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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> on 2014/11/14 01:07:06 UTC
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
(am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
>otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
>
>I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
>but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
>health
>and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved at
>work.
>
>If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
>gather the 3 active people...
>
>I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
>addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
>
>I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
>future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
>code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
>happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
>that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
>>wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
>> call
>> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
>>that
>> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
>> mailing
>> > lists.
>> >
>> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving a
>> > consensus.
>> >
>> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
>> > +0 [ ]
>> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
>>
>> + 1 (binding).
>>
>> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
>>
>> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
>> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
>> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
>> project can easily be reinstated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>.
Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
from me as well.
I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see that
a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data warehousing
tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive, etc) and their
libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing, and that
there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their salt offers a
Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster within minutes,
but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away. And I see
organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well. Stacks
like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill part of
the gap, but I think we can do way better.
I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing for
my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say that
looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that Eclipse
is the way to go here.
Best,
Evert
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>
> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> >
> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> >health
> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved at
> >work.
> >
> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
> >gather the 3 active people...
> >
> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> >
> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
> >>wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
> >> call
> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
> >>that
> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
> >> mailing
> >> > lists.
> >> >
> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving a
> >> > consensus.
> >> >
> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
> >> > +0 [ ]
> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> >>
> >> + 1 (binding).
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> >>
> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman.
> >>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Rahul Sharma <ra...@gmail.com>.
I will keep the vote open till then. Maybe some consensuses can be found
for next development.
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org> wrote:
> Let me know the details, and I'll see if I can join. My calendar is even
> more of a mess than usual this week, though.
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Evert Lammerts <evert.lammerts@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > No update yet, we had to delay our chat because of conflicting agendas.
> We
> > should know more by Friday. If anybody wants to join just let me know and
> > I'll pas on the details. Don't think this will affect the retirement vote
> > though...
> >
> > Evert
> >
> > On 06:00, Tue, Nov 18, 2014 Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
> > > accordingly.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Rahul
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this
> > Monday
> > > > 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
> > > >
> > > > Evert
> > > >
> > > > On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <
> > > evert.lammerts@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the
> list,
> > > but
> > > > > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm
> > afraid.
> > > +0
> > > > > from me as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I
> > see
> > > > > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and
> data
> > > > > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase,
> > Hive,
> > > > etc)
> > > > > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still
> > > missing,
> > > > > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth
> > their
> > > > salt
> > > > > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a
> cluster
> > > > within
> > > > > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right
> > away.
> > > > And
> > > > > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as
> > well.
> > > > > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone
> nodes
> > > fill
> > > > > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm
> > addressing
> > > > > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to
> > > discuss
> > > > > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to
> > say
> > > > that
> > > > > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> > > > Eclipse
> > > > > is the way to go here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Evert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > > > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely
> explain
> > > > >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los
> > > Angeles
> > > > >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > > >> Chief Architect
> > > > >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > > > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > > >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > > > >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> > > > >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <
> > > dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> > > > >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to
> > abstain
> > > > +0;
> > > > >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> > > > future,
> > > > >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions,
> > and
> > > > >> >health
> > > > >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively
> > > involved
> > > > >> at
> > > > >> >work.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be
> > hard
> > > > to
> > > > >> >gather the 3 active people...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we
> > could
> > > be
> > > > >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to
> > it.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for
> > contributing
> > > > new
> > > > >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that
> > could
> > > > >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an
> option,
> > > but
> > > > >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache
> involvement).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <
> rvs@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <
> > rsharma@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >> >>wrote:
> > > > >> >> > Hi all,
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd
> > > like
> > > > to
> > > > >> >> call
> > > > >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It
> > > appears i
> > > > >> >>that
> > > > >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no
> activity
> > > on
> > > > >> >> mailing
> > > > >> >> > lists.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> > > > achieving
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> >> > consensus.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> > > > Incubator.
> > > > >> >> > +0 [ ]
> > > > >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> + 1 (binding).
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> > > > >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> > > > >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> > > > >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >> Roman.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Evert Lammerts
<ev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Roman! Quick question: do you know whether there's a procedure to revive
> retired podlings in the future? Or would one just restart the establishment
> process?
