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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Dirk Verbeeck <di...@pandora.be> on 2004/06/01 23:06:09 UTC
Re: [site] main + sandbox site update
The css only contains a max height for the header so the header will
resize.
But to support small screens I just added a small javascript to switch
logo if window size < 850.
Larger browser windows or browsers with javascript disabled get the
wide version.
Result can be seen/tested here:
http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkv/commons/index.html
And to make testing easier:
http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkv/commons/size.html
Please test & report browser problems.
-- Dirk
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> Please review the discussion we had previously on this...
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg38884.html
>
>
> This is the reason we settled on the selected logo's, because it was of
> less overall impact on the group and accomplished our goals of
> maintaining the site fits within 600x800 as a standard.
>
> Just to point out, with your changes, the height of the header is not
> going to adjust to be narrower because all the individual project logos
> are at 80px height, having the jakarta logo narrower than 80px in height
> is of little benefit, your going to have to press every single project
> to generate new logos that are narrower in height so that the whole
> header is narrower. The downfall of this is that these logos are already
> hard-pressed for space to fit adequately within the header without
> looking totally "crunched".
>
> If your using the /commons-build/commons-site.jsl. It has the height of
> the header hardcoded in the css style to enforce that the same height is
> maintained across the whole commons. It doesn't look like your using it
> for the sandbox site. I'm not complaining, just noticing that theres a
> difference, there are modifications in the commons-build jsl that are
> absent form the sandbox copy.
>
> I'm not trying to be argumentative. We definitely need this kind of
> experimentation and redesign efforts done to the overall site. I think
> everyone agrees these efforts are very appreciated. I just want us to be
> methodical and consensus driven in our approach.
>
> -Mark
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Re: [site] Thoughts on breadcrumbs
Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
I now think your right. I went and looked at several large maven sites,
I have to say, no one really uses this as a bread crumb trail. Its
mostly just used to provide links to related projects. For instance:
Maven, Jelly, Plugins etc...
-Mark
Dirk Verbeeck wrote:
> Personally I don't see a lot of added value.
> Jakarta already has a big logo with a link and the Commons Homepage is
> the first item in the menu.
>
> If it becomes a real bread crumb trail, from apache to the actual page
> then it might be more usefull.
>
> -- Dirk
Re: [site] Thoughts on breadcrumbs
Posted by Dirk Verbeeck <di...@pandora.be>.
Personally I don't see a lot of added value.
Jakarta already has a big logo with a link and the Commons Homepage is
the first item in the menu.
If it becomes a real bread crumb trail, from apache to the actual page
then it might be more usefull.
-- Dirk
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> Site looks good.
>
> I was considering the idea that we should go through each project and
> make sure the navigation.xml files contain proper bread crumb links in
> the grey breadcrumb bar.
>
> See Math for example:
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/math/
>
> This is something that can be a global entity include just like the
> other navigation sections.
>
>
> <project name="Math">
>
> <title>Math</title>
> <organizationLogo href="/images/jakarta-logo-blue.gif">
> Jakarta
> </organizationLogo>
>
> <body>
> <links>
> <item name="Jakarta"
> href="http://jakarta.apache.org"/>
> <item name="Jakarta Commons"
> href="http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/"/>
> </links>
>
> ...
>
>
> the following could be in a file global-links.ent that gets included
> into menus.dtd
>
> <links>
> <item name="Jakarta"
> href="http://jakarta.apache.org"/>
> <item name="Jakarta Commons"
> href="http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/"/>
> </links>
>
>
> included into the dtd as
>
> <!ENTITY global-links SYSTEM "global-links.ent">
> <!ENTITY common-menus "&top-menus;&bottom-menus;&global-links;">
>
>
> -Mark
>
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[site] Thoughts on breadcrumbs
Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
Site looks good.
I was considering the idea that we should go through each project and
make sure the navigation.xml files contain proper bread crumb links in
the grey breadcrumb bar.
See Math for example:
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/math/
This is something that can be a global entity include just like the
other navigation sections.
