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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by Bill Hilf <bh...@etoys.com> on 2000/06/16 03:06:37 UTC
[JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
The Gig:
--------
We at eToys Engineering are seeking mod_perl and Apache developers to help
us solve some of the most interesting puzzles facing high volume Internet
systems today.
What you're about:
------------------
You have a solid understanding of mod_perl, the Apache API, and Perl
5. You have experience with database interaction via DBI (working
experience with Oracle is a big plus). In addition to mod_perl and
Apache, you know/love/are-familiar with some of the following: clustered
architectures, Linux, object-oriented programming and methodologies,
ecommerce security, and capacity planning and tuning for high-volume
systems.
What we're about:
-----------------
We are a strictly *nix software development shop and encourage and promote
the use and publication of Open Source software. Our Engineering staff
includes developers who contribute heavily to lists such as this, and have
numerous contributions throughout the Open Source and web development
communities. Our work environment is casual and fun - our focus is on
building great software, not if you're in the office at 8am. All the
other typical tech benefits apply: free sodas, concierge services, home
high-speed access, etc. We're located in Santa Monica, Calif., about five
minutes from the beach.
eToys Engineering offers competitive compensation, relocation, and
*really* great deals on toys.
If interested, email me: bhilf@etoys.com
Thanks,
Bill Hilf
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by "Jeffrey W. Baker" <jw...@acm.org>.
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Shane Nay wrote:
> Hehe, I was going to say I thought I saw some etoy.com action in Perrin's
> headers, but looks like he spoke up for himself. The bottom line is that a lot
> of companies have law departments that Do Bad Things. You just have to keep
> them in check. (i.e. Get GPL clauses in your contracts!, it's _IMPORTANT_, I'm
> doing this right now, and will see if it's okay with my lawyer to post the
> wording for anyone to use.)
Besides of course abiding by all your software licenses, I believe
programmers working for Internet companies have another serious duty.
That is to squarely refuse to assist in the filing of insipid patents.
You can also have it written into your offer of employment that patent
applications are excluded from your work duties. By doing so, the
technical people who are behind the inventions can keep the Internet
patent land grab from getting out of control.
IMHO, naturally. Your philosophical mileage may vary.
Jeffrey Baker
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Shane Nay <sh...@isupportlive.com>.
Hehe, I was going to say I thought I saw some etoy.com action in Perrin's
headers, but looks like he spoke up for himself. The bottom line is that a lot
of companies have law departments that Do Bad Things. You just have to keep
them in check. (i.e. Get GPL clauses in your contracts!, it's _IMPORTANT_, I'm
doing this right now, and will see if it's okay with my lawyer to post the
wording for anyone to use.)
<rant>
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15 lines. Hmm.., what's the distribution of the mod_perl list? Probably 1000
or so. So, 15,000 lines of almost spam. Please dreamwvr..., keep it down to
a dull roar. People that include mini commercials like Matt tend to keep it
pretty small and professional, like 4 lines. 15 is too much..., no yelling
either.
</rant>
Shane.
(Totally offtopic, but I had to say something)
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by David Emery <da...@skiddlydee.com>.
At 21:27 -0600 00.6.15, dreamwvr wrote:
>Hi Jeffery,
>What is this about?
>> You forgot the part about suing legitimate domain name holders, harrassing
>> artists with little or no income, and trying to extend USA jurisdiction to
>> the internet.
>>
>> While I'm sure the engineering department had no part in such things, I
>> believe the readers of this list acare deeply about corporate culture and
> > freedom on the Internet.
>>
>
Here's a link to a one of of the Slashdot articles on the subject
http://slashdot.org/yro/99/12/30/1159249.shtml
The article includes links to related articles from Wired, C-Net, etc. Only
the Wired links seem to remain live.
More at http://www.toywar.com including a graphical rundown of the whole
episode.
Dave
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by dreamwvr <dr...@dreamwvr.com>.
Hi Jeffery,
What is this about?
> You forgot the part about suing legitimate domain name holders, harrassing
> artists with little or no income, and trying to extend USA jurisdiction to
> the internet.
>
> While I'm sure the engineering department had no part in such things, I
> believe the readers of this list acare deeply about corporate culture and
> freedom on the Internet.