Basically all it takes is a VOTE on general@incubator and at least 3 +1 IPMC
votes. The source code and the rest of the infrastructure (such as JIRA, etc)
stays frozen and takes no time at all to revive.
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>.
Hi Roman! Quick question: do you know whether there's a procedure to revive
retired podlings in the future? Or would one just restart the establishment
process?
Evert
On Sat Nov 29 2014 at 7:17:59 AM Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:
> Hi!
>
> thanks for giving it the best try, guys! I guess at this point
> it would be useful for Mirko to record his updated vote
> on this thread and we can then call it.
>
> Thanks,
> ROman.
>
> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Rahul, others,
> >
> > Bob, Mirko and myself agree that a development environment for Hadoop can
> > be of added value to the community. After all effort that's gone into
> > making packaging (BigTop), deploying and tuning (Ambari, Cloudera
> Manager,
> > etc) Hadoop, and considering the ease with which a Hadoop / Spark cluster
> > can be deployed on public clouds, it'd be a logical step: as soon as you
> > have a Hadoop environment up and running, how are people going to write
> > jobs, and interact with the cluster in general?
> >
> > But regrettably we can't currently commit enough time among the three of
> us
> > to make any serious progress. So as far as we're concerned you can go
> ahead
> > and retire HDT Rahul!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Evert
> >
> >
> > On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 8:49:01 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> A little update to prevent the vote from closing: we're still discussing
> >> possible steps to make, see details in the thread below. We should have
> >> some sort of plan in a couple of days. In the meantime: contributions
> are
> >> very welcome!
> >>
> >> Evert
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >> From: Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Sun Nov 23 2014 at 2:05:27 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> >> To: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think that an environment that allows fast experimentation adds most
> >> value: building MapReduce and Spark jobs through Java, Scala, Python and
> >> Pig. It can provide a number of commonly used libraries (Mahout, Giraph,
> >> MLlib, GraphX), UDF's, Input- OutputFormats, Pig Readers and Writers and
> >> code templates. Would you guys commit to making an attempt at building
> >> this? If so then I propose we write a short proposal and send it to the
> >> list. In the meantime I'll forward this thread.
> >>
> >> Bob, I don't know enough about virtualenv internals. Do you think it'd
> be
> >> possible to plug that into Orion or Cloud9's server?
> >>
> >> Mirko, I'm open to exploring possibilities within Oozie, but personally
> >> I've never used it: I just write drivers that chain jobs. So I can't
> judge
> >> its applicability right now. Could we create a standalone IDE and when
> (if)
> >> we get that to work, plug it into Oozie?
> >>
> >> How about effort? I'm willing to commit to putting some time in the
> coming
> >> few months, but it'll be hard to do more than 10 hours weekly or so.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Evert
> >>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
Hi!
thanks for giving it the best try, guys! I guess at this point
it would be useful for Mirko to record his updated vote
on this thread and we can then call it.
Thanks,
ROman.
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Rahul, others,
>
> Bob, Mirko and myself agree that a development environment for Hadoop can
> be of added value to the community. After all effort that's gone into
> making packaging (BigTop), deploying and tuning (Ambari, Cloudera Manager,
> etc) Hadoop, and considering the ease with which a Hadoop / Spark cluster
> can be deployed on public clouds, it'd be a logical step: as soon as you
> have a Hadoop environment up and running, how are people going to write
> jobs, and interact with the cluster in general?
>
> But regrettably we can't currently commit enough time among the three of us
> to make any serious progress. So as far as we're concerned you can go ahead
> and retire HDT Rahul!
>
> Thanks,
> Evert
>
>
> On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 8:49:01 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> A little update to prevent the vote from closing: we're still discussing
>> possible steps to make, see details in the thread below. We should have
>> some sort of plan in a couple of days. In the meantime: contributions are
>> very welcome!
