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[DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Hi -
In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted on a few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
There are one or two propositions to discuss.
(1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection to Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
Please provide arguments in any direction.
(2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses of these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should vote.
A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion about keeping FlexJS.
This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
Regards,
Dave
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Erik de Bruin <er...@ixsoftware.nl>.
For an Apache project, I think FlexJS would be the best name.
EdB
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
> I would stick with the name "FlexJS" for now.
> I do not think that people associate negative vibes with it.
> So many other JS frameworks are born every day, I think a new name may
> confuse people.
>
> But I agree that in future it could make sense to rename it, especially if
> there will be other targets than JS one day... who knows...
>
> Thanks,
> Olaf
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>.
I would stick with the name "FlexJS" for now.
I do not think that people associate negative vibes with it.
So many other JS frameworks are born every day, I think a new name may
confuse people.
But I agree that in future it could make sense to rename it, especially if
there will be other targets than JS one day... who knows...
Thanks,
Olaf
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
I got several questions like Harbs mention and people instantly know what
is going on when I said them that is the new framework right after Flex.
Piotr
2017-09-13 10:53 GMT+02:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
> To me the question is how will people react if you tell them you’re doing
> it in FlexJS vs. FooJS. I think in either case you will get a response of
> “what’s that”.
>
> What’s going to get a better explanation? “I’m doing it in a relatively
> unknown framework but one I like.” Or “I’m doing it in a new framework
> built from the ground up optimized for Javascript built on the concepts
> which made Flex successful in its time.”
>
> To me, the latter response sounds more compelling.
>
> Hopefully FlexJS will get enough traction that it will become known for
> its own strengths and this point will become moot.
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > 2017-09-12 21:12 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you have examples of Apache Flex or FlexJS getting bad press? It
> would
> >> make your argument more persuasive.
> >>
> >>
> > There's nothing published. I'm talking about customer meetings where you
> > expose that you can use "Flex" and your potential customer looks to you
> > with poker face since "Flex" is now considered an old technology from
> 2008.
> > The fact is almost all Flex developers had to switch to HTML and there's
> > almost no projects in Flex done today.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> In the other hand, we should look at our competitors : Angular, React,
> >> Vue,
> >>> Dart,... it's all marketing: the name, the website, if we don't play
> well
> >>> our cards, don't expect to have a widely used technology
> >>
> >> You mean like Beads, Bend or Strands?
> >>
> >
> > Yes, I proposed in other thread ROYALE or CROWN as good candidates for
> its
> > various implications in the strand/beads concept (crown with jewels as an
> > icon) and for the old relationship with the first flex codename at
> > macromedia (that was in fact Royale)
> >
> > I'll be more happy to go with a name, icon, website done that would
> express
> > our ideas in a modern, clean and beautiful way.
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> In the other hand I can live with old "FlexJS" name, if people does not
> >>> want a change, but these means to me that FlexJS will hardly get
> >> considered
> >>> in the mainstream.
> >>>
> >>> Just my 2
> >>
> >> More than that ;-)
> >>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
To me the question is how will people react if you tell them you’re doing it in FlexJS vs. FooJS. I think in either case you will get a response of “what’s that”.
What’s going to get a better explanation? “I’m doing it in a relatively unknown framework but one I like.” Or “I’m doing it in a new framework built from the ground up optimized for Javascript built on the concepts which made Flex successful in its time.”
To me, the latter response sounds more compelling.
Hopefully FlexJS will get enough traction that it will become known for its own strengths and this point will become moot.
Harbs
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> 2017-09-12 21:12 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>
>>
>>
>> Do you have examples of Apache Flex or FlexJS getting bad press? It would
>> make your argument more persuasive.
>>
>>
> There's nothing published. I'm talking about customer meetings where you
> expose that you can use "Flex" and your potential customer looks to you
> with poker face since "Flex" is now considered an old technology from 2008.
> The fact is almost all Flex developers had to switch to HTML and there's
> almost no projects in Flex done today.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> In the other hand, we should look at our competitors : Angular, React,
>> Vue,
>>> Dart,... it's all marketing: the name, the website, if we don't play well
>>> our cards, don't expect to have a widely used technology
>>
>> You mean like Beads, Bend or Strands?
