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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com> on 2015/03/23 17:58:51 UTC
Re: [DISCUSS] Distributed TPC-H DataGenerator for flink-contrib
Robert,
Just curious if you did try to send email to tpc.org to ask about fair
usage of example data?
- Henry
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
> I tried twice writing them but I didn't receive an answer.
> But given that Apache Calcite is also using airlift/tpch in its
> dependencies as well, I would like to add the TPC-H data generator to
> "flink-contrib".
> I would also add a note that TPC is a registered trademark and that our
> generator is not the official generator and may not be used to generate
> test data for performance measurement publications.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I wrote them some time ago (like 12+ months) about the question whether we
>> can include TPCH sample data for our programs. They replied they were just
>> revising their license to allow that.
>>
>> Should be possible now. Good idea to ping them again to make sure that it
>> is approved now and that it holds for code as well...
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Okay, thank you. I'll write a mail to tpc.org and ask which rules we
>> have
>> > to respect.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 for reaching out to the TPC.
>> > >
>> > > It might also be that it is OK to add the code but not under the name
>> > > TPC-H.
>> > >
>> > > 2015-02-11 13:55 GMT+01:00 Ufuk Celebi <uc...@apache.org>:
>> > >
>> > > > Nice, this is a great tool. :)
>> > > >
>> > > > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:05, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > However, the website is not really helpful:
>> > > > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As one data point, the Apache Calcite (incubating) project also
>> > depends
>> > > > on
>> > > > > the mentioned airlift/tpch repository:
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/pom.xml#L57
>> > > > > and
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/adapter/tpch/TpchSchema.java#L33
>> > > > > .
>> > > > >
>> > > > > How about adding a line to the NOTICE files acknowledging that TPC
>> > is a
>> > > > > registered trademark of the transaction processing council?
>> > > >
>> > > > I find it reasonable to add it to the NOTICE files as an
>> > acknowledgement.
>> > > >
>> > > > The trademark website says "For additional details please contact
>> > > > admin@tpc.org." If we want to be on the safe side, we could write an
>> > > > email and confirm.
>> > > >
>> > > > Any further opinions on this?
>> > > >
>> > > > – Ufuk
>> > >
>> >
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Distributed TPC-H DataGenerator for flink-contrib
Posted by Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Mar 23, 2015 7:39 PM, "Robert Metzger" <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Great, thanks for taking some time looking at this!
>
> If nobody objects in the next 48 hours, I'll open a PR for the TPC-H data
> generator.
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I believe it should be ok since we do not actually package any
> > code bits from TPC-H.
> >
> > I think giving trademark nudge to TPC-H in our NOTICE file should be
> good.
> >
> > - Henry
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > I've send a message to admin-info@tpc.org and never got an answer. (on
> > > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/ they list admin@tpc.org as the right
> > > address, but sending a message to admin@ redirects to admin-info@.)
> > >
> > > My code doesn't contain any TPC data or code. Its a Java
> > re-implementation
> > > of the C data generator. The only thing it does is using the name
> "TPC".
> > It
> > > also tries to generate the same data as the official generator, but we
> > > don't claim that.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Robert,
> > >>
> > >> Just curious if you did try to send email to tpc.org to ask about
> fair
> > >> usage of example data?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> - Henry
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > I tried twice writing them but I didn't receive an answer.
> > >> > But given that Apache Calcite is also using airlift/tpch in its
> > >> > dependencies as well, I would like to add the TPC-H data generator
> to
> > >> > "flink-contrib".
> > >> > I would also add a note that TPC is a registered trademark and that
> > our
> > >> > generator is not the official generator and may not be used to
> > generate
> > >> > test data for performance measurement publications.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I wrote them some time ago (like 12+ months) about the question
> > whether
> > >> we
> > >> >> can include TPCH sample data for our programs. They replied they
> were
> > >> just
> > >> >> revising their license to allow that.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Should be possible now. Good idea to ping them again to make sure
> > that
> > >> it
> > >> >> is approved now and that it holds for code as well...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Robert Metzger <
> rmetzger@apache.org
> > >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Okay, thank you. I'll write a mail to tpc.org and ask which
> rules
> > we
> > >> >> have
> > >> >> > to respect.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Fabian Hueske <
> fhueske@gmail.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > +1 for reaching out to the TPC.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > It might also be that it is OK to add the code but not under
> the
> > >> name
> > >> >> > > TPC-H.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > 2015-02-11 13:55 GMT+01:00 Ufuk Celebi <uc...@apache.org>:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > Nice, this is a great tool. :)
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:05, Robert Metzger <
> rmetzger@apache.org>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > > However, the website is not really helpful:
> > >> >> > > > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > As one data point, the Apache Calcite (incubating) project
> > also
> > >> >> > depends
> > >> >> > > > on
> > >> >> > > > > the mentioned airlift/tpch repository:
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/pom.xml#L57
> > >> >> > > > > and
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/adapter/tpch/TpchSchema.java#L33
> > >> >> > > > > .