>>
>> Evert
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun Nov 23 2014 at 2:05:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>> To: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> I think that an environment that allows fast experimentation adds most
>> value: building MapReduce and Spark jobs through Java, Scala, Python and
>> Pig. It can provide a number of commonly used libraries (Mahout, Giraph,
>> MLlib, GraphX), UDF's, Input- OutputFormats, Pig Readers and Writers and
>> code templates. Would you guys commit to making an attempt at building
>> this? If so then I propose we write a short proposal and send it to the
>> list. In the meantime I'll forward this thread.
>>
>> Bob, I don't know enough about virtualenv internals. Do you think it'd be
>> possible to plug that into Orion or Cloud9's server?
>>
>> Mirko, I'm open to exploring possibilities within Oozie, but personally
>> I've never used it: I just write drivers that chain jobs. So I can't judge
>> its applicability right now. Could we create a standalone IDE and when (if)
>> we get that to work, plug it into Oozie?
>>
>> How about effort? I'm willing to commit to putting some time in the coming
>> few months, but it'll be hard to do more than 10 hours weekly or so.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Evert
>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>.
Hi Rahul, others,
Bob, Mirko and myself agree that a development environment for Hadoop can
be of added value to the community. After all effort that's gone into
making packaging (BigTop), deploying and tuning (Ambari, Cloudera Manager,
etc) Hadoop, and considering the ease with which a Hadoop / Spark cluster
can be deployed on public clouds, it'd be a logical step: as soon as you
have a Hadoop environment up and running, how are people going to write
jobs, and interact with the cluster in general?
But regrettably we can't currently commit enough time among the three of us
to make any serious progress. So as far as we're concerned you can go ahead
and retire HDT Rahul!
Thanks,
Evert
On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 8:49:01 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
> A little update to prevent the vote from closing: we're still discussing
> possible steps to make, see details in the thread below. We should have
> some sort of plan in a couple of days. In the meantime: contributions are
> very welcome!
>
> Evert
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun Nov 23 2014 at 2:05:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> To: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
>
>
> I think that an environment that allows fast experimentation adds most
> value: building MapReduce and Spark jobs through Java, Scala, Python and
> Pig. It can provide a number of commonly used libraries (Mahout, Giraph,
> MLlib, GraphX), UDF's, Input- OutputFormats, Pig Readers and Writers and
> code templates. Would you guys commit to making an attempt at building
> this? If so then I propose we write a short proposal and send it to the
> list. In the meantime I'll forward this thread.
>
> Bob, I don't know enough about virtualenv internals. Do you think it'd be
> possible to plug that into Orion or Cloud9's server?
>
> Mirko, I'm open to exploring possibilities within Oozie, but personally
> I've never used it: I just write drivers that chain jobs. So I can't judge
> its applicability right now. Could we create a standalone IDE and when (if)
> we get that to work, plug it into Oozie?
>
> How about effort? I'm willing to commit to putting some time in the coming
> few months, but it'll be hard to do more than 10 hours weekly or so.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Evert
>
Fwd: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>.
A little update to prevent the vote from closing: we're still discussing
possible steps to make, see details in the thread below. We should have
some sort of plan in a couple of days. In the meantime: contributions are
very welcome!
Evert
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun Nov 23 2014 at 2:05:27 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
To: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>, Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
I think that an environment that allows fast experimentation adds most
value: building MapReduce and Spark jobs through Java, Scala, Python and
Pig. It can provide a number of commonly used libraries (Mahout, Giraph,
MLlib, GraphX), UDF's, Input- OutputFormats, Pig Readers and Writers and
code templates. Would you guys commit to making an attempt at building
this? If so then I propose we write a short proposal and send it to the
list. In the meantime I'll forward this thread.
Bob, I don't know enough about virtualenv internals. Do you think it'd be
possible to plug that into Orion or Cloud9's server?
Mirko, I'm open to exploring possibilities within Oozie, but personally
I've never used it: I just write drivers that chain jobs. So I can't judge
its applicability right now. Could we create a standalone IDE and when (if)
we get that to work, plug it into Oozie?
How about effort? I'm willing to commit to putting some time in the coming
few months, but it'll be hard to do more than 10 hours weekly or so.
Cheers,
Evert
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Roman,
Sorry for the delay! Here I confirm my vote, changed to
+1 for retirement of the HDT project.
