeant.org editing team.
>
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