>>
>
> Yes, I proposed in other thread ROYALE or CROWN as good candidates for its
> various implications in the strand/beads concept (crown with jewels as an
> icon) and for the old relationship with the first flex codename at
> macromedia (that was in fact Royale)
>
> I'll be more happy to go with a name, icon, website done that would express
> our ideas in a modern, clean and beautiful way.
>
>
>>>
>>> In the other hand I can live with old "FlexJS" name, if people does not
>>> want a change, but these means to me that FlexJS will hardly get
>> considered
>>> in the mainstream.
>>>
>>> Just my 2
>>
>> More than that ;-)
>>
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
>
>
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.
Hi Dave,
2017-09-12 21:12 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>
>
> Do you have examples of Apache Flex or FlexJS getting bad press? It would
> make your argument more persuasive.
>
>
There's nothing published. I'm talking about customer meetings where you
expose that you can use "Flex" and your potential customer looks to you
with poker face since "Flex" is now considered an old technology from 2008.
The fact is almost all Flex developers had to switch to HTML and there's
almost no projects in Flex done today.
> >
> > In the other hand, we should look at our competitors : Angular, React,
> Vue,
> > Dart,... it's all marketing: the name, the website, if we don't play well
> > our cards, don't expect to have a widely used technology
>
> You mean like Beads, Bend or Strands?
>
Yes, I proposed in other thread ROYALE or CROWN as good candidates for its
various implications in the strand/beads concept (crown with jewels as an
icon) and for the old relationship with the first flex codename at
macromedia (that was in fact Royale)
I'll be more happy to go with a name, icon, website done that would express
our ideas in a modern, clean and beautiful way.
> >
> > In the other hand I can live with old "FlexJS" name, if people does not
> > want a change, but these means to me that FlexJS will hardly get
> considered
> > in the mainstream.
> >
> > Just my 2
>
> More than that ;-)
>
Thanks
Carlos
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Carlos.
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:39 AM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, just see this now, but I responded in the other thread. copying
> response:
>
> Regarding name, I would prefer a name change since the suffix "JS" is not
> reflecting the real potential of this project. If we want to output JS
> exclusively, I think it would be ok.
>
> In the other hand, "Flex" name has very bad press in IT and companies. If
> you put the word "Flex", you can have many problems with your work and
> credibility with the people you talk.
Do you have examples of Apache Flex or FlexJS getting bad press? It would make your argument more persuasive.
>
> In the other hand, we should look at our competitors : Angular, React, Vue,
> Dart,... it's all marketing: the name, the website, if we don't play well
> our cards, don't expect to have a widely used technology
You mean like Beads, Bend or Strands?
>
> In the other hand I can live with old "FlexJS" name, if people does not
> want a change, but these means to me that FlexJS will hardly get considered
> in the mainstream.
>
> Just my 2
More than that ;-)
Regards,
Dave
>
> thanks
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
> 2017-09-12 10:58 GMT+02:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I personally do not see a need for a new name.
>>
>> To me it’s more about branding the name. If FlexJS has its own identity
>> and Flash is barely mentioned I don’t think it’s dragging along the Flash
>> associations. For those familiar with Flex and wanting to migrate to JS,
>> the FlexJS name is a positive thing.
>>
>> Harbs
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 4:01 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted on
>> a few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
>> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
>>>
>>> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
>>>
>>> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
>> to Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
>>>
>>> Please provide arguments in any direction.
>>>
>>> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
>> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses of
>> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should vote.
>>>
>>> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
>> about keeping FlexJS.
>>>
>>> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
>> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
Hi, just see this now, but I responded in the other thread. copying
response:
Regarding name, I would prefer a name change since the suffix "JS" is not
reflecting the real potential of this project. If we want to output JS
exclusively, I think it would be ok.
In the other hand, "Flex" name has very bad press in IT and companies. If
you put the word "Flex", you can have many problems with your work and
credibility with the people you talk.
In the other hand, we should look at our competitors : Angular, React, Vue,
Dart,... it's all marketing: the name, the website, if we don't play well
our cards, don't expect to have a widely used technology
In the other hand I can live with old "FlexJS" name, if people does not
want a change, but these means to me that FlexJS will hardly get considered
in the mainstream.