Cheers,
Mirko
2014-11-30 13:59 GMT+01:00 Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>:
> Mirko, Roman still needs you to confirm your +1, and I don't want to
> forward the below mail. Can you send it to the list?
>
> Evert
>
>
> On Thu Nov 27 2014 at 5:05:36 PM Mirko Kämpf <mi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Evert and Bob,
>>
>> from my side there is not so much good news. I am surprised by the bad
>> and often missing feedback from people I asked about the topic. There seams
>> to be not so much interest in the developer tools right now. Some people
>> mentioned their interest in the HUE server and in the Kite-SDK.
>> With this in mind I change my vote from -1 to +1 for retiring the HDT
>> project, at least for now.
>> Maybe it is a question of time until the critical mass of users have
>> found the best practices for which tool creation makes sense.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Mirko
>>
>>
>> 2014-11-27 14:09 GMT+00:00 Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>:
>>
>>> Guys, are we going to give this a shot? Lets make a decision and finish
>>> the thread.
>>>
>>> I'm in. But I won't be able to pull this on my own, and I have enough
>>> other projects that can use more attention as it is. So if you don't have
>>> the time, don't think it's feasible for the three of us, or feel this will
>>> be going anywhere for any other reason, then lets just call it a day and
>>> let Rahul retire HDT.
>>>
>>> Evert
>>>
>>> On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 2:05:27 PM Evert Lammerts <
>>> evert.lammerts@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that an environment that allows fast experimentation adds most
>>>> value: building MapReduce and Spark jobs through Java, Scala, Python and
>>>> Pig. It can provide a number of commonly used libraries (Mahout, Giraph,
>>>> MLlib, GraphX), UDF's, Input- OutputFormats, Pig Readers and Writers and
>>>> code templates. Would you guys commit to making an attempt at building
>>>> this? If so then I propose we write a short proposal and send it to the
>>>> list. In the meantime I'll forward this thread.
>>>>
>>>> Bob, I don't know enough about virtualenv internals. Do you think it'd
>>>> be possible to plug that into Orion or Cloud9's server?
>>>>
>>>> Mirko, I'm open to exploring possibilities within Oozie, but personally
>>>> I've never used it: I just write drivers that chain jobs. So I can't judge
>>>> its applicability right now. Could we create a standalone IDE and when (if)
>>>> we get that to work, plug it into Oozie?
>>>>
>>>> How about effort? I'm willing to commit to putting some time in the
>>>> coming few months, but it'll be hard to do more than 10 hours weekly or so.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Evert
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>.
Let me know the details, and I'll see if I can join. My calendar is even
more of a mess than usual this week, though.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> No update yet, we had to delay our chat because of conflicting agendas. We
> should know more by Friday. If anybody wants to join just let me know and
> I'll pas on the details. Don't think this will affect the retirement vote
> though...
>
> Evert
>
> On 06:00, Tue, Nov 18, 2014 Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
> > accordingly.
> >
> > regards
> > Rahul
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this
> Monday
> > > 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
> > >
> > > Evert
> > >
> > > On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <
> > evert.lammerts@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list,
> > but
> > > > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm
> afraid.
> > +0
> > > > from me as well.
> > > >
> > > > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I
> see
> > > > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> > > > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase,
> Hive,
> > > etc)
> > > > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still
> > missing,
> > > > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth
> their
> > > salt
> > > > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster
> > > within
> > > > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right
> away.
> > > And
> > > > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as
> well.
> > > > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes
> > fill
> > > > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> > > >
> > > > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm
> addressing
> > > > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to
> > discuss
> > > > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to
> say
> > > that
> > > > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> > > Eclipse
> > > > is the way to go here.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Evert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> > > >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los
> > Angeles
> > > >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> > > >>
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > >> Chief Architect
> > > >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > > >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> > > >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <
> > dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > > >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> > > >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> > > >>
> > > >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to
> abstain
> > > +0;
> > > >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> > > future,
> > > >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions,
> and
> > > >> >health
> > > >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively
> > involved
> > > >> at
> > > >> >work.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be
> hard
> > > to
> > > >> >gather the 3 active people...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we
> could
> > be
> > > >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to
> it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute
> in
> > > the
> > > >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for
> contributing
> > > new
> > > >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that
> could
> > > >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option,
> > but
> > > >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <
> rsharma@apache.org
> > >
> > > >> >>wrote:
> > > >> >> > Hi all,
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd
> > like
> > > to
> > > >> >> call
> > > >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It
> > appears i
> > > >> >>that
> > > >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity
> > on
> > > >> >> mailing
> > > >> >> > lists.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> > > achieving
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> > consensus.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> > > Incubator.