<project name="Math">
<title>Math</title>
<organizationLogo href="/images/jakarta-logo-blue.gif">
Jakarta
</organizationLogo>
<body>
<links>
<item name="Jakarta"
href="http://jakarta.apache.org"/>
<item name="Jakarta Commons"
href="http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/"/>
</links>
...
the following could be in a file global-links.ent that gets included
into menus.dtd
<links>
<item name="Jakarta"
href="http://jakarta.apache.org"/>
<item name="Jakarta Commons"
href="http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/"/>
</links>
included into the dtd as
<!ENTITY global-links SYSTEM "global-links.ent">
<!ENTITY common-menus "&top-menus;&bottom-menus;&global-links;">
-Mark
--
Mark Diggory
Software Developer
Harvard MIT Data Center
http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu
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Re: [site] main + sandbox site update
Posted by Dirk Verbeeck <di...@pandora.be>.
Glad you like it, sandbox + main site are updated just now...
-- Dirk
Mark R. Diggory wrote:
> I saw this and burst out laughing. How totally unexpected... ;-) Very
> inventive!
>
> Dirk Verbeeck wrote:
>
>> The css only contains a max height for the header so the header will
>> resize.
>>
> Yes, your right, but my main point was that the min height is going to
> be constrained by the projects logo and resizing this logo will be very
> ugly.
>
>> But to support small screens I just added a small javascript to switch
>> logo if window size < 850.
>> Larger browser windows or browsers with javascript disabled get the
>> wide version.
>>
>> Result can be seen/tested here:
>> http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkv/commons/index.html
>>
>> And to make testing easier:
>> http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkv/commons/size.html
>>
>> Please test & report browser problems.
>>
>> -- Dirk
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Re: [site] main + sandbox site update
Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
I saw this and burst out laughing. How totally unexpected... ;-) Very
inventive!
Dirk Verbeeck wrote:
> The css only contains a max height for the header so the header will
> resize.
>
Yes, your right, but my main point was that the min height is going to
be constrained by the projects logo and resizing this logo will be very
ugly.
> But to support small screens I just added a small javascript to switch
> logo if window size < 850.
> Larger browser windows or browsers with javascript disabled get the
> wide version.
>
> Result can be seen/tested here:
> http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkv/commons/index.html
>
> And to make testing easier:
> http://cvs.apache.org/~dirkv/commons/size.html
>
> Please test & report browser problems.
>
> -- Dirk
>
> Mark R. Diggory wrote:
>
>> Please review the discussion we had previously on this...
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg38884.html
>>
>>
>> This is the reason we settled on the selected logo's, because it was
>> of less overall impact on the group and accomplished our goals of
>> maintaining the site fits within 600x800 as a standard.
>>
>> Just to point out, with your changes, the height of the header is not
>> going to adjust to be narrower because all the individual project
>> logos are at 80px height, having the jakarta logo narrower than 80px
>> in height is of little benefit, your going to have to press every
>> single project to generate new logos that are narrower in height so
>> that the whole header is narrower. The downfall of this is that these
>> logos are already hard-pressed for space to fit adequately within the
>> header without looking totally "crunched".
>>
>> If your using the /commons-build/commons-site.jsl. It has the height
>> of the header hardcoded in the css style to enforce that the same
>> height is maintained across the whole commons. It doesn't look like
>> your using it for the sandbox site. I'm not complaining, just
>> noticing that theres a difference, there are modifications in the
>> commons-build jsl that are absent form the sandbox copy.
>>
>> I'm not trying to be argumentative. We definitely need this kind of
>> experimentation and redesign efforts done to the overall site. I
>> think everyone agrees these efforts are very appreciated. I just want
>> us to be methodical and consensus driven in our approach.
>>
>> -Mark
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [site] main + sandbox site update
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> to support small screens I just added a small javascript to switch
> logo if window size < 850. Larger browser windows or browsers with
> javascript disabled get the wide version.
Works great. My normal browser window is < 850, and a maximized window is >
850, so I was easily able to verify both.
--- Noel
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