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > How about adding a line to the NOTICE files acknowledging
> > that
> > >> TPC
> > >> >> > is a
> > >> >> > > > > registered trademark of the transaction processing council?
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > I find it reasonable to add it to the NOTICE files as an
> > >> >> > acknowledgement.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > The trademark website says "For additional details please
> > contact
> > >> >> > > > admin@tpc.org." If we want to be on the safe side, we could
> > >> write an
> > >> >> > > > email and confirm.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Any further opinions on this?
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > – Ufuk
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Distributed TPC-H DataGenerator for flink-contrib
Posted by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>.
Great, thanks for taking some time looking at this!
If nobody objects in the next 48 hours, I'll open a PR for the TPC-H data
generator.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Yeah, I believe it should be ok since we do not actually package any
> code bits from TPC-H.
>
> I think giving trademark nudge to TPC-H in our NOTICE file should be good.
>
> - Henry
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > I've send a message to admin-info@tpc.org and never got an answer. (on
> > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/ they list admin@tpc.org as the right
> > address, but sending a message to admin@ redirects to admin-info@.)
> >
> > My code doesn't contain any TPC data or code. Its a Java
> re-implementation
> > of the C data generator. The only thing it does is using the name "TPC".
> It
> > also tries to generate the same data as the official generator, but we
> > don't claim that.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Robert,
> >>
> >> Just curious if you did try to send email to tpc.org to ask about fair
> >> usage of example data?
> >>
> >>
> >> - Henry
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I tried twice writing them but I didn't receive an answer.
> >> > But given that Apache Calcite is also using airlift/tpch in its
> >> > dependencies as well, I would like to add the TPC-H data generator to
> >> > "flink-contrib".
> >> > I would also add a note that TPC is a registered trademark and that
> our
> >> > generator is not the official generator and may not be used to
> generate
> >> > test data for performance measurement publications.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I wrote them some time ago (like 12+ months) about the question
> whether
> >> we
> >> >> can include TPCH sample data for our programs. They replied they were
> >> just
> >> >> revising their license to allow that.
> >> >>
> >> >> Should be possible now. Good idea to ping them again to make sure
> that
> >> it
> >> >> is approved now and that it holds for code as well...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Okay, thank you. I'll write a mail to tpc.org and ask which rules
> we
> >> >> have
> >> >> > to respect.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > +1 for reaching out to the TPC.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It might also be that it is OK to add the code but not under the
> >> name
> >> >> > > TPC-H.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 2015-02-11 13:55 GMT+01:00 Ufuk Celebi <uc...@apache.org>:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Nice, this is a great tool. :)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:05, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > However, the website is not really helpful:
> >> >> > > > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > As one data point, the Apache Calcite (incubating) project
> also
> >> >> > depends
> >> >> > > > on
> >> >> > > > > the mentioned airlift/tpch repository:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/pom.xml#L57
> >> >> > > > > and
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/adapter/tpch/TpchSchema.java#L33
> >> >> > > > > .
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > How about adding a line to the NOTICE files acknowledging
> that
> >> TPC
> >> >> > is a
> >> >> > > > > registered trademark of the transaction processing council?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I find it reasonable to add it to the NOTICE files as an
> >> >> > acknowledgement.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The trademark website says "For additional details please
> contact
> >> >> > > > admin@tpc.org." If we want to be on the safe side, we could
> >> write an
> >> >> > > > email and confirm.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Any further opinions on this?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > – Ufuk
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Distributed TPC-H DataGenerator for flink-contrib
Posted by Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, I believe it should be ok since we do not actually package any
code bits from TPC-H.
I think giving trademark nudge to TPC-H in our NOTICE file should be good.
- Henry
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've send a message to admin-info@tpc.org and never got an answer. (on
> http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/ they list admin@tpc.org as the right
> address, but sending a message to admin@ redirects to admin-info@.)
>
> My code doesn't contain any TPC data or code. Its a Java re-implementation
> of the C data generator. The only thing it does is using the name "TPC". It
> also tries to generate the same data as the official generator, but we
> don't claim that.