> > > >> >> > +0 [ ]
> > > >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> + 1 (binding).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> > > >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> > > >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> > > >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >> Roman.
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>.
Let me know the details, and I'll see if I can join. My calendar is even
more of a mess than usual this week, though.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> No update yet, we had to delay our chat because of conflicting agendas. We
> should know more by Friday. If anybody wants to join just let me know and
> I'll pas on the details. Don't think this will affect the retirement vote
> though...
>
> Evert
>
> On 06:00, Tue, Nov 18, 2014 Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
> > accordingly.
> >
> > regards
> > Rahul
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this
> Monday
> > > 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
> > >
> > > Evert
> > >
> > > On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <
> > evert.lammerts@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list,
> > but
> > > > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm
> afraid.
> > +0
> > > > from me as well.
> > > >
> > > > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I
> see
> > > > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> > > > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase,
> Hive,
> > > etc)
> > > > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still
> > missing,
> > > > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth
> their
> > > salt
> > > > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster
> > > within
> > > > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right
> away.
> > > And
> > > > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as
> well.
> > > > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes
> > fill
> > > > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> > > >
> > > > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm
> addressing
> > > > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to
> > discuss
> > > > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to
> say
> > > that
> > > > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> > > Eclipse
> > > > is the way to go here.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Evert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> > > >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los
> > Angeles
> > > >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> > > >>
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > > >> Chief Architect
> > > >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > > >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > > >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> > > >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <
> > dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > > >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> > > >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> > > >>
> > > >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to
> abstain
> > > +0;
> > > >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> > > future,
> > > >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions,
> and
> > > >> >health
> > > >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively
> > involved
> > > >> at
> > > >> >work.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be
> hard
> > > to
> > > >> >gather the 3 active people...
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we
> could
> > be
> > > >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to
> it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute
> in
> > > the
> > > >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for
> contributing
> > > new
> > > >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that
> could
> > > >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option,
> > but
> > > >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <
> rsharma@apache.org
> > >
> > > >> >>wrote:
> > > >> >> > Hi all,
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd
> > like
> > > to
> > > >> >> call
> > > >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It
> > appears i
> > > >> >>that
> > > >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity
> > on
> > > >> >> mailing
> > > >> >> > lists.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> > > achieving
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> > consensus.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> > > Incubator.
> > > >> >> > +0 [ ]
> > > >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> + 1 (binding).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> > > >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> > > >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> > > >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > >> >> Roman.
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>.
No update yet, we had to delay our chat because of conflicting agendas. We
should know more by Friday. If anybody wants to join just let me know and
I'll pas on the details. Don't think this will affect the retirement vote
though...
Evert
On 06:00, Tue, Nov 18, 2014 Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
> accordingly.
>
> regards
> Rahul
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this Monday
> > 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
> >
> > Evert
> >
> > On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <
> evert.lammerts@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list,
> but
> > > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid.
> +0
> > > from me as well.
> > >
> > > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see
> > > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> > > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive,
> > etc)
> > > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still
> missing,
> > > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their
> > salt
> > > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster
> > within
> > > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away.
> > And
> > > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well.
> > > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes
> fill
> > > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> > >
> > > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing
> > > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to
> discuss
> > > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say
> > that
> > > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> > Eclipse
> > > is the way to go here.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Evert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >
> > >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> > >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los
> Angeles
> > >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> > >>
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >> Chief Architect
> > >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> > >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <
> dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> > >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> > >>
> > >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain
> > +0;
> > >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> > >> >
> > >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> > future,
> > >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> > >> >health
> > >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively
> involved
> > >> at
> > >> >work.
> > >> >
> > >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard
> > to
> > >> >gather the 3 active people...
