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Apachecon in budapest ?
I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
Anyone else interested ?
Kristian
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
Ok, I'll setup a hangout for http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
and we'll see how that works.
Concretely let's try and talk about the POM 5.0 model, and I might try and do a little demo of the Maven dev tooling in Eclipse. In the hangout we can figure out what we want to talk about next, or maybe we just continue with POM 5.0 until it's sorted. If anyone wants to put some thoughts together we can probably figure out how to hand over control to various presenters. We'll figure it out as we go, it will be completely informal.
On Jun 13, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr> wrote:
> ok for me
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 19:01:39 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
>> All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday?
>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&
>> day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
>>
>> It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that
>> out as a starting point.
>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com> wrote:
>>> A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing
>>> that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already.
>>> Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-)
>>>
>>> manfred
>>>
>>> Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32:
>>>> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in
>>>> very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First
>>>> it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world
>>>> for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe.
>>>> Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always
>>>> dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed
>>>> fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug
>>>> fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change.
>>>>
>>>> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more
>>>> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a
>>>> Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing
>>>> changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require
>>>> traveling around the world to accomplish.
>>>>
>>>> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the
>>>> core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we
>>>> need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had
>>>> recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but
>>>> I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for
>>>> people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming
>>>> like conferences.
>>>>
>>>> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat
>>>> about
>>>> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big
>>>> meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero
>>>> based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with
>>>> people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like
>>>> this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography,
>>>> time/money is not a great thing.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold
>>>> <kr...@gmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>>>>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>>>>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>>>>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>>>>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>>>>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>>>>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>>>>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>>>>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>>>>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else interested ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kristian
>>>>>
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>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
>>>> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
>>>> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
>>>> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
>>>>
>>>> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> A party which is not afraid of letting culture,
>> business, and welfare go to ruin completely can
>> be omnipotent for a while.
>>
>> -- Jakob Burckhardt
>
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Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
http://twitter.com/takari_io
---------------------------------------------------------
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
ok for me
Regards,
Hervé
Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 19:01:39 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
> All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday?
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&
> day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
>
> It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that
> out as a starting point.
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com> wrote:
> > A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing
> > that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already.
> > Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-)
> >
> > manfred
> >
> > Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32:
> >> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in
> >> very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First
> >> it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world
> >> for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe.
> >> Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always
> >> dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed
> >> fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug
> >> fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change.
> >>
> >> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more
> >> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a
> >> Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing
> >> changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require
> >> traveling around the world to accomplish.
> >>
> >> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the
> >> core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we
> >> need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had
> >> recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but
> >> I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for
> >> people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming
> >> like conferences.
> >>
> >> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat
> >> about
> >> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big
> >> meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero
> >> based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with
> >> people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like
> >> this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography,
> >> time/money is not a great thing.
> >>
> >> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold
> >> <kr...@gmail.com>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> >>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
> >>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> >>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> >>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
> >>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> >>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> >>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> >>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> >>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
> >>>
> >>> Anyone else interested ?
> >>>
> >>> Kristian
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Jason van Zyl
> >> Founder, Apache Maven
> >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
> >> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
> >> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
> >> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
> >>
> >> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> A party which is not afraid of letting culture,
> business, and welfare go to ruin completely can
> be omnipotent for a while.
>
> -- Jakob Burckhardt
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com>.
I am in. We should create a google event/hangout on air and spread the word.
manfred
Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 16:01:
> All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday?
>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
>
> It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out
> as a starting point.
>
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com> wrote:
>
>> A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that
>> for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick
>> that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-)
>>
>> manfred
>>
>> Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32:
>>
>>> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very
>>> little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not
>>> a
>>> trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and
>>> miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these
>>> big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty
>>> fast.
>>> This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is
>>> working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything
>>> bigger
>>> is going to change.
>>>
>>> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more
>>> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a
>>> Google
>>> hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I
>>> think
>>> would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the
>>> world
>>> to accomplish.
>>>
>>> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core
>>> and
>>> right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have
>>> grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant
>>> contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to
>>> capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts,
>>> and
>>> not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences.