Just my 2
thanks
Carlos
2017-09-12 10:58 GMT+02:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
> I personally do not see a need for a new name.
>
> To me it’s more about branding the name. If FlexJS has its own identity
> and Flash is barely mentioned I don’t think it’s dragging along the Flash
> associations. For those familiar with Flex and wanting to migrate to JS,
> the FlexJS name is a positive thing.
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 12, 2017, at 4:01 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> >
> > In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted on
> a few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
> >
> > There are one or two propositions to discuss.
> >
> > (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
> to Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
> >
> > Please provide arguments in any direction.
> >
> > (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses of
> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should vote.
> >
> > A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
> about keeping FlexJS.
> >
> > This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
I personally do not see a need for a new name.
To me it’s more about branding the name. If FlexJS has its own identity and Flash is barely mentioned I don’t think it’s dragging along the Flash associations. For those familiar with Flex and wanting to migrate to JS, the FlexJS name is a positive thing.
Harbs
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 4:01 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted on a few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
>
> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
>
> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection to Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
>
> Please provide arguments in any direction.
>
> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses of these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should vote.
>
> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion about keeping FlexJS.
>
> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
RE: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Chris Martin <ch...@outlook.com>.
Hey team,
I feel that FlexJS is the right name for the same reasons mentioned by other team members thus far.
Key one is that we’ve got the next 3 years to capitalize on the “Flex” name for users to see a possible migration path. I feel that keeping this name will make it easier for Developers who are being asked to migrate an Apache Flex web app to find our project.
Chris
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Hi -
I specifically asked Shane about when a trademark becomes an Apache mark. The answer can be summarized as once it is used. For a project that is when it approved and the website goes up. For a product it is when it is released. The TM ought be used to make it clear, but it can be implicit. It is important to do the Suitable Name Search to make sure that it looks like use of a name would not infringe on someone else’s mark.
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> I would like some thoughts on a related question, but first some context:
>
> IMO, it would help to continue to develop and ship a product called Apache
> FlexJS right now to draw in migrating Flex folks. And maybe some day,
> we'll ship a product that is more targeted to folks writing new JS apps
> and maybe even target runtimes other than JS, and that might have a name
> that doesn't have Flex in it. So, the _project_ could be called something
> else, but it seems odd for there to be an Apache Flex project and an
> Apache XX project that ships an Apache FlexJS product.
Assuming Flex will allow XX to do so yes.
>
> So my question is: How impactful the project name is compared to the
> product name? I'm not sure I can recite the project/manufacturer names
> behind many products but most are the same at Apache.
Around Lucene which came out of Nutch:
Apache Lucene is a project and product. Apache Solr is a product of Apache Lucene.
Apache Lucene.Net is a project and product.
Apache Lucy is a project and product.
>
> So, if someone thinks of a great project name that can encompass these
> possibilities in our future and Apache authorities won't object to using
> FlexJS for a product in a project with a different name, I would be in
> favor of the new name, but if project names aren't as impactful as product
> names, I'd just lean towards sticking with FlexJS as the project name for
> now just so we can get the proposal decided on in the September 20 board
> meeting and not have to wait more.
If we think a new name is appropriate then now is the time that’s why we should move ahead.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/11/17, 9:35 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I believe that FlexJS is the right name. We have gained some recognition
>> and visibility among people and companies. I don't believe that we are
>> really at the beginning anymore.
>>
>> Our main first customers are companies who would like to rewrite their
>> apps
>> from Flex, so this connection is something really good.
>> If majority which response to this thread would like to change the name I
>> will not fight. Keep in mind that we really would like to have the project
>> split - I believe that is the most important to us.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Piotr
>>
>> 2017-09-12 3:01 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted
>>> on a
>>> few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
>>> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
>>>
>>> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
>>>
>>> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
>>> to
>>> Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
>>>
>>> Please provide arguments in any direction.
>>>
>>> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
>>> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses
>>> of
>>> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
>>> about
>>> keeping FlexJS.
