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Posted to users@subversion.apache.org by Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com> on 2006/06/08 10:40:28 UTC
Subversion for VSS users
Can anyone point me to a good tutorial explaining Subversion for VSS users?
I know about The Book, but I'd like to get something a little more "basic"
;) for the click-and-drool crowd. Especially something that explains the
checkout/modify/commit model to those familiar only with the
lock/modify/unlock model.
Also, are there any good guides for installing Subversion on a Windows
server, particularly within Apache? My installation is on Fedora Core 2,
but the group I'm consulting for is a MS house, and I've never tried to
install Apache on Windows. Their main web host is of course IIS. Is there a
way to get IIS to proxy HTTPS to Apache for selected directories, so that
the repository can be accessed from off-site?
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Re: Subversion for VSS users
Posted by Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com>.
--On Friday, June 09, 2006 10:22 AM -0400 Toby Johnson <to...@etjohnson.us>
wrote:
> In short, it's not just a TSVN manual, it's a complete
> using-Subversion-on-Windows manual. In fact, assuming that most of your
> users will use TSVN only and not the command-line client, I'd recommend
> blurring the distinction between TSVN and Subversion as much as possible.
> When you say "Subversion" to most Windows users, they think of the little
> icons in Explorer, not the client library or command line tools.
Excellent! I'd not even thought to look there. I've already installed TSVN
just to know what it looks like, but didn't think to look at its
documentation. (I'm mostly a command line guy.)
I guess now that I'll be supporting that, I need to go subscribe to their
mailing lists.... ;)
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Re: Subversion for VSS users
Posted by Toby Johnson <to...@etjohnson.us>.
Kenneth Porter wrote:
> Can anyone point me to a good tutorial explaining Subversion for VSS
> users? I know about The Book, but I'd like to get something a little
> more "basic" ;) for the click-and-drool crowd. Especially something
> that explains the checkout/modify/commit model to those familiar only
> with the lock/modify/unlock model.
>
> Also, are there any good guides for installing Subversion on a Windows
> server, particularly within Apache? My installation is on Fedora Core
> 2, but the group I'm consulting for is a MS house, and I've never
> tried to install Apache on Windows. Their main web host is of course
> IIS. Is there a way to get IIS to proxy HTTPS to Apache for selected
> directories, so that the repository can be accessed from off-site?
Have you looked at the TortoiseSVN manual?
<http://tortoisesvn.sourceforge.net/doc_release>
It doesn't assume that the reader has any prior knowledge of Subversion
at all. It has a good introduction to Subversion, including the
"Versioning Models" and other sections lifted directly from the
"official" SVN book. It also has good info on setting up either Apache
or svnserve on Windows.
In short, it's not just a TSVN manual, it's a complete
using-Subversion-on-Windows manual. In fact, assuming that most of your
users will use TSVN only and not the command-line client, I'd recommend
blurring the distinction between TSVN and Subversion as much as
possible. When you say "Subversion" to most Windows users, they think of
the little icons in Explorer, not the client library or command line tools.
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Re: Subversion for VSS users
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On 6/8/06, Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
> --On Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:38 PM +0200 Markus KARG
> <ma...@quipsy.de> wrote:
>
> > I also was a member of the point-and-click crowed using VSS 6, but the
> > SVN book made me a believer. ;-) Read the book. It's the best way to
> > learn SVN. Even for dummies like me. ;-)
>
> I agree. It's very well-written. But when getting people to convert to a
> new system they often look for an excuse to fail, and having to read much
> to "get off the ground" can be a barrier to acceptance. It's not that the
> material isn't in the book. It's that the packaging suggests that one needs
> to read the whole thing before one can start. So abstracting out enough to
> do basic operations, a "quick start guide" if you will, would be a useful
> thing. Even something like you'd find in a magazine review would be fine.
> Just something that let's the PHB's get their head around it without having
> to read the full treatment. (I refuse to stoop to asking for a PowerPoint,
> though! Blech!)
So give them the first 2 chapters of, say, William Nagel's /Subversion
Version Control/ (23 pages) or the first 2 of Mike Mason's /Pragmatic
Version Control Using Subversion/ (26 pages).
A side benefit of doing this is you're demonstrating that the software
has real, professionally-published paper documentation, which may help
give it some extra credibility in management's eyes.
Could the "official" book use a better PHB/executive summary chapter
to lead in? Looking purely at the TOC, probably.
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Re: Subversion for VSS users
Posted by Tetsuto Teddy Nishiyama <tn...@ari.ncl.omron.co.jp>.
I don't know if this will help but I was in a similar situation,
but the first thing I did after installing subversion was to
install a GUI client (in my case TortoiseSVN). That pretty much
got me "off the ground", but when I ran into something I couldn't
quite understand, that's when the book really helped.
So I guess you can either hit the book first or try to ease into
it by way of a GUI client like I did.
Teddy
Kenneth Porter wrote:
> --On Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:38 PM +0200 Markus KARG
> <ma...@quipsy.de> wrote:
>
>> I also was a member of the point-and-click crowed using VSS 6, but the
>> SVN book made me a believer. ;-) Read the book. It's the best way to
>> learn SVN. Even for dummies like me. ;-)
>
>
> I agree. It's very well-written. But when getting people to convert to a
> new system they often look for an excuse to fail, and having to read
> much to "get off the ground" can be a barrier to acceptance. It's not
> that the material isn't in the book. It's that the packaging suggests
> that one needs to read the whole thing before one can start. So
> abstracting out enough to do basic operations, a "quick start guide" if
> you will, would be a useful thing. Even something like you'd find in a
> magazine review would be fine. Just something that let's the PHB's get
> their head around it without having to read the full treatment. (I
> refuse to stoop to asking for a PowerPoint, though! Blech!)
>
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Re: Subversion for VSS users
Posted by Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com>.
--On Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:38 PM +0200 Markus KARG
<ma...@quipsy.de> wrote:
> I also was a member of the point-and-click crowed using VSS 6, but the
> SVN book made me a believer. ;-) Read the book. It's the best way to
> learn SVN. Even for dummies like me. ;-)
I agree. It's very well-written. But when getting people to convert to a
new system they often look for an excuse to fail, and having to read much
to "get off the ground" can be a barrier to acceptance. It's not that the
material isn't in the book. It's that the packaging suggests that one needs
to read the whole thing before one can start. So abstracting out enough to
do basic operations, a "quick start guide" if you will, would be a useful
thing. Even something like you'd find in a magazine review would be fine.
Just something that let's the PHB's get their head around it without having
to read the full treatment. (I refuse to stoop to asking for a PowerPoint,
though! Blech!)
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Re: Subversion for VSS users
Posted by Markus KARG <ma...@quipsy.de>.
Kenneth,
I also was a member of the point-and-click crowed using VSS 6, but the
SVN book made me a believer. ;-) Read the book. It's the best way to
learn SVN. Even for dummies like me. ;-)
Markus
Kenneth Porter schrieb:
> Can anyone point me to a good tutorial explaining Subversion for VSS
> users? I know about The Book, but I'd like to get something a little
> more "basic" ;) for the click-and-drool crowd. Especially something
> that explains the checkout/modify/commit model to those familiar only
> with the lock/modify/unlock model.
>
> Also, are there any good guides for installing Subversion on a Windows
> server, particularly within Apache? My installation is on Fedora Core
> 2, but the group I'm consulting for is a MS house, and I've never
> tried to install Apache on Windows. Their main web host is of course
> IIS. Is there a way to get IIS to proxy HTTPS to Apache for selected
> directories, so that the repository can be accessed from off-site?
>
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