>>>
>>> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about
>>> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting
>>> at
>>> a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my
>>> personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if
>>> you
>>> can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are
>>> immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing.
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold
>>> <kr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>>>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>>>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>>>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>>>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>>>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>>>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>>>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>>>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>>>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else interested ?
>>>>
>>>> Kristian
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jason van Zyl
>>> Founder, Apache Maven
>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
>>> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
>>> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
>>> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
>>>
>>> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> A party which is not afraid of letting culture,
> business, and welfare go to ruin completely can
> be omnipotent for a while.
>
> -- Jakob Burckhardt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
All right, then shall we try to kick it off next Wednesday?
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2014&month=6&day=25&hour=15&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=250&p3=136&p4=166
It's always hard given that we're all around the world, but I'll throw that out as a starting point.
On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com> wrote:
> A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-)
>
> manfred
>
> Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32:
>
>> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very
>> little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a
>> trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and
>> miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these
>> big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast.
>> This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is
>> working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger
>> is going to change.
>>
>> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more
>> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google
>> hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think
>> would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world
>> to accomplish.
>>
>> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and
>> right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have
>> grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant
>> contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to
>> capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and
>> not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences.
>>
>> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about
>> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at
>> a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my
>> personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you
>> can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are
>> immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing.
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <kr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>>>
>>> Anyone else interested ?
>>>
>>> Kristian
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
>> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
>> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
>> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
>>
>> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
http://twitter.com/takari_io
---------------------------------------------------------
A party which is not afraid of letting culture,
business, and welfare go to ruin completely can
be omnipotent for a while.
-- Jakob Burckhardt
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Manfred Moser <ma...@mosabuam.com>.
A regular Maven hangout would be great. I have been contemplating doing that for the android maven plugin community alone for a while already. Maybe I kick that off with the upcoming release of 4.0.0 ;-)
manfred
Jason van Zyl wrote on 11.06.2014 06:32:
> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very
> little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a
> trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and
> miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these
> big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast.
> This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is
> working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger
> is going to change.
>
> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more
> productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google
> hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think
> would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world
> to accomplish.
>
> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and
> right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have
> grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant
> contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to
> capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and
> not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences.
>
> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about
> Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at
> a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my
> personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you
> can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are
> immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing.
>
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <kr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>>
>> Anyone else interested ?
>>
>> Kristian
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
>
> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Arnaud Héritier <ah...@gmail.com>.
+1 for hangouts.
Jenkins tries to have a weekly project meeting (on IRC) and I think it is a
good opportunity to discuss, involve contributors and follow the progress
of the project (not only the code itself).
Just don't forget one thing : Everyone doesn't speak english fluently and
with the quality of hangout (or any other video/voice service) it cannot be
always easy to attend such meeting.
The most important parts are I think :
* to schedule a recurring event to allow people to organize themselves to
attend to it (even if it's not every week)
* to have a light report/followup to be able to know what happened for all
people who didn't join (that's why ML were preferred : async + history)
Cheers
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Igor Fedorenko <ig...@ifedorenko.com> wrote:
> +1 for hangouts. As much as I'd love to see the city and finally have a
> drink with Tamas, I almost certainly won't be able to come to Budapest.
> I am not sure I will be able to attend weekly hangouts (or bi-weekly or
> any scheduled, really) but if somebody works on a specific feature I am
> interested in, I will try to make time. This means agenda of the meeting
> has to be provided upfront and ideally there should be specific proposal
> to seed the discussion.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Igor
>
>
> On 2014-06-11, 9:32, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted
>> in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven.
>> First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across
>> the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you
>> live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world
>> events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism,
>> this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on
>> basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger
>> is going to change.
>>
>> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude
>> more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today
>> with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and
>> discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and
>> doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish.
>>
>> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the
>> core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think
>> we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had
>> recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why
>> but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are
>> easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and
>> time consuming like conferences.
>>
>> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat
>> about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something.