>>>
>>> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
>>> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi -
I specifically asked Shane about when a trademark becomes an Apache mark. The answer can be summarized as once it is used. For a project that is when it approved and the website goes up. For a product it is when it is released. The TM ought be used to make it clear, but it can be implicit. It is important to do the Suitable Name Search to make sure that it looks like use of a name would not infringe on someone else’s mark.
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> I would like some thoughts on a related question, but first some context:
>
> IMO, it would help to continue to develop and ship a product called Apache
> FlexJS right now to draw in migrating Flex folks. And maybe some day,
> we'll ship a product that is more targeted to folks writing new JS apps
> and maybe even target runtimes other than JS, and that might have a name
> that doesn't have Flex in it. So, the _project_ could be called something
> else, but it seems odd for there to be an Apache Flex project and an
> Apache XX project that ships an Apache FlexJS product.
Assuming Flex will allow XX to do so yes.
>
> So my question is: How impactful the project name is compared to the
> product name? I'm not sure I can recite the project/manufacturer names
> behind many products but most are the same at Apache.
Around Lucene which came out of Nutch:
Apache Lucene is a project and product. Apache Solr is a product of Apache Lucene.
Apache Lucene.Net is a project and product.
Apache Lucy is a project and product.
>
> So, if someone thinks of a great project name that can encompass these
> possibilities in our future and Apache authorities won't object to using
> FlexJS for a product in a project with a different name, I would be in
> favor of the new name, but if project names aren't as impactful as product
> names, I'd just lean towards sticking with FlexJS as the project name for
> now just so we can get the proposal decided on in the September 20 board
> meeting and not have to wait more.
If we think a new name is appropriate then now is the time that’s why we should move ahead.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/11/17, 9:35 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I believe that FlexJS is the right name. We have gained some recognition
>> and visibility among people and companies. I don't believe that we are
>> really at the beginning anymore.
>>
>> Our main first customers are companies who would like to rewrite their
>> apps
>> from Flex, so this connection is something really good.
>> If majority which response to this thread would like to change the name I
>> will not fight. Keep in mind that we really would like to have the project
>> split - I believe that is the most important to us.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Piotr
>>
>> 2017-09-12 3:01 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted
>>> on a
>>> few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
>>> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
>>>
>>> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
>>>
>>> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
>>> to
>>> Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
>>>
>>> Please provide arguments in any direction.
>>>
>>> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
>>> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses
>>> of
>>> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
>>> about
>>> keeping FlexJS.
>>>
>>> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
>>> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>
>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>> skype: zarzycki10
>>
>> LinkedIn:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked
>> in.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9e4bacb6b08a4923de8108d4f997b9a7%
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>> Kaf9RlzE9cCdJ3WErVGfHVFXsdQX%2BK48hw0Der8%3D&reserved=0
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>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.
I prefer a name change away from FlexJS.
I would like to concentrate more on getting new developers to the fold as
opposed concentrating on existing Flex developers.
The term FlexXX has a dated feel to it. Maybe a new name will get folks to
check it out at which point they will feel like sticking to it.
Thanks,
Om
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>
wrote:
> I would like some thoughts on a related question, but first some context:
>
> IMO, it would help to continue to develop and ship a product called Apache
> FlexJS right now to draw in migrating Flex folks. And maybe some day,
> we'll ship a product that is more targeted to folks writing new JS apps
> and maybe even target runtimes other than JS, and that might have a name
> that doesn't have Flex in it. So, the _project_ could be called something
> else, but it seems odd for there to be an Apache Flex project and an
> Apache XX project that ships an Apache FlexJS product.
>
> So my question is: How impactful the project name is compared to the
> product name? I'm not sure I can recite the project/manufacturer names
> behind many products but most are the same at Apache.
>
> So, if someone thinks of a great project name that can encompass these
> possibilities in our future and Apache authorities won't object to using
> FlexJS for a product in a project with a different name, I would be in
> favor of the new name, but if project names aren't as impactful as product
> names, I'd just lean towards sticking with FlexJS as the project name for
> now just so we can get the proposal decided on in the September 20 board
> meeting and not have to wait more.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 9/11/17, 9:35 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Dave,
> >
> >I believe that FlexJS is the right name. We have gained some recognition
> >and visibility among people and companies. I don't believe that we are
> >really at the beginning anymore.