>
> Jeffrey Baker
--
Reuters, London, February 29, 1998:
Scientists have announced discovering a meteorite which will strike the
earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being
spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038.
_______________________________________________________________________
************** DREAMWVR.COM - TOTAL INTERNET SERVICES ****************
TOTAL DESIGN - DEVELOPMENT - INTEGRATION - SECURITY - Click Here..
<http://www.dreamwvr.com/services/MAX_SEC.html>;
DREAMWVR.COM - The Console of Many... 90 Topics Covered
<http://www.dreamwvr.com/dynamicduo.html>;
<ma...@dreamwvr.com>;
->> LINUX-MANDRAKE Solution Provider and North American Distributor<<-
PRODUCT OF THE YEAR!
<http://www.dreamwvr.com/mandrake/mandrake-main.html>;
"===0 PGP Key Available
*************** "As Unique as the Company You Keep."*****************
"If anyone speaks from DREAMWVR.COM its certainly not me:-)"
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Re: Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
Posted by darren chamberlain <da...@boston.com>.
Michael Todd Glazier (michaeltodd@Galli-Glazier.com) said something to this effect:
> As a way to speed up the CGIs but allow my designers easy access to
> the html file, I'm executing an Apache::Registry CGI script from
> within an .shtml document using #exec cgi . The Apache manual says to
> prefer use of #include virtual, but that doesn't pass the query
> string from the request. In a way this is a hacked template system. :)
>
> Is there a reason, barring the known fact it would be faster as a
> full blown module :), not to use this set-up?
>
> Thanks!
>
> - mt
How about using Perl includes, like <!--#perl sub="My::Package" -->? Much
cleaner, and still consistant with other types of includes. And, since it
uses the standard Apache/mod_perl module format (sub handler and all that),
the modules you use in Perl subs can be easily moved over to full handlers
if necessary.
Perl subs requires that mod_perl be built staticalll with Apache, and that
mod_perl built with EVERYTHING=1 or PERL_SSI=1.
darren
--
If God had not given us sticky tape, it would have been necessary to invent it.
Re: Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
Posted by Vivek Khera <kh...@kciLink.com>.
>>>>> "MTG" == Michael Todd Glazier <mi...@galli-glazier.com> writes:
MTG> <!--#perl sub="Apache::Include" arg="/perl/ssi.pl" -->
MTG> The book Professional Apache says this is more efficient than include
MTG> virtual since it allows scripts to be persistent, but I don't see how
MTG> they would not be using include virtual.
I have mod_perl as dynamic since I run different configs on different
boxes and I hate to have multiple binaries... The #perl doesn't work
with dynamic mod_perl.
The boot Professional Apache must assume that whatever you're #include
virtual-ing is non-mod_perl otherwise this statement wrong.
Re: Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
Posted by Michael Todd Glazier <mi...@galli-glazier.com>.
At 9:39 AM -0400 6/22/00, Vivek Khera wrote:
>
>I use the include virtual in some situations. If you want the query
>string, just append it:
>
> <!--#include virtual="/path/to/program?$QUERY_STRING" -->
Do you happen to know if there's any performance difference between
using the include and virtual and using the following:
<!--#perl sub="Apache::Include" arg="/perl/ssi.pl" -->
The book Professional Apache says this is more efficient than include
virtual since it allows scripts to be persistent, but I don't see how
they would not be using include virtual.
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the time.
- mt
Re: Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
Posted by Vivek Khera <kh...@kciLink.com>.
>>>>> "MTG" == Michael Todd Glazier <mi...@Galli-Glazier.com> writes:
MTG> As a way to speed up the CGIs but allow my designers easy access to
MTG> the html file, I'm executing an Apache::Registry CGI script from
MTG> within an .shtml document using #exec cgi . The Apache manual says to
MTG> prefer use of #include virtual, but that doesn't pass the query
MTG> string from the request. In a way this is a hacked template system. :)
I use the include virtual in some situations. If you want the query
string, just append it:
<!--#include virtual="/path/to/program?$QUERY_STRING" -->
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RE: Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
Posted by Kenneth Lee <ke...@alfacomtech.com>.