> > >> >
> > >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could
> be
> > >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> > >> >
> > >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in
> > the
> > >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing
> > new
> > >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> > >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option,
> but
> > >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rsharma@apache.org
> >
> > >> >>wrote:
> > >> >> > Hi all,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd
> like
> > to
> > >> >> call
> > >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It
> appears i
> > >> >>that
> > >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity
> on
> > >> >> mailing
> > >> >> > lists.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> > achieving
> > >> a
> > >> >> > consensus.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> > Incubator.
> > >> >> > +0 [ ]
> > >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> + 1 (binding).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> > >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> > >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> > >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Roman.
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>.
No update yet, we had to delay our chat because of conflicting agendas. We
should know more by Friday. If anybody wants to join just let me know and
I'll pas on the details. Don't think this will affect the retirement vote
though...
Evert
On 06:00, Tue, Nov 18, 2014 Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
> accordingly.
>
> regards
> Rahul
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this Monday
> > 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
> >
> > Evert
> >
> > On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <
> evert.lammerts@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list,
> but
> > > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid.
> +0
> > > from me as well.
> > >
> > > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see
> > > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> > > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive,
> > etc)
> > > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still
> missing,
> > > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their
> > salt
> > > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster
> > within
> > > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away.
> > And
> > > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well.
> > > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes
> fill
> > > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> > >
> > > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing
> > > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to
> discuss
> > > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say
> > that
> > > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> > Eclipse
> > > is the way to go here.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Evert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >
> > >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> > >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los
> Angeles
> > >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> > >>
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >> Chief Architect
> > >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> > >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <
> dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> > >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> > >>
> > >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain
> > +0;
> > >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> > >> >
> > >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> > future,
> > >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> > >> >health
> > >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively
> involved
> > >> at
> > >> >work.
> > >> >
> > >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard
> > to
> > >> >gather the 3 active people...
> > >> >
> > >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could
> be
> > >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> > >> >
> > >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in
> > the
> > >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing
> > new
> > >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> > >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option,
> but
> > >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rsharma@apache.org
> >
> > >> >>wrote:
> > >> >> > Hi all,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd
> like
> > to
> > >> >> call
> > >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It
> appears i
> > >> >>that
> > >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity
> on
> > >> >> mailing
> > >> >> > lists.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> > achieving
> > >> a
> > >> >> > consensus.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> > Incubator.
> > >> >> > +0 [ ]
> > >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> + 1 (binding).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> > >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> > >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> > >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Roman.
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>.
+1
Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
accordingly.
regards
Rahul
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
> For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this Monday
> 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
>
> Evert
>
> On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
> > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
> > from me as well.
> >
> > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see
> > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive,
> etc)
> > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing,
> > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their
> salt
> > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster
> within
> > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away.
> And
> > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well.
> > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill
> > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> >
> > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing
> > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
> > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say
> that
> > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> Eclipse
> > is the way to go here.
> >
> > Best,
> > Evert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
> >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Chief Architect
> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> >>
> >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain
> +0;
> >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> >> >
> >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> future,
> >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> >> >health
> >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved
> >> at
> >> >work.
> >> >
> >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard
> to
> >> >gather the 3 active people...
> >> >
> >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
> >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> >> >
> >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in
> the
> >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing
> new
> >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
> >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> > Hi all,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like
> to
> >> >> call
> >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
> >> >>that
> >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
> >> >> mailing
> >> >> > lists.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> achieving
> >> a
> >> >> > consensus.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> Incubator.
> >> >> > +0 [ ]
> >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> >> >>
> >> >> + 1 (binding).
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> >> >>
> >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Roman.
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>.
+1
Let me know if there is any update on this, I will conclude the vote
accordingly.
regards
Rahul
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org> wrote:
> For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this Monday
> 4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
>
> Evert
>
> On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
> > clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
> > from me as well.
> >
> > I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see
> > that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> > warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive,
> etc)
> > and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing,
> > and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their
> salt
> > offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster
> within
> > minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away.
> And
> > I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well.
> > Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill
> > part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
> >
> > I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing
> > for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
> > tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say
> that
> > looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that
> Eclipse
> > is the way to go here.
> >
> > Best,
> > Evert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> >> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
> >> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
> >>
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >> Chief Architect
> >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> >> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> >> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> >> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
> >>
> >> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain
> +0;
> >> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> >> >
> >> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the
> future,
> >> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> >> >health
> >> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved
> >> at
> >> >work.
> >> >
> >> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard
> to
> >> >gather the 3 active people...
> >> >
> >> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
> >> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> >> >
> >> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in
> the
> >> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing
> new
> >> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> >> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
> >> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> > Hi all,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like
> to
> >> >> call
> >> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
> >> >>that
> >> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
> >> >> mailing
> >> >> > lists.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on
> achieving
> >> a
> >> >> > consensus.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache
> Incubator.
> >> >> > +0 [ ]
> >> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> >> >>
> >> >> + 1 (binding).
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> >> >>
> >> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> >> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> >> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> >> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Roman.
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>.
For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this Monday
4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
Evert
On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
> clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
> from me as well.
>
> I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see
> that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive, etc)
> and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing,
> and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their salt
> offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster within
> minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away. And
> I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well.
> Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill
> part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
>
> I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing
> for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
> tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say that
> looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that Eclipse
> is the way to go here.
>
> Best,
> Evert
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
>> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
>> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
>> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
>> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>>
>> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
>> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
>> >
>> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
>> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
>> >health
>> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved
>> at
>> >work.
>> >
>> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
>> >gather the 3 active people...
>> >
>> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
>> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
>> >
>> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
>> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
>> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
>> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
>> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
>> >>wrote:
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
>> >> call
>> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
>> >>that
>> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
>> >> mailing
>> >> > lists.
>> >> >
>> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving
>> a
>> >> > consensus.
>> >> >
>> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
>> >> > +0 [ ]
>> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
>> >>
>> >> + 1 (binding).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
>> >>
>> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
>> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
>> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
>> >> project can easily be reinstated.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Roman.
>> >>
>>
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>.
For whoever is interested: I'm having a Skype call with Mirko this Monday
4pm CET. Let me know if you'd like to join!
Evert
On Fri Nov 14 2014 at 9:27:40 PM Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
> clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
> from me as well.
>
> I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see
> that a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data
> warehousing tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive, etc)
> and their libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing,
> and that there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their salt
> offers a Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster within
> minutes, but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away. And
> I see organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well.
> Stacks like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill
> part of the gap, but I think we can do way better.
>
> I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing
> for my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
> tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say that
> looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that Eclipse
> is the way to go here.
>
> Best,
> Evert
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
>> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
>> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
>> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
>> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
>> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>>
>> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
>> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
>> >
>> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
>> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
>> >health
>> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved
>> at
>> >work.
>> >
>> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
>> >gather the 3 active people...
>> >
>> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
>> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
>> >
>> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
>> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
>> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
>> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
>> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
>> >>wrote:
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
>> >> call
>> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
>> >>that
>> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
>> >> mailing
>> >> > lists.
>> >> >
>> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving
>> a
>> >> > consensus.
>> >> >
>> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
>> >> > +0 [ ]
>> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
>> >>
>> >> + 1 (binding).
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
>> >>
>> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
>> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
>> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
>> >> project can easily be reinstated.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Roman.
>> >>
>>
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>.
Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
from me as well.
I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see that
a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data warehousing
tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive, etc) and their
libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing, and that
there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their salt offers a
Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster within minutes,
but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away. And I see
organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well. Stacks
like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill part of
the gap, but I think we can do way better.
I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing for
my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say that
looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that Eclipse
is the way to go here.
Best,
Evert
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>
> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> >
> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> >health
> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved at
> >work.
> >
> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
> >gather the 3 active people...
> >
> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> >
> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
> >>wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
> >> call
> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
> >>that
> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
> >> mailing
> >> > lists.
> >> >
> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving a
> >> > consensus.
> >> >
> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
> >> > +0 [ ]
> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> >>
> >> + 1 (binding).