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Just curious if you did try to send email to tpc.org to ask about fair
>> usage of example data?
>>
>>
>> - Henry
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > I tried twice writing them but I didn't receive an answer.
>> > But given that Apache Calcite is also using airlift/tpch in its
>> > dependencies as well, I would like to add the TPC-H data generator to
>> > "flink-contrib".
>> > I would also add a note that TPC is a registered trademark and that our
>> > generator is not the official generator and may not be used to generate
>> > test data for performance measurement publications.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I wrote them some time ago (like 12+ months) about the question whether
>> we
>> >> can include TPCH sample data for our programs. They replied they were
>> just
>> >> revising their license to allow that.
>> >>
>> >> Should be possible now. Good idea to ping them again to make sure that
>> it
>> >> is approved now and that it holds for code as well...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Okay, thank you. I'll write a mail to tpc.org and ask which rules we
>> >> have
>> >> > to respect.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > +1 for reaching out to the TPC.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It might also be that it is OK to add the code but not under the
>> name
>> >> > > TPC-H.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2015-02-11 13:55 GMT+01:00 Ufuk Celebi <uc...@apache.org>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Nice, this is a great tool. :)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:05, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > However, the website is not really helpful:
>> >> > > > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > As one data point, the Apache Calcite (incubating) project also
>> >> > depends
>> >> > > > on
>> >> > > > > the mentioned airlift/tpch repository:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/pom.xml#L57
>> >> > > > > and
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/adapter/tpch/TpchSchema.java#L33
>> >> > > > > .
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > How about adding a line to the NOTICE files acknowledging that
>> TPC
>> >> > is a
>> >> > > > > registered trademark of the transaction processing council?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I find it reasonable to add it to the NOTICE files as an
>> >> > acknowledgement.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The trademark website says "For additional details please contact
>> >> > > > admin@tpc.org." If we want to be on the safe side, we could
>> write an
>> >> > > > email and confirm.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Any further opinions on this?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > – Ufuk
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Distributed TPC-H DataGenerator for flink-contrib
Posted by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>.
I've send a message to admin-info@tpc.org and never got an answer. (on
http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/ they list admin@tpc.org as the right
address, but sending a message to admin@ redirects to admin-info@.)
My code doesn't contain any TPC data or code. Its a Java re-implementation
of the C data generator. The only thing it does is using the name "TPC". It
also tries to generate the same data as the official generator, but we
don't claim that.
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Henry Saputra <he...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Just curious if you did try to send email to tpc.org to ask about fair
> usage of example data?
>
>
> - Henry
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > I tried twice writing them but I didn't receive an answer.
> > But given that Apache Calcite is also using airlift/tpch in its
> > dependencies as well, I would like to add the TPC-H data generator to
> > "flink-contrib".
> > I would also add a note that TPC is a registered trademark and that our
> > generator is not the official generator and may not be used to generate
> > test data for performance measurement publications.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I wrote them some time ago (like 12+ months) about the question whether
> we
> >> can include TPCH sample data for our programs. They replied they were
> just
> >> revising their license to allow that.
> >>
> >> Should be possible now. Good idea to ping them again to make sure that
> it
> >> is approved now and that it holds for code as well...
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Okay, thank you. I'll write a mail to tpc.org and ask which rules we
> >> have
> >> > to respect.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Fabian Hueske <fh...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > +1 for reaching out to the TPC.
> >> > >
> >> > > It might also be that it is OK to add the code but not under the
> name
> >> > > TPC-H.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2015-02-11 13:55 GMT+01:00 Ufuk Celebi <uc...@apache.org>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Nice, this is a great tool. :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 09 Feb 2015, at 17:05, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > However, the website is not really helpful:
> >> > > > http://www.tpc.org/trademarks/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > As one data point, the Apache Calcite (incubating) project also
> >> > depends
> >> > > > on
> >> > > > > the mentioned airlift/tpch repository:
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/pom.xml#L57
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-calcite/blob/master/plus/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/adapter/tpch/TpchSchema.java#L33
> >> > > > > .
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > How about adding a line to the NOTICE files acknowledging that
> TPC
> >> > is a
> >> > > > > registered trademark of the transaction processing council?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I find it reasonable to add it to the NOTICE files as an
> >> > acknowledgement.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The trademark website says "For additional details please contact
> >> > > > admin@tpc.org." If we want to be on the safe side, we could
> write an
> >> > > > email and confirm.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Any further opinions on this?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > – Ufuk
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>