Hey, I'm doing this too! I use #include virtual to invoke
my CGI scripts to embed some dynamic objects. But to do so
my scripts have to add a if-construct to get the query string
when running as a SSI script:
if ($ENV{SERVER_PROTOCOL} eq 'INCLUDED') {
($qstr) =~ ($ENV{REQUEST_URI} =~ /\?(.*)/);
$q = new CGI $qstr;
} else {
$q = new CGI;
}
yeah, this is ugly, but i'm doing this anyway.
hope this helps.
kenneth
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Todd Glazier [mailto:michaeltodd@Galli-Glazier.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 9:36 AM
To: modperl@apache.org
Subject: Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
As a way to speed up the CGIs but allow my designers easy access to
the html file, I'm executing an Apache::Registry CGI script from
within an .shtml document using #exec cgi . The Apache manual says to
prefer use of #include virtual, but that doesn't pass the query
string from the request. In a way this is a hacked template system. :)
Is there a reason, barring the known fact it would be faster as a
full blown module :), not to use this set-up?
Thanks!
- mt
Any reason not to SSI include Registry scripts?
Posted by Michael Todd Glazier <mi...@Galli-Glazier.com>.
As a way to speed up the CGIs but allow my designers easy access to
the html file, I'm executing an Apache::Registry CGI script from
within an .shtml document using #exec cgi . The Apache manual says to
prefer use of #include virtual, but that doesn't pass the query
string from the request. In a way this is a hacked template system. :)
Is there a reason, barring the known fact it would be faster as a
full blown module :), not to use this set-up?
Thanks!
- mt
Re: [OT] Enough about etoys!
Posted by Gunther Birznieks <gu...@extropia.com>.
At 01:49 PM 6/21/00 -0500, Jeff Gleixner wrote:
>Ed Phillips wrote:
> >
> > It is interesting and and somewhat ironic that the Engineering
> > dep at eToys [...]
> >Paul Singh wrote:
>
>Enough already! Please stop posting non-mod_perl related drivel to this
>list! It is neither ironic nor interesting and it's not why people have
>signed-up for this list.
>
>Yes, this message isn't related. Sorry all. I'm just fed up with this
>noise.
Yeah, but it should be [OT] Enough about etoys! :) Believe it or not , some
people do explicitly filter out OT's so it's considered etiquette to put that.
However, with that said, my impression is that OT topics were at least
moderately associated with mod_perl even if not directly. This is just
really really not associated with mod_perl directly or indirectly (from a
technical level) and so although I read OT posts, I really hate this thread.
Especially when it's clearly not a black and white issue and too emotional
for a mailing list. I also do not want to hear this talk anymore, stuff
like this is better for slashdot. (And it's one of the reasons I stopped
reading slashdot although I was an addict for a long while).
I am also a ashamed at the thought of people new to mod_perl joining this
list and seeing these occasional nasty messages back and forth(whether
warranted or not there are other forums for this type of thing).
I prefer if we keep this list professional and as ON TOPIC (OT ... :)) as
possible even for OT messages.
Newbies don't really always understand OT abbreviation and what it means
either.
Later,
Gunther
Enough about etoys!
Posted by Jeff Gleixner <gl...@uswest.net>.
Ed Phillips wrote:
>
> It is interesting and and somewhat ironic that the Engineering
> dep at eToys [...]
>Paul Singh wrote:
Enough already! Please stop posting non-mod_perl related drivel to this
list! It is neither ironic nor interesting and it's not why people have
signed-up for this list.
Yes, this message isn't related. Sorry all. I'm just fed up with this
noise.
Thank you
--
Groucho Marx Saying of the moment :
Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Ed Phillips <ed...@homewarehouse.com>.
It is interesting and and somewhat ironic that the Engineering
dep at eToys is part of the open source community and culture
while their management's behavior was so disastrously misguided
and so misunderstanding of net culture and precedent.
They shot themselves in the foot pretty badly.
Would eToys have paid for the legal expenses of the Etoy group
if they weren't clued in by their Engineering department? Have
they learned a hard lesson?
Perrin is an exemplary figure, and I commiserate with him, but
some basic precedents of net culture need to be respected for the
network to function and the culture to flourish. If we had not
protested the attempted eToys domain grab, and I was one
who protested, they may have never recanted and Etoy might
still be fighting at absurd personal cost.
