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Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
This list seems to be quite busy, and I think everyone would benefit hugely
from separating out the two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm
surprised this hasn't been done already.
Most notably is that the S2 posts won't get drowned out by S1 posts but
perhaps developers should get a look at.
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Piero Sartini <li...@pierosartini.de>.
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 01:49:01 Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote:
> Wouldn't a forum be more appropriate for this kind of exchange?
I am not sure. Personally I do prefer mailing lists. They save a lot of time,
especially if you are subscribed to a lot of lists. Navigating to different
forums is not what I would like to do every day. Just checking my inbox is
much better :-)
But I know that a lot of users like web forums more than mailing lists. There
was a discussion at the developer list about communicating a forum some time
ago, but without result.
You can always use nabble as a forum interface to this list, its pretty good:
http://www.nabble.com/Struts---User-f206.html
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RE: S2: Formatting s:textfield values
Posted by Sauli Ketola <sa...@fasolutions.fi>.
Currently I get around this problem like this:
<!-- format the value in jsp -->
<s:text id="formattedValue" name="key.in.properties.file"><s:param name="value" value="realValue"/></s:text>
<!-- refer to the formatted value -->
<s:textfield value="%{formattedValue}" name="realValue" size="3" /></td>
in properties file:
key.in.properties.file={0,number,0.##}
S.
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From: Célio Cidral Junior [mailto:ccidral.newsbox@gmail.com]
Sent: 21. kesäkuuta 2007 22:23
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Subject: Re: S2: Formatting s:textfield values
I'm having the same problem. I consider this an important issue, so
why this thread got no response?
Célio
2007/4/11, Sauli Ketola <sa...@fasolutions.fi>:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to format the value of a s:textfield like it possible
> with s:text?
>
> For example what would be the equivalent of "<s:text
> name="format.money"><s:param name="value"
> value="myMoneyValue"/></s:text>" for <s:textfield>/<s:textarea>?
>
> S.
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Re: S2: Formatting s:textfield values
Posted by Célio Cidral Junior <cc...@gmail.com>.
I'm having the same problem. I consider this an important issue, so
why this thread got no response?
Célio
2007/4/11, Sauli Ketola <sa...@fasolutions.fi>:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to format the value of a s:textfield like it possible
> with s:text?
>
> For example what would be the equivalent of "<s:text
> name="format.money"><s:param name="value"
> value="myMoneyValue"/></s:text>" for <s:textfield>/<s:textarea>?
>
> S.
>
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S2: Formatting s:textfield values
Posted by Sauli Ketola <sa...@fasolutions.fi>.
Hi,
Is there a way to format the value of a s:textfield like it possible
with s:text?
For example what would be the equivalent of "<s:text
name="format.money"><s:param name="value"
value="myMoneyValue"/></s:text>" for <s:textfield>/<s:textarea>?
S.
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Zoran Avtarovski <zo...@sparecreative.com>.
I have to agree with Frank and Paul. The list has been the best source of
current information on S2. We're using the WebWork in Action Book and other
resources but by far this mailing list has been the most valuable resource.
Z.
> While I understand that people want a separate mailing list, and at
> times I believed the same thing, the fact is that most questions to
> this list will be about 2.x. The reason is because, imo, 1.x has been
> out for 7 years and virtually every possible question and answer has
> been given -- there's simply not much of a need to ask if you can
> already find your answer through an Internet search (like Google or
> Nabble).
>
> With that said, I also agree with Frank's point that separate mailing
> lists also tend to divide the community. Believe it or not, there's
> also one mailing list for Struts committers too -- so the Apache folks
> who write Struts also get to see all the activity from 1.x and 2.x.
> That's a good idea because we're one (read: ONE) community. Just as
> Apache doesn't have a Tomcat 4 mailing list, a Tomcat 5, Tomcat 6, etc,
> neither should we have here.
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
While I understand that people want a separate mailing list, and at
times I believed the same thing, the fact is that most questions to
this list will be about 2.x. The reason is because, imo, 1.x has been
out for 7 years and virtually every possible question and answer has
been given -- there's simply not much of a need to ask if you can
already find your answer through an Internet search (like Google or
Nabble).
With that said, I also agree with Frank's point that separate mailing
lists also tend to divide the community. Believe it or not, there's
also one mailing list for Struts committers too -- so the Apache folks
who write Struts also get to see all the activity from 1.x and 2.x.
That's a good idea because we're one (read: ONE) community. Just as
Apache doesn't have a Tomcat 4 mailing list, a Tomcat 5, Tomcat 6, etc,
neither should we have here.
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Asaf Paris Mandoki <as...@gmail.com>.
The webwork forum at www.opensymphony.com looks pretty good. Now that
webwork and struts 2 are almost the same thing, couldn't a special
forum for struts 2 be created over there?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com>.