> >
> >Our main first customers are companies who would like to rewrite their
> >apps
> >from Flex, so this connection is something really good.
> >If majority which response to this thread would like to change the name I
> >will not fight. Keep in mind that we really would like to have the project
> >split - I believe that is the most important to us.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Piotr
> >
> >2017-09-12 3:01 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
> >
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted
> >>on a
> >> few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
> >> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
> >>
> >> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
> >>
> >> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
> >>to
> >> Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
> >>
> >> Please provide arguments in any direction.
> >>
> >> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
> >> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses
> >>of
> >> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should
> >>vote.
> >>
> >> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
> >>about
> >> keeping FlexJS.
> >>
> >> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
> >> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Piotr Zarzycki
> >
> >mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> >skype: zarzycki10
> >
> >LinkedIn:
> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked
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> 0>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>.
I would like some thoughts on a related question, but first some context:
IMO, it would help to continue to develop and ship a product called Apache
FlexJS right now to draw in migrating Flex folks. And maybe some day,
we'll ship a product that is more targeted to folks writing new JS apps
and maybe even target runtimes other than JS, and that might have a name
that doesn't have Flex in it. So, the _project_ could be called something
else, but it seems odd for there to be an Apache Flex project and an
Apache XX project that ships an Apache FlexJS product.
So my question is: How impactful the project name is compared to the
product name? I'm not sure I can recite the project/manufacturer names
behind many products but most are the same at Apache.
So, if someone thinks of a great project name that can encompass these
possibilities in our future and Apache authorities won't object to using
FlexJS for a product in a project with a different name, I would be in
favor of the new name, but if project names aren't as impactful as product
names, I'd just lean towards sticking with FlexJS as the project name for
now just so we can get the proposal decided on in the September 20 board
meeting and not have to wait more.
Thoughts?
-Alex
On 9/11/17, 9:35 PM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>I believe that FlexJS is the right name. We have gained some recognition
>and visibility among people and companies. I don't believe that we are
>really at the beginning anymore.
>
>Our main first customers are companies who would like to rewrite their
>apps
>from Flex, so this connection is something really good.
>If majority which response to this thread would like to change the name I
>will not fight. Keep in mind that we really would like to have the project
>split - I believe that is the most important to us.
>
>Thanks,
>Piotr
>
>2017-09-12 3:01 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted
>>on a
>> few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
>> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
>>
>> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
>>
>> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection
>>to
>> Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
>>
>> Please provide arguments in any direction.
>>
>> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
>> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses
>>of
>> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should
>>vote.
>>
>> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion
>>about
>> keeping FlexJS.
>>
>> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
>> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>
>
>
>--
>
>Piotr Zarzycki
>
>mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>skype: zarzycki10
>
>LinkedIn:
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Dave,
I believe that FlexJS is the right name. We have gained some recognition
and visibility among people and companies. I don't believe that we are
really at the beginning anymore.
Our main first customers are companies who would like to rewrite their apps
from Flex, so this connection is something really good.
If majority which response to this thread would like to change the name I
will not fight. Keep in mind that we really would like to have the project
split - I believe that is the most important to us.
Thanks,
Piotr
2017-09-12 3:01 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
> Hi -
>
> In discussions on the Board and Private list about the proposal voted on a
> few weeks ago to fork FlexJS it was pointed out that it would good to
> discuss if a new name should be attached to the forked project.
>
> There are one or two propositions to discuss.
>
> (1) FlexJS - is this distinct enough and will the historical connection to
> Adobe/Apache Flex and Flash help or hinder the forked project’s future?
>
> Please provide arguments in any direction.
>
> (2) If a change is the outcome then we need to discuss and accumulate
> reasonable names. Determine what is suitable by checking for other uses of
> these names. If there are multiple choices available then we should vote.
>
> A discussion of possible names can go in parallel to the discussion about
> keeping FlexJS.
>
> This discussion needs to proceed quickly if we want to have an open
> process in advance of the next ASF Board meeting.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
--
Piotr Zarzycki
mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
skype: zarzycki10
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
<https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
Good point from Yishay :) i also really like Boja or Bend.