Cheers,
Ed
Paul Singh wrote:
> Regardless of what eToys' intentions were, the way I see it, this was a case
> in which a billion dollar corporation (well, at least it was back then)
> filed suit against a handful of artists who had the etoy.com domain way
> before eToys came along. eToys had no legitimate stake to the domain... and
> I don't associate legitimacy with the law... they seldom coincide. So if
> this isn't a case of the bigger guy bullying the little guy, what is it?
> Granted, I have a distant association with the eToy crew so my opinions will
> be biased... however, even with staying to the facts and ignoring eToys'
> motivations, their actions alone reek of unfairness (at best).
>
> Of course, this says little of what type of work environment eToys is and
> the people that work there... but it does comment on the corporation and the
> people running it.
>
> But as you said, this is definitely off-topic, and I will cease further
> comment... take care.
>
> - jps
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Perrin Harkins [mailto:perrin@primenet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 4:48 PM
> > To: Paul Singh
> > Cc: ModPerl Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Paul Singh wrote:
> > > While that may be true (as with many publications), I hope you're not
> > > denying the facts of this case
> >
> > The basic facts are correct: eToys received complaints from parents about
> > the content their children found on the etoy.com site and, after failing
> > to reach an agreement with the site's operators, filed a lawsuit involving
> > trademarks which led to etoy being ordered to shut down their site by a
> > judge.
> >
> > Slashdot's coverage ignored or underreported some aspects of the situation
> > (the motivation behind the lawsuit, epxloitation of the name confusion on
> > the part of etoy), and reported some conjecture and pure flights of fancy
> > as fact (evil intentions, scheming lawyers). You have no idea how painful
> > it is to read things like that from a source that you trust and consider
> > part of your community. I guess I should have known better though:
> > Slashdot is an op/ed site. If you want the news, you still have to read
> > the New York Times (who had much more accurate coverage of the events).
> >
> > Anyway, I don't claim that eToys was right to take legal action, just that
> > the reports about an evil empire were greatly exaggerated and that eToys
> > is a good place to work, full of good people. Anyone who doesn't believe
> > me at this point probably never will, so I'm going to stop spamming the
> > list about this subject and go back to spamming about mod_perl.
> >
> > - Perrin
> >
RE: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Paul Singh <ps...@dmnetworks.com>.
Regardless of what eToys' intentions were, the way I see it, this was a case
in which a billion dollar corporation (well, at least it was back then)
filed suit against a handful of artists who had the etoy.com domain way
before eToys came along. eToys had no legitimate stake to the domain... and
I don't associate legitimacy with the law... they seldom coincide. So if
this isn't a case of the bigger guy bullying the little guy, what is it?
Granted, I have a distant association with the eToy crew so my opinions will
be biased... however, even with staying to the facts and ignoring eToys'
motivations, their actions alone reek of unfairness (at best).
Of course, this says little of what type of work environment eToys is and
the people that work there... but it does comment on the corporation and the
people running it.
But as you said, this is definitely off-topic, and I will cease further
comment... take care.
- jps
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perrin Harkins [mailto:perrin@primenet.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 4:48 PM
> To: Paul Singh
> Cc: ModPerl Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Paul Singh wrote:
> > While that may be true (as with many publications), I hope you're not
> > denying the facts of this case
>
> The basic facts are correct: eToys received complaints from parents about
> the content their children found on the etoy.com site and, after failing
> to reach an agreement with the site's operators, filed a lawsuit involving
> trademarks which led to etoy being ordered to shut down their site by a
> judge.
>
> Slashdot's coverage ignored or underreported some aspects of the situation
> (the motivation behind the lawsuit, epxloitation of the name confusion on
> the part of etoy), and reported some conjecture and pure flights of fancy
> as fact (evil intentions, scheming lawyers). You have no idea how painful
> it is to read things like that from a source that you trust and consider
> part of your community. I guess I should have known better though:
> Slashdot is an op/ed site. If you want the news, you still have to read
> the New York Times (who had much more accurate coverage of the events).
>
> Anyway, I don't claim that eToys was right to take legal action, just that
> the reports about an evil empire were greatly exaggerated and that eToys
> is a good place to work, full of good people. Anyone who doesn't believe
> me at this point probably never will, so I'm going to stop spamming the
> list about this subject and go back to spamming about mod_perl.