I don't think apache.org run forums, only moderate mailing lists. I think
they advocate using http://www.nabble.com/.
I think for a start, simply a separate list for Struts 2 would be a massive
help.
Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote:
>
> How could we get a forum?
> Is there a way to get a place at opensymphony's forum dedicated to struts
> users?
> What other alternatives are there?
> How difficult would it be to get a forum at struts.apache.org ?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Asaf Paris Mandoki <as...@gmail.com>.
How could we get a forum?
Is there a way to get a place at opensymphony's forum dedicated to struts users?
What other alternatives are there?
How difficult would it be to get a forum at struts.apache.org ?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com>.
Seriously, have you tried
http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=9930952&framed=y ???
Zoran Avtarovski wrote:
>
> +1 for using a forum. It saves having to archive the whole list locally to
> keep track of threads. This is particularly relevant with S2 where we're
> trying to keep track of latest issues and common pitfalls.
>
> Z.
>
>>
>> I completely agree. In fact, I quite like the forum the Spring guys use.
>> (esp
>> with the question / answered functionality).
>>
>> I imagine a lot of people (as i do) treat this list as a forum, esp
>> through
>> archives like Nabble.com which I use.
>>
>>
>> Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote:
>>>
>>> Wouldn't a forum be more appropriate for this kind of exchange?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Zoran Avtarovski <zo...@sparecreative.com>.
+1 for using a forum. It saves having to archive the whole list locally to
keep track of threads. This is particularly relevant with S2 where we're
trying to keep track of latest issues and common pitfalls.
Z.
>
> I completely agree. In fact, I quite like the forum the Spring guys use. (esp
> with the question / answered functionality).
>
> I imagine a lot of people (as i do) treat this list as a forum, esp through
> archives like Nabble.com which I use.
>
>
> Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't a forum be more appropriate for this kind of exchange?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com>.
I completely agree. In fact, I quite like the forum the Spring guys use. (esp
with the question / answered functionality).
I imagine a lot of people (as i do) treat this list as a forum, esp through
archives like Nabble.com which I use.
Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote:
>
> Wouldn't a forum be more appropriate for this kind of exchange?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Asaf Paris Mandoki <as...@gmail.com>.
Wouldn't a forum be more appropriate for this kind of exchange?
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by cilquirm <aa...@gmail.com>.
Just FYI, Nabble does provide RSS feeds on a per-list/forum level.
I Live-bookmark http://www.nabble.com/Struts---User-f206.html
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
>
> I think the thought behind not splitting the lists to this point is that
> Apache experience has been that it tends to divide a community rather
> than direct traffic in a more granular way. The idea is that a Struts
> user is a Struts user regardless of version, and those that may not be
> using S2 today (yours truly included for the most part) may well be
> using it tomorrow... a person can get a leg-up just by keeping an eye on
> the S2 posts (I know that's true for me). One could always subscribe to
> multiple lists of course, but in terms of community, a single united
> list theoretically at least yields more synergy. This is my
> interpretation of things I've seen stated in the past (I happen to agree
> with it too :) ). Maybe the thinking is different now by those who are
> in a position to change things, I don't know.
>
> As for a forum, I seem to remember Apache infrastructure not supporting
> it, and I also seem to remember something about Apache projects not
> (directly at least) using outside resources... others more knowledgeable
> than I would have to answer this though... I can't off the top of my
> head think of any other Apache project that has a forum that is
> officially linked to the project. As a personal opinion, I'm not sure I
> see the benefit of a forum vs. a mailing list, they seem pretty well
> even to me, maybe a slight edge to the mailing list since it goes to my
> mail client... I could see a good argument though for a forum that
> supplies an RSS feed too.
>
> Frank
>
> Antony Stubbs wrote:
>> Well it might have made sense if struts 2 issues were somehow applicable
>> to
>> struts 1, but they're mostly not.
>>
>> For Struts 2 to be adopted, it needs to be clearly separated from struts
>> 1,
>> as is the code base. This includes having clearly separate support to
>> make
>> it as easy as possible to find help. It's not like it's we want a struts
>> 1.5
>> list. 2 is very different from 1.
>>
>> What's the mentality for keeping them jumbled together?
>>
>> I suppose you don't see a separate mailing list for every major tapestry
>> release, but this is a case of adopting the best process that fit's the
>> situation, and in this situation the lists should be seperate IMO.
>>
>>
>> Dave Newton-4 wrote:
>>> --- Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This list seems to be quite busy, and I think
>>>> everyone would benefit hugely from separating out
>>> the
>>>> two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm
>>>> surprised this hasn't been done already.
>>> It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still
>>> agree and would vote for separation if it was votable.
>>>
>>> d.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [s2] Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@gmail.com>.