Thanks,
Piotr
2017-09-14 13:15 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yi...@hotmail.com>:
> How is Royale pronounced? Can Americans pronounce it and stay alive? I
> would go with a max 2 syllable word. If it’s Roh-yah-lay, then sorry
> Carlos, I’d send you back to the drawing board.
>
> From: Harbs<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org<ma...@flex.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
> I agree that for a new name it should just be something unique with a good
> “ring” to it.
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner
> urge
> > inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new identity
> for
> > FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any
> respects.
> >
> > Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
> > provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
> >
> > I just fear the effort.
> > So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
> >
> > I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
> > (I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
> >
> > I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
> > Flex -> elfX
> >
> > However and whatever name, you got me!
> >
> > Olaf
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.2333347.n4.nabble.com/
>
>
--
Piotr Zarzycki
mobile: +48 880 859 557
skype: zarzycki10
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/piotrzarzycki
<https://pl.linkedin.com/in/piotr-zarzycki-92a53552>
RE: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Kessler CTR Mark J <ma...@usmc.mil>.
Royale sounds too much like Pulp Fiction...
I do like the idea of the project and frameworks have similar names. Although I don't mind either way. If it's like having a make and a model, I would consider Apache more of the Make field and the Model being the SDK/framework which skips our project name all together.
In our environment they hear the framework name, but do not know what it means, they simply just see the end result of the products we produce. We are judged on what our target application looks, feels, and functions like. Once we get rid of the Flash dependency, the only negative perception will go away. So the ultimate framework just needs to have professional name and website.
Selling the concept of the framework is rated for us in three main aspects.
1. Longevity; knowing it will be around a long time.
2. Consistency that the structure, classes, and properties that we end up using won't be constantly changing (adding to is fine).
3. Activity on the project showing its alive and well.
-Mark K
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>.
I just heard back from Adobe Branding. They confirmed they do not own a
trademark for Royale and they don't care if we use it.
Thanks,
-Alex
On 9/14/17, 9:47 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>Even that is hard to explain on email. I think "Royal" has more emphasis
>on the first syllable "ROY-el" and "Royale" is a bit more like "ro-YELL".
>
>Dictionary.com: Royale [roi-AL]
> Royal [[ROI-uh l]
>
>
>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dictio
>nary.com%2Fbrowse%2Froyale%3Fs%3Dt&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c46e80df1784aa366110
>8d4fb9047bc%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C63641004447830930
>8&sdata=rlJ7AJ5JcggoPNCB%2FQkClIb8v2JOpj0bANGrG%2BGX2vs%3D&reserved=0
>Click on the pronunciation button.
>
>HTH,
>-Alex
>
>On 9/14/17, 8:12 AM, "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Like these two names - Roy-Al
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Yishay Weiss <yi...@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>> How is Royale pronounced? Can Americans pronounce it and stay alive? I
>>>would go with a max 2 syllable word. If it’s Roh-yah-lay, then sorry
>>>Carlos, I’d send you back to the drawing board.
>>>
>>> From: Harbs<ma...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:55 PM
>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org<ma...@flex.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>
>>> I agree that for a new name it should just be something unique with a
>>>good “ring” to it.
>>>
>>> Harbs
>>>
>>>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner
>>>>urge
>>>> inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new
>>>>identity for
>>>> FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any
>>>>respects.
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
>>>> provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
>>>>
>>>> I just fear the effort.
>>>> So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
>>>>
>>>> I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
>>>> (I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
>>>>
>>>> I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
>>>> Flex -> elfX
>>>>
>>>> However and whatever name, you got me!
>>>>
>>>> Olaf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from:
>>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-
>>>>f
>>>>lex-development.2333347.n4.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd9ec0129c007
>>>>4
>>>>247b1b708d4fb830063%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636409
>>>>9
>>>>87447708032&sdata=t6eSaFBVCFFDzu%2Bg1DutwzCNvLPL0apABdbx2raFCcI%3D&rese
>>>>r
>>>>ved=0
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>.
Even that is hard to explain on email. I think "Royal" has more emphasis
on the first syllable "ROY-el" and "Royale" is a bit more like "ro-YELL".
Dictionary.com: Royale [roi-AL]
Royal [[ROI-uh l]
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/royale?s=t
Click on the pronunciation button.