>> A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close
>> to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to
>> meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a
>> project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of
>> geography, time/money is not a great thing. >
>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <
>> kristian.rosenvold@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>>>
>>> Anyone else interested ?
>>>
>>> Kristian
>>>
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>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
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>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
>> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
>> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
>> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
>>
>> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Igor Fedorenko <ig...@ifedorenko.com>.
+1 for hangouts. As much as I'd love to see the city and finally have a
drink with Tamas, I almost certainly won't be able to come to Budapest.
I am not sure I will be able to attend weekly hangouts (or bi-weekly or
any scheduled, really) but if somebody works on a specific feature I am
interested in, I will try to make time. This means agenda of the meeting
has to be provided upfront and ideally there should be specific proposal
to seed the discussion.
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On 2014-06-11, 9:32, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted
> in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven.
> First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across
> the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you
> live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world
> events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism,
> this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on
> basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger
> is going to change.
>
> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude
> more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today
> with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and
> discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and
> doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish.
>
> I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the
> core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think
> we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had
> recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why
> but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are
> easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and
> time consuming like conferences.
>
> Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat
> about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something.
> A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close
> to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to
> meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a
> project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of
> geography, time/money is not a great thing. >
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>>
>> Anyone else interested ?
>>
>> Kristian
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
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> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
> so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
> the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
> as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
>
> -- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Kristian Rosenvold <kr...@gmail.com>.
2014-06-11 15:32 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>:
> Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several >days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance > and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change.
As far as I know no-one is vacuuming the market for employing maven
devs these days, so the chances for getting such a job by attending
apachecon is probably close to zero.
I'm not suggesting we change the world, I just think it would be a
nice thing to do. Neither am I suggesting a "project" as such but if
such a thing was to happen I would definitely want some kind of
predefined agenda and maybe even some prepared materials - not just
beer drinking.
I am not impressed by the lack of evolution in maven, which also
basically includes every side project I've seen up to date - including
efforts outside apache.
> However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish.
There is no either/or. You can have your hangouts, I'll still see if
there's interest in meeting up at apachecon. The cost is significant,
and I am also unsure about the overall schedule/value of a whole
week's worth of conferencing. But I'll leave that consideration until
the agenda starts showing up.
Kristian
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
Generally in the last 13 years these types of meetings have resulted in very little other than people who are being paid to work on Maven. First it's not a trivial amount of money for many to travel across the world for a meeting and miss several days of work, even if you live in Europe. Second, having these big-bang, lets-change-the-world events have always dissipated out pretty fast. This is not cynicism, this is just observed fact over the years. If no one is working on basic maintenance and bug fixing then I highly doubt anything bigger is going to change.
However, I do think that talking with others is orders of magnitude more productive than mailing lists, but we can start doing this today with a Google hangout. Having face-to-face meetings more often and discussing changes I think would be a positive step forward and doesn't require traveling around the world to accomplish.
I am highly encouraged of late by the pull requests coming in for the core and right now that's the biggest avenue of change. I don't think we need to have grand, in person meetings to affect change. We've had recent significant contributions in m2e lately and I'm not sure why but I think we have to capitalize on that and do things that are easier for people like hangouts, and not things that are costly and time consuming like conferences.
Personally I would love it if we had a weekly Google hangout to chat about Maven. I think that would have a chance of changing something. A big meeting at a conference having any real impact I think is close to zero based on my personal experience. Not that it isn't nice to meet with people and talk if you can, but trying to do planning for a project like this where many are immediately excluded by virtue of geography, time/money is not a great thing.
On Jun 11, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <kr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>
> Anyone else interested ?
>
> Kristian
>
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Jason
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Founder, Apache Maven
http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
http://twitter.com/takari_io
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First, the taking in of scattered particulars under one Idea,
so that everyone understands what is being talked about ... Second,
the separation of the Idea into parts, by dividing it at the joints,
as nature directs, not breaking any limb in half as a bad carver might.
-- Plato, Phaedrus (Notes on the Synthesis of Form by C. Alexander)
Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Simon Wang <wa...@gmail.com>.