>
> - Perrin
>
RE: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Perrin Harkins <pe...@primenet.com>.
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Paul Singh wrote:
> While that may be true (as with many publications), I hope you're not
> denying the facts of this case
The basic facts are correct: eToys received complaints from parents about
the content their children found on the etoy.com site and, after failing
to reach an agreement with the site's operators, filed a lawsuit involving
trademarks which led to etoy being ordered to shut down their site by a
judge.
Slashdot's coverage ignored or underreported some aspects of the situation
(the motivation behind the lawsuit, epxloitation of the name confusion on
the part of etoy), and reported some conjecture and pure flights of fancy
as fact (evil intentions, scheming lawyers). You have no idea how painful
it is to read things like that from a source that you trust and consider
part of your community. I guess I should have known better though:
Slashdot is an op/ed site. If you want the news, you still have to read
the New York Times (who had much more accurate coverage of the events).
Anyway, I don't claim that eToys was right to take legal action, just that
the reports about an evil empire were greatly exaggerated and that eToys
is a good place to work, full of good people. Anyone who doesn't believe
me at this point probably never will, so I'm going to stop spamming the
list about this subject and go back to spamming about mod_perl.
- Perrin
RE: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Paul Singh <ps...@dmnetworks.com>.
>
> I like Slashdot too, but don't believe everything you read there. They
> sometimes skew the facts a bit in their eagerness for good stories.
>
While that may be true (as with many publications), I hope you're not
denying the facts of this case... which basically boil down to a corporation
coming in and harassing a bunch of artists who had a more legitimate right
to their domain. If anything, it seems to me that etoy.com would have a
better case against etoys.com, rather than the other way around.
None the less, this is extremely OT and I apologize...
- jps
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Billy Donahue <bi...@dadadada.net>.
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> That whole thing was resolved quite a while ago, and ended with etoy.com
> getting their domain back and eToys paying their legal fees. This
> company has nothing against artists and is not an evil faceless
> corporation; just a bunch of people running a big toy store.
Oh gee, I guess eToys.com were the good guys after all!
Come on....
- --
"The Funk, the whole Funk, and nothing but the Funk."
Billy Donahue <ma...@dadadada.net>
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Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by Perrin Harkins <pe...@primenet.com>.
"Jeffrey W. Baker" wrote:
> You forgot the part about suing legitimate domain name holders, harrassing
> artists with little or no income, and trying to extend USA jurisdiction to
> the internet.
>
> While I'm sure the engineering department had no part in such things, I
> believe the readers of this list acare deeply about corporate culture and
> freedom on the Internet.
Well, thank you for at least that last part. You're right, the
engineering department here (yes, I work at eToys) had nothing to do
with it. We are nice people doing fun work with mod_perl and other open
source software.
That whole thing was resolved quite a while ago, and ended with etoy.com
getting their domain back and eToys paying their legal fees. This
company has nothing against artists and is not an evil faceless
corporation; just a bunch of people running a big toy store.
I like Slashdot too, but don't believe everything you read there. They
sometimes skew the facts a bit in their eagerness for good stories.
- Perrin
Re: [OT] [JOB] mod_perl and Apache developers wanted
Posted by "Jeffrey W. Baker" <jw...@acm.org>.
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Bill Hilf wrote:
> What we're about:
> -----------------
> We are a strictly *nix software development shop and encourage and promote
> the use and publication of Open Source software. Our Engineering staff
> includes developers who contribute heavily to lists such as this, and have
> numerous contributions throughout the Open Source and web development
> communities. Our work environment is casual and fun - our focus is on
> building great software, not if you're in the office at 8am. All the
> other typical tech benefits apply: free sodas, concierge services, home
> high-speed access, etc. We're located in Santa Monica, Calif., about five
> minutes from the beach.
You forgot the part about suing legitimate domain name holders, harrassing
artists with little or no income, and trying to extend USA jurisdiction to
the internet.
While I'm sure the engineering department had no part in such things, I
believe the readers of this list acare deeply about corporate culture and
freedom on the Internet.
Jeffrey Baker