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> >>
> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman.
> >>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@apache.org>.
Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
from me as well.
I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see that
a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data warehousing
tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive, etc) and their
libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing, and that
there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their salt offers a
Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster within minutes,
but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away. And I see
organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well. Stacks
like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill part of
the gap, but I think we can do way better.
I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing for
my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say that
looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that Eclipse
is the way to go here.
Best,
Evert
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>
> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> >
> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> >health
> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved at
> >work.
> >
> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
> >gather the 3 active people...
> >
> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> >
> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
> >>wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
> >> call
> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
> >>that
> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
> >> mailing
> >> > lists.
> >> >
> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving a
> >> > consensus.
> >> >
> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
> >> > +0 [ ]
> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> >>
> >> + 1 (binding).
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> >>
> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman.
> >>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
Posted by Evert Lammerts <ev...@gmail.com>.
Like Bob I would have liked to do more than just monitoring the list, but
clearly I haven't and that doesn't give me much legitimacy I'm afraid. +0
from me as well.
I've just come back to Hadoop after an absence of 18 months, and I see that
a development environment for Hadoop-related computing and data warehousing
tools (MapReduce, Spark [SQL|Streaming], Pig, HBase, Hive, etc) and their
libraries (Mahout, Giraph, MLlib and GraphX) is still missing, and that
there *is* a real need for it. Any cloud provider worth their salt offers a
Hadoop as a platform service where you can deploy a cluster within minutes,
but there's no way to get started developing jobs right away. And I see
organisations struggle with this on private deployments as well. Stacks
like Hue and IPython Notebook and simple stepping stone nodes fill part of
the gap, but I think we can do way better.
I've just come back to this space, and this is a problem I'm addressing for
my current client (a bank) as well. If somebody would like to discuss
tackling this together then lets set up a short call. I do have to say that
looking at the current Hadoop toolset, I'm no longer convinced that Eclipse
is the way to go here.
Best,
Evert
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> CC¹ing folks from general@incubator.a.o as they can likely explain
> (am currently getting ready for a flight back from Italy to Los Angeles
> and won¹t have time for a bit, Bob).
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kerns <rw...@acm.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2014 at 6:58 PM
> To: "dev@hdt.incubator.apache.org" <de...@hdt.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire HDT
>
> >As someone who has unfortunately been inactive, I'm going to abstain +0;
> >otherwise I'd vote -1 and try to be one of those 3 active folks.
> >
> >I still have hopes of doing more stuff with Hadoop and HDT in the future,
> >but job responsibilities keep shifting in unexpected directions, and
> >health
> >and family don't leave me enough time to do it if not actively involved at
> >work.
> >
> >If retired, will this list remain active? Otherwise, it might be hard to
> >gather the 3 active people...
> >
> >I think there's significant needs that are going unmet that we could be
> >addressing, if people (myself included) had the time to devote to it.
> >
> >I've not stopped monitoring the list, and I do hope to contribute in the
> >future. If it is retired, what will be the mechanics for contributing new
> >code? Would it have to be brought out of retirement before that could
> >happen via Apache? (Obviously, a fork on GitHub would be an option, but
> >that might detract from a path back to active Apache involvement).
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rv...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Rahul Sharma <rs...@apache.org>
> >>wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Based on the discussion happened on the mailing list [1] ,I'd like to
> >> call
> >> > a VOTE to retire[2] Apache HDT from Apache Incubator. It appears i
> >>that
> >> > the project has lost community interest with almost no activity on
> >> mailing
> >> > lists.
> >> >
> >> > This VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours and passes on achieving a
> >> > consensus.
> >> >
> >> > +1 [ ] Yes, I am in favor of retiring HDT from the Apache Incubator.
> >> > +0 [ ]
> >> > -1 [ ] No, I am not in favor of retiring HDT because...
> >>
> >> + 1 (binding).
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your efforts Rahul!
> >>
> >> I've also appreciated Mirko's comment, but I must say that
> >> retirement is NOT a death sentence. The code still will be
> >> available and if least 3 active folks were to show up the
> >> project can easily be reinstated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman.
> >>
>
>