I can't attend it, but +1. ^_^
Things are changing faster. Maven need to change also.
It's better to have a considerate roadmap for maven:
I tried about one month on gradle, lots of interesting ideas that maven
could reference:
1. stable incremental build
2. project dependency support
3. elegant and intensive profile(performance or others insight information
of maven session) report
4. flexible dependency resolution strategies. (dependency resolution
strategy should be plug-able instead hard-coded)
5. think about parallel & distributed
Regards
Simon
2014-06-11 17:08 GMT+08:00 Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net>:
> +1
>
> thanks,
> ~t~ (mobile)
> On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold" <
> kristian.rosenvold@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> > really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
> > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> > of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> > picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
> > and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> > a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> > incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> > stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> > enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
> >
> > Anyone else interested ?
> >
> > Kristian
> >
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> >
> >
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AW: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi,
I have to admit I enjoy the meetups with other Apache guys most. Especially the talks you have in the Hotel lobby after the sessions have ended or on one of the numerous after-conference events (Usually a booth crawl and some sponsored evening events will take place).
When attending to the normal conference program you usually get what you expect, as you select the talks according to your interests. But it's the evening events you get to know other Apache guys and end up with tons of new ideas and projects you never heard of and want to start investing your time in.
Usually after the third conference day are workshos and a brainstorming get-together-unconference-thingy where you discuss all sorts of Apache related things with other Apache guys that I wouldn't want to miss. The ApacheCon US 2014 was the first time I visited the Un-Conference and it was absoluteley worth the time.
My recommendation is to take the offer to stay in the conference hotel and to stay at least for the fourth day at the ApacheCon.
Chris
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Betreff: Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
it's my first ApacheCon too, so I don't have any experience either
Any feedback from other appreciated
Regards,
Hervé
Le mardi 29 juillet 2014 09:06:40 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit :
> Looking at the schedule
> (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/sch
> edule) I realized this conference is basically monday-wednesday, which
> is good because I find a full week of conference attendance too much.
> I have some other engagements on the specific monday which I need to
> reschedule, which can't be done until mid-august. So negociations are
> forthcoming :)
>
> Does anyone know if there are any specific scheduling constraints that
> are customary at apachecon ? (Like "don't miss the party on wednesday
> night"...). I figured I'd arrive "early" on sunday to do some tourism
> - (i hear there's a lot of nice pubs in budapest.....)
>
> Kristian
>
> 2014-07-24 23:09 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>:
> > good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be
> > there!*
> >
> > Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with
> > the whole Maven devs community
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hervé
> >
> > Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> >> I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study
> >> more precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it)
> >>
> >> face to face can help
> >>
> >> more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be
> >> ideal
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Hervé
> >>
> >> Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit :
> >> > +1
> >> >
> >> > thanks,
> >> > ~t~ (mobile)
> >> > On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold"
> >> > <kr...@gmail.com>>
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I
> >> > > would be really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven"
> >> > > (for
> >> > > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be
> >> > > capable of using such an occasion to determine a little more
> >> > > about the "big picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0"
> >> > > release
> >> > > and/or work through the reality of revised pom
> >> > > versions/formats. Like a lot of us I seem to be having trouble
> >> > > finding time for more than incremental (minor) improvements. It
> >> > > also seems like a lot of the stuff on the current "4.0" list is
> >> > > quite minor stuff and I'd really enjoy an occasion to
> >> > > investigate big changes :)
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone else interested ?
> >> > >
> >> > > Kristian
> >> > >
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
it's my first ApacheCon too, so I don't have any experience either
Any feedback from other appreciated
Regards,
Hervé
Le mardi 29 juillet 2014 09:06:40 Kristian Rosenvold a écrit :
> Looking at the schedule
> (http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule)
> I realized this conference is basically monday-wednesday, which is good
> because I find a full week of conference attendance too much. I have some
> other engagements on the specific monday which I need to reschedule, which
> can't be done until mid-august. So negociations are forthcoming :)
>
> Does anyone know if there are any specific scheduling constraints that
> are customary at apachecon ? (Like "don't miss the party on wednesday
> night"...). I figured I'd arrive "early" on sunday to do some tourism
> - (i hear there's a lot of nice pubs in budapest.....)