HTH,
-Alex
On 9/14/17, 8:12 AM, "Dave Fisher" <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Like these two names - Roy-Al
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Yishay Weiss <yi...@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>> How is Royale pronounced? Can Americans pronounce it and stay alive? I
>>would go with a max 2 syllable word. If it’s Roh-yah-lay, then sorry
>>Carlos, I’d send you back to the drawing board.
>>
>> From: Harbs<ma...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:55 PM
>> To: dev@flex.apache.org<ma...@flex.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>
>> I agree that for a new name it should just be something unique with a
>>good “ring” to it.
>>
>> Harbs
>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner
>>>urge
>>> inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new
>>>identity for
>>> FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any
>>>respects.
>>>
>>> Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
>>> provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
>>>
>>> I just fear the effort.
>>> So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
>>>
>>> I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
>>> (I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
>>>
>>> I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
>>> Flex -> elfX
>>>
>>> However and whatever name, you got me!
>>>
>>> Olaf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from:
>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-f
>>>lex-development.2333347.n4.nabble.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd9ec0129c0074
>>>247b1b708d4fb830063%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364099
>>>87447708032&sdata=t6eSaFBVCFFDzu%2Bg1DutwzCNvLPL0apABdbx2raFCcI%3D&reser
>>>ved=0
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Like these two names - Roy-Al
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:15 AM, Yishay Weiss <yi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> How is Royale pronounced? Can Americans pronounce it and stay alive? I would go with a max 2 syllable word. If it’s Roh-yah-lay, then sorry Carlos, I’d send you back to the drawing board.
>
> From: Harbs<ma...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:55 PM
> To: dev@flex.apache.org<ma...@flex.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>
> I agree that for a new name it should just be something unique with a good “ring” to it.
>
> Harbs
>
>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner urge
>> inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new identity for
>> FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any respects.
>>
>> Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
>> provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
>>
>> I just fear the effort.
>> So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
>>
>> I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
>> (I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
>>
>> I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
>> Flex -> elfX
>>
>> However and whatever name, you got me!
>>
>> Olaf
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.2333347.n4.nabble.com/
>
RE: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Yishay Weiss <yi...@hotmail.com>.
How is Royale pronounced? Can Americans pronounce it and stay alive? I would go with a max 2 syllable word. If it’s Roh-yah-lay, then sorry Carlos, I’d send you back to the drawing board.
From: Harbs<ma...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:55 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org<ma...@flex.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
I agree that for a new name it should just be something unique with a good “ring” to it.
Harbs
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner urge
> inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new identity for
> FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any respects.
>
> Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
> provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
>
> I just fear the effort.
> So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
>
> I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
> (I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
>
> I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
> Flex -> elfX
>
> However and whatever name, you got me!
>
> Olaf
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://apache-flex-development.2333347.n4.nabble.com/
Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
I agree that for a new name it should just be something unique with a good “ring” to it.
Harbs
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner urge
> inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new identity for
> FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any respects.
>
> Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
> provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
>
> I just fear the effort.
> So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
>
> I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
> (I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
>
> I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
> Flex -> elfX
>
> However and whatever name, you got me!
>
> Olaf
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>.
Hi,
I just would like to mention that it seems to me that there's an inner urge
inside most of us to leave the beaten paths and to build a new identity for
FlexJS which is more appropriate to this awesome technology in any respects.
Moreover, it seems to me more and more that such a new shiny identity
provides a fair chance to get more people involved.
I just fear the effort.
So thank you, Carlos, for your offer to help out with this!!!
I like "bøje" which is the Danish translation for "bend"
(I think this was already suggested by Harbs anywhere).
I also like anagrams and words as names that don't exist yet, e.g.:
Flex -> elfX
However and whatever name, you got me!
Olaf
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>.
Another idea to get out the naming dilemma could be to find a name for the
new project that still contains 'flex' but don't let you think of flex when
you read it the first time, e.g.:
...
Inflexion
Flexor
Flexure
...
Just a Scrabble exercise... ;-)
So people might be less confused if they find the word 'flex' in the
codebase.
Maybe current users and as well new users feel comfortable with such a name.
Just a thought...
Olaf
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>.
