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[jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial
committers
Submission of CCLAs for initial committers
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Key: INCUBATOR-97
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97
Project: Incubator
Issue Type: Sub-task
Reporter: Niclas Hedhman
The company that a committer work for must acknowledge that the employee(s) in question are allowed to work on Apache projects.
In this case, that is Cisco, and we have no CCLA at all on file from Cisco.
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Re: [jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial
committers
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>
> Ooooook.... So, what you are saying is that we now asking the
> committers to become legally affluent?
No, only to become aware of the fact that what they do is owned by
their employer, or that it is not.
In most cases in CA US for example, what you do on "your time" in
the evening is yours, at least if it is not related to your work
projects and doesn't borrow any code from the office. In other
cases, it is not.
And they are signing a document, I almost used the word fraud to
describe signing this when, in fact, they are not authorized to
commit under the AL to the ASF repositories due to their employers
ownership of the code and lack of authorization. That is what it is.
> My point; What happens to average committer candidate when the
> employer says "No, you don't need us to sign this..."?
My point; this has been asked and answered many times on board@,
legal@ and other lists. Until they issue a different opinion,
the foundation-wide policy is to accept CCLA's for clarification
on the individual's behalf.
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Re: [jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial committers
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:38 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr.
<wr...@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> The company that a committer work for must acknowledge that the employee(s) in question are allowed to work on Apache projects.
>>
>> In this case, that is Cisco, and we have no CCLA at all on file from Cisco.
>
> This is incorrect (unless you are speaking of you).
>
> CCLA's are a convenience for the benefit of ICLA signatories. It is not the
> incubator's responsibility to validate that ICLA signers are legally able to
> do so. Depending on their contractual relationship to their employer/contractor
> they may need this or they may not.
>
> Point ICLA signers at this document to reinforce the fact that they -might- not
> be able to sign the ICLA without it.
Ooooook.... So, what you are saying is that we now asking the
committers to become legally affluent?
My point; What happens to average committer candidate when the
employer says "No, you don't need us to sign this..."?
Cheers
Niclas
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Re: [jira] Created: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial
committers
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
> The company that a committer work for must acknowledge that the employee(s) in question are allowed to work on Apache projects.
>
> In this case, that is Cisco, and we have no CCLA at all on file from Cisco.
This is incorrect (unless you are speaking of you).
CCLA's are a convenience for the benefit of ICLA signatories. It is not the
incubator's responsibility to validate that ICLA signers are legally able to
do so. Depending on their contractual relationship to their employer/contractor
they may need this or they may not.
Point ICLA signers at this document to reinforce the fact that they -might- not
be able to sign the ICLA without it.
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[jira] Resolved: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial
committers
Posted by "Niclas Hedhman (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Niclas Hedhman resolved INCUBATOR-97.
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Resolution: Fixed
Since all ICLAs are on file, I am closing this issue. I still recommend that the Etch committers try to obtain the CCLA from Cisco, for their own sake.
> Submission of CCLAs for initial committers
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>
> Key: INCUBATOR-97
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97
> Project: Incubator
> Issue Type: Sub-task
> Reporter: Niclas Hedhman
>
> The company that a committer work for must acknowledge that the employee(s) in question are allowed to work on Apache projects.
> In this case, that is Cisco, and we have no CCLA at all on file from Cisco.
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[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial
committers
Posted by "Niclas Hedhman (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12642091#action_12642091 ]
Niclas Hedhman commented on INCUBATOR-97:
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I have been corrected by William Rowe (one of the stronger legally affluent in ASF) that the CCLA is not a requirement for the ASF. It is a paper that might be required for the individual to be able to sign the ICLA. It is the responsibility of the individual committer to understand if the CCLA of its employer is needed or not. In doubt, try to get it. It is for the protection of you, the committer, in case the employer later says; "Doh, that is our IP. You had no right to contribute that."
> Submission of CCLAs for initial committers
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-97
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97
> Project: Incubator
> Issue Type: Sub-task
> Reporter: Niclas Hedhman
>
> The company that a committer work for must acknowledge that the employee(s) in question are allowed to work on Apache projects.
> In this case, that is Cisco, and we have no CCLA at all on file from Cisco.
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[jira] Closed: (INCUBATOR-97) Submission of CCLAs for initial
committers
Posted by "Niclas Hedhman (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Niclas Hedhman closed INCUBATOR-97.
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> Submission of CCLAs for initial committers
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Key: INCUBATOR-97
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-97
> Project: Incubator
> Issue Type: Sub-task
> Reporter: Niclas Hedhman
>
> The company that a committer work for must acknowledge that the employee(s) in question are allowed to work on Apache projects.
> In this case, that is Cisco, and we have no CCLA at all on file from Cisco.
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