If you are really interested in bringing clarity to the discussions,
the people who are interested in having separate lists should be
prefixing your questions and answers with [s1] or [s2] instead of
trying to force people to have to subscribe to separate lists.
If someone posts a new question without a prefix, you can always send
a gentle reminder that such prefixes are preferred, but we should
never try to enforce it as a rule.
Even if *your* reply uses [s2] and it is the only one in a long
thread, at least the entire thread gets labelled (sort of) so that
future searches can use "[s2]" as a filter to narrow the results.
For example, if you search the googler for "struts action
site:nabble.com", you get 9,360 results. However, if you search for
"s2 action site:nabble.com", you get 244.
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On Apr 11, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Bruno Melloni wrote:
> I have to agree. Having a separate Struts 2 list would be nice, but
> let's face it...
>
> - Struts 1 "owned" the web presentation space, making the move from
> 1.x
> to 1.y brainless.
>
> - But since Struts 2 is a complete rewrite and JSF is competing
> strongly
> for the same space (with much help from the tool vendors), the
> choice to
> go to from Struts 1 to 2 is not easy for today's developers.
>
> Struts 2 - regardless of how much better it is - needs all the help it
> can get to establish itself in the minds of developers. The price we
> pay by slogging through 100 emails per day in a single list is
> small if
> it helps Struts 2 win the battle.
>
> Bruno
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:59 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
>
> I think the thought behind not splitting the lists to this point is
> that
> Apache experience has been that it tends to divide a community rather
> than direct traffic in a more granular way. The idea is that a Struts
> user is a Struts user regardless of version, and those that may not be
> using S2 today (yours truly included for the most part) may well be
> using it tomorrow... a person can get a leg-up just by keeping an
> eye on
> the S2 posts (I know that's true for me). One could always
> subscribe to
> multiple lists of course, but in terms of community, a single united
> list theoretically at least yields more synergy. This is my
> interpretation of things I've seen stated in the past (I happen to
> agree
> with it too :) ). Maybe the thinking is different now by those who
> are
> in a position to change things, I don't know.
>
> As for a forum, I seem to remember Apache infrastructure not
> supporting
> it, and I also seem to remember something about Apache projects not
> (directly at least) using outside resources... others more
> knowledgeable
> than I would have to answer this though... I can't off the top of my
> head think of any other Apache project that has a forum that is
> officially linked to the project. As a personal opinion, I'm not
> sure I
> see the benefit of a forum vs. a mailing list, they seem pretty well
> even to me, maybe a slight edge to the mailing list since it goes
> to my
> mail client... I could see a good argument though for a forum that
> supplies an RSS feed too.
>
> Frank
>
> Antony Stubbs wrote:
>> Well it might have made sense if struts 2 issues were somehow
>> applicable to struts 1, but they're mostly not.
>>
>> For Struts 2 to be adopted, it needs to be clearly separated from
>> struts 1, as is the code base. This includes having clearly separate
>> support to make it as easy as possible to find help. It's not like
>> it's we want a struts 1.5 list. 2 is very different from 1.
>>
>> What's the mentality for keeping them jumbled together?
>>
>> I suppose you don't see a separate mailing list for every major
>> tapestry release, but this is a case of adopting the best process
>> that
>
>> fit's the situation, and in this situation the lists should be
> seperate IMO.
>>
>>
>> Dave Newton-4 wrote:
>>> --- Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This list seems to be quite busy, and I think everyone would
>>>> benefit
>
>>>> hugely from separating out
>>> the
>>>> two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm surprised this
>>>> hasn't been done already.
>>> It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still agree and
>>> would vote for separation if it was votable.
>>>
>>> d.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Bruno Melloni <Br...@wnco.com>.
I have to agree. Having a separate Struts 2 list would be nice, but
let's face it...
- Struts 1 "owned" the web presentation space, making the move from 1.x
to 1.y brainless.
- But since Struts 2 is a complete rewrite and JSF is competing strongly
for the same space (with much help from the tool vendors), the choice to
go to from Struts 1 to 2 is not easy for today's developers.
Struts 2 - regardless of how much better it is - needs all the help it
can get to establish itself in the minds of developers. The price we
pay by slogging through 100 emails per day in a single list is small if
it helps Struts 2 win the battle.
Bruno
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From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:59 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
I think the thought behind not splitting the lists to this point is that
Apache experience has been that it tends to divide a community rather
than direct traffic in a more granular way. The idea is that a Struts
user is a Struts user regardless of version, and those that may not be
using S2 today (yours truly included for the most part) may well be
using it tomorrow... a person can get a leg-up just by keeping an eye on
the S2 posts (I know that's true for me). One could always subscribe to
multiple lists of course, but in terms of community, a single united
list theoretically at least yields more synergy. This is my
interpretation of things I've seen stated in the past (I happen to agree
with it too :) ). Maybe the thinking is different now by those who are
in a position to change things, I don't know.