Could we try to summarize all name proposals in order to build a single post
that contains all candidates (project names) before voting?
I think it's not so easy to extract all naming ideas from the different
threads/posts, I just remember a few.
What do you think of just creating a list of previous proposals and new ones
in reply to this post?:
- Royale
- Bend
- ...
Thanks,
Olaf
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
Harbs,
Agree to start another vote simultaneously. We have gathered proposition in
this email chain, if you could get all of them. VOTE could look like that:
+1 (Name from the list)
+1 (My proposition)
Does this sound ok ?
I'm looking into the code what would be the impact changing all the
resources to get rid of Flex name. - It look so far as an big amount of
work. The question is - Are we have to do this if the product name will
stay as FlexJS ?
Piotr
2017-09-15 9:49 GMT+02:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
> I agree.
>
> Let’s finish the vote on the project name and we can discuss the product
> (or products) name(s) later.
>
> I think we should start the vote on the new name options. I’m not sure
> what the best format of such a vote should be. We need a culled list of
> options and way of tallying up opinions. Suggestions?
>
> I think we should start with everyone putting forward their favorites of
> the options mentioned. Once we have that, we can compile the list of
> options and start a vote.
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This was posted by Chris at the [VOTE] thread
> >> and I know what getting rid of "flex" everywhere inside the project
> would
> > mean regarding refactoring and >tool support.
> >
> > I thought that for now we just vote for a new project name in order to
> get
> > rid of the word 'Flex' within the Apache project name.
> > Hence I thought that there's no urgent need to replace the occurrence of
> the
> > word 'flex' throughout the entire codebase.
> > I think that there are a lot of projects out there which were renamed and
> > still contains old names in their codebase.
> >
> > Do I misunderstand something?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Olaf
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
I agree.
Let’s finish the vote on the project name and we can discuss the product (or products) name(s) later.
I think we should start the vote on the new name options. I’m not sure what the best format of such a vote should be. We need a culled list of options and way of tallying up opinions. Suggestions?
I think we should start with everyone putting forward their favorites of the options mentioned. Once we have that, we can compile the list of options and start a vote.
Harbs
> On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This was posted by Chris at the [VOTE] thread
>> and I know what getting rid of "flex" everywhere inside the project would
> mean regarding refactoring and >tool support.
>
> I thought that for now we just vote for a new project name in order to get
> rid of the word 'Flex' within the Apache project name.
> Hence I thought that there's no urgent need to replace the occurrence of the
> word 'flex' throughout the entire codebase.
> I think that there are a lot of projects out there which were renamed and
> still contains old names in their codebase.
>
> Do I misunderstand something?
>
> Thanks,
> Olaf
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>.
Hi,
This was posted by Chris at the [VOTE] thread
>and I know what getting rid of "flex" everywhere inside the project would
mean regarding refactoring and >tool support.
I thought that for now we just vote for a new project name in order to get
rid of the word 'Flex' within the Apache project name.
Hence I thought that there's no urgent need to replace the occurrence of the
word 'flex' throughout the entire codebase.
I think that there are a lot of projects out there which were renamed and
still contains old names in their codebase.
Do I misunderstand something?
Thanks,
Olaf
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Piotr Zarzycki <pi...@gmail.com>.
I'm willing to change my VOTE to Yes if there will be no help from Carlos
if we will have Project Name: Royale, but ship product name: FlexJS. Sorry
but we really have to have real help if it is even going to happen.
Thanks,
Piotr
2017-09-15 8:36 GMT+02:00 Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>:
> >So same product but marketed with two different names?
>
> I think this is what we see in the real world all the time:
> Identical products are optimized (under different names) for local markets
> or special target groups to satisfy the needs of consumers.
>
> Sounds like a reasonable way to reach as many people as possible but it
> also
> means some more effort and there is a risk of confusing the people
>
> Thanks,
> Olaf
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Posted by Olaf Krueger <ma...@olafkrueger.net>.
>So same product but marketed with two different names?
I think this is what we see in the real world all the time:
Identical products are optimized (under different names) for local markets
or special target groups to satisfy the needs of consumers.
Sounds like a reasonable way to reach as many people as possible but it also
means some more effort and there is a risk of confusing the people
Thanks,
Olaf
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