>
> Kristian
>
> 2014-07-24 23:09 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>:
> > good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!*
> >
> > Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the
> > whole Maven devs community
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Hervé
> >
> > Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> >> I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more
> >> precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it)
> >>
> >> face to face can help
> >>
> >> more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Hervé
> >>
> >> Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit :
> >> > +1
> >> >
> >> > thanks,
> >> > ~t~ (mobile)
> >> > On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold"
> >> > <kr...@gmail.com>>
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> >> > > really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven"
> >> > > (for
> >> > > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> >> > > of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> >> > > picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0"
> >> > > release
> >> > > and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> >> > > a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> >> > > incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> >> > > stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> >> > > enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone else interested ?
> >> > >
> >> > > Kristian
> >> > >
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Kristian Rosenvold <kr...@gmail.com>.
Looking at the schedule
(http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/program/schedule)
I realized this conference is basically monday-wednesday, which is
good because I find a full week of conference attendance too much. I
have some other engagements on the specific monday which I need to
reschedule, which can't be done until mid-august. So negociations are
forthcoming :)
Does anyone know if there are any specific scheduling constraints that
are customary at apachecon ? (Like "don't miss the party on wednesday
night"...). I figured I'd arrive "early" on sunday to do some tourism
- (i hear there's a lot of nice pubs in budapest.....)
Kristian
2014-07-24 23:09 GMT+02:00 Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>:
> good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!*
>
> Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the whole
> Maven devs community
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
>> I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more
>> precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it)
>>
>> face to face can help
>>
>> more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Hervé
>>
>> Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit :
>> > +1
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > ~t~ (mobile)
>> > On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold"
>> > <kr...@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
>> > > really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
>> > > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
>> > > of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
>> > > picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
>> > > and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
>> > > a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
>> > > incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
>> > > stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
>> > > enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>> > >
>> > > Anyone else interested ?
>> > >
>> > > Kristian
>> > >
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
good news: after some negociations, I now can say that *I'll be there!*
Let's plan some meeting and hope we can get something shareable with the whole
Maven devs community
Regards,
Hervé
Le jeudi 12 juin 2014 07:38:18 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
> I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more
> precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it)
>
> face to face can help
>
> more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Hervé
>
> Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit :
> > +1
> >
> > thanks,
> > ~t~ (mobile)
> > On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold"
> > <kr...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> > > really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
> > > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> > > of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> > > picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
> > > and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> > > a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> > > incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> > > stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> > > enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
> > >
> > > Anyone else interested ?
> > >
> > > Kristian
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Hervé BOUTEMY <he...@free.fr>.
I'd like to try to attend too: not sure I'll be able, need to study more
precisely the cost (which will be high, I already know it)
face to face can help
more frequent hangouts are a good idea too: combining both would be ideal :)
Regards,
Hervé
Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 11:08:47 Tamás Cservenák a écrit :
> +1
>
> thanks,
> ~t~ (mobile)
> On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold" <kr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> > really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
> > one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> > of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> > picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
> > and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> > a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> > incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> > stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> > enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
> >
> > Anyone else interested ?
> >
> > Kristian
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Re: Apachecon in budapest ?
Posted by Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net>.
+1
thanks,
~t~ (mobile)
On Jun 11, 2014 7:54 AM, "Kristian Rosenvold" <kr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I've been considering attending apachecon in Budapest, and I would be
> really interested in creating a meet up to discuss "future maven" (for
> one or more days). It would be interesting to see if we'd be capable
> of using such an occasion to determine a little more about the "big
> picture" future of maven, possibly even discuss a proper "4.0" release
> and/or work through the reality of revised pom versions/formats. Like
> a lot of us I seem to be having trouble finding time for more than
> incremental (minor) improvements. It also seems like a lot of the
> stuff on the current "4.0" list is quite minor stuff and I'd really
> enjoy an occasion to investigate big changes :)
>
> Anyone else interested ?
>
> Kristian
>
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