As for a forum, I seem to remember Apache infrastructure not supporting
it, and I also seem to remember something about Apache projects not
(directly at least) using outside resources... others more knowledgeable
than I would have to answer this though... I can't off the top of my
head think of any other Apache project that has a forum that is
officially linked to the project. As a personal opinion, I'm not sure I
see the benefit of a forum vs. a mailing list, they seem pretty well
even to me, maybe a slight edge to the mailing list since it goes to my
mail client... I could see a good argument though for a forum that
supplies an RSS feed too.
Frank
Antony Stubbs wrote:
> Well it might have made sense if struts 2 issues were somehow
> applicable to struts 1, but they're mostly not.
>
> For Struts 2 to be adopted, it needs to be clearly separated from
> struts 1, as is the code base. This includes having clearly separate
> support to make it as easy as possible to find help. It's not like
> it's we want a struts 1.5 list. 2 is very different from 1.
>
> What's the mentality for keeping them jumbled together?
>
> I suppose you don't see a separate mailing list for every major
> tapestry release, but this is a case of adopting the best process that
> fit's the situation, and in this situation the lists should be
seperate IMO.
>
>
> Dave Newton-4 wrote:
>> --- Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This list seems to be quite busy, and I think everyone would benefit
>>> hugely from separating out
>> the
>>> two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm surprised this
>>> hasn't been done already.
>> It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still agree and
>> would vote for separation if it was votable.
>>
>> d.
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
I think the thought behind not splitting the lists to this point is that
Apache experience has been that it tends to divide a community rather
than direct traffic in a more granular way. The idea is that a Struts
user is a Struts user regardless of version, and those that may not be
using S2 today (yours truly included for the most part) may well be
using it tomorrow... a person can get a leg-up just by keeping an eye on
the S2 posts (I know that's true for me). One could always subscribe to
multiple lists of course, but in terms of community, a single united
list theoretically at least yields more synergy. This is my
interpretation of things I've seen stated in the past (I happen to agree
with it too :) ). Maybe the thinking is different now by those who are
in a position to change things, I don't know.
As for a forum, I seem to remember Apache infrastructure not supporting
it, and I also seem to remember something about Apache projects not
(directly at least) using outside resources... others more knowledgeable
than I would have to answer this though... I can't off the top of my
head think of any other Apache project that has a forum that is
officially linked to the project. As a personal opinion, I'm not sure I
see the benefit of a forum vs. a mailing list, they seem pretty well
even to me, maybe a slight edge to the mailing list since it goes to my
mail client... I could see a good argument though for a forum that
supplies an RSS feed too.
Frank
Antony Stubbs wrote:
> Well it might have made sense if struts 2 issues were somehow applicable to
> struts 1, but they're mostly not.
>
> For Struts 2 to be adopted, it needs to be clearly separated from struts 1,
> as is the code base. This includes having clearly separate support to make
> it as easy as possible to find help. It's not like it's we want a struts 1.5
> list. 2 is very different from 1.
>
> What's the mentality for keeping them jumbled together?
>
> I suppose you don't see a separate mailing list for every major tapestry
> release, but this is a case of adopting the best process that fit's the
> situation, and in this situation the lists should be seperate IMO.
>
>
> Dave Newton-4 wrote:
>> --- Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This list seems to be quite busy, and I think
>>> everyone would benefit hugely from separating out
>> the
>>> two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm
>>> surprised this hasn't been done already.
>> It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still
>> agree and would vote for separation if it was votable.
>>
>> d.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com>.
Well it might have made sense if struts 2 issues were somehow applicable to
struts 1, but they're mostly not.
For Struts 2 to be adopted, it needs to be clearly separated from struts 1,
as is the code base. This includes having clearly separate support to make
it as easy as possible to find help. It's not like it's we want a struts 1.5
list. 2 is very different from 1.
What's the mentality for keeping them jumbled together?
I suppose you don't see a separate mailing list for every major tapestry
release, but this is a case of adopting the best process that fit's the
situation, and in this situation the lists should be seperate IMO.
Dave Newton-4 wrote:
>
> --- Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This list seems to be quite busy, and I think
>> everyone would benefit hugely from separating out
> the
>> two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm
>> surprised this hasn't been done already.
>
> It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still
> agree and would vote for separation if it was votable.
>
> d.
>
>
>
>
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RE: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
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Probably not! Leaving UBS unsubscribing myself ;-(
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Re: Can we *please* havea seperate Struts *2* - User list?
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>.
--- Antony Stubbs <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This list seems to be quite busy, and I think
> everyone would benefit hugely from separating out
the
> two frameworks for obvious reasons. Actually I'm
> surprised this hasn't been done already.
It's been brought up (even by me) in the past; I still
agree and would vote for separation if it was votable.
d.
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