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RE: [jira] (MNG-5167) relative local repository settings
This was closed as won't fix.
This is still something that is of high value. Can the close comment be more
substantiated and it be migrated to apache?
Respectfully,
Jason Pyeron
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> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 14:36
> To: jpyeron@pdinc.us
> Subject: [jira] (MNG-5167) relative local repository settings
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> https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5167?page=com.atlassian.j
ira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
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> Jason van Zyl closed MNG-5167.
> ------------------------------
>
> Resolution: Won't Fix
>
> > relative local repository settings
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > Key: MNG-5167
> > URL: https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5167
> > Project: Maven 2 & 3
> > Issue Type: New Feature
> > Components: Settings
> > Affects Versions: 3.0.3, 3.0.4
> > Reporter: Jason Pyeron
> > Assignee: Jason van Zyl
> > Attachments: MNG-5167.patch
> >
> >
> > see patch
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Re: [jira] (s) relative local repository settings
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
On Jan 29, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Pyeron, Jason J CTR (US) <ja...@mail.mil> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason van Zyl
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:59 PM
>>
>> High value is a matter of perspective. I'm personally not interested in
>
> Yes it is a matter of perspective, but to evidence the value we have created a patch and forked.
>
Which we weigh against:
1) Our desire to integrate it, and it's something I don't see any of us wanting to encourage (although Hervé went out of his way to find you a solution)
2) We have to maintain the feature over time so do we see is as something in the interest of the majority of users
>> any feature that encourages or promotes putting binaries in your SCM.
>
> I do not think SCM issues should be a value judgment made by the Maven project. Nor is that the only use case.
>
Storing JARs in the SCM is definitely something we collectively eschew.
>> This is an outmoded definition of reproducibility IMO. I'm also not
>> interested in adjusting the whole system to support this. If adhering
>> to CMMI is a requirement you have, then you can make the necessary
>> adjustments.
>
> And we have by forking, and enforcing that upon the developers and contractors here. But, that is messy.
Not every feature request can be accommodated. It simply isn't a tenable option here.
>
>>
>> If you can see a clean way of providing an extension point in Maven
>> that provides the hooks you need to change the behaviour that would be
>> easier to digest. Then at least you don't need a forked version of
>> Maven but can drop in a JAR with your extension.
>
> Last time I looked at the code base I did not see a way to do a drop in JAR for this business logic. But I will look harder.
>
> Are you suggesting the change would be to call an optional support module instead to lookup what to do?
Yes, the code base since 3.x has supported injecting custom components. You might even be able to do it now with a custom local repository manager implementation.
>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Jason Pyeron <jp...@pdinc.us> wrote:
>>
>>> This was closed as won't fix.
>>>
>>> This is still something that is of high value. Can the close comment
>> be more
>>> substantiated and it be migrated to apache?
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> Jason Pyeron
>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jason van Zyl (JIRA) [mailto:jira@codehaus.org]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 14:36
>>>> To: jpyeron@pdinc.us
>>>> Subject: [jira] (MNG-5167) relative local repository settings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [
>>>> https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5167?page=com.atlassian.j
>>> ira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>>>
>>>> Jason van Zyl closed MNG-5167.
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Resolution: Won't Fix
>>>>
>
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> Program Executive Office for Mission Assurance
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Thanks,
Jason
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RE: [jira] (s) relative local repository settings
Posted by "Pyeron, Jason J CTR (US)" <ja...@mail.mil>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 12:59 PM
>
> High value is a matter of perspective. I'm personally not interested in
Yes it is a matter of perspective, but to evidence the value we have created a patch and forked.
> any feature that encourages or promotes putting binaries in your SCM.
I do not think SCM issues should be a value judgment made by the Maven project. Nor is that the only use case.
> This is an outmoded definition of reproducibility IMO. I'm also not
> interested in adjusting the whole system to support this. If adhering
> to CMMI is a requirement you have, then you can make the necessary
> adjustments.
And we have by forking, and enforcing that upon the developers and contractors here. But, that is messy.
>
> If you can see a clean way of providing an extension point in Maven
> that provides the hooks you need to change the behaviour that would be
> easier to digest. Then at least you don't need a forked version of
> Maven but can drop in a JAR with your extension.
Last time I looked at the code base I did not see a way to do a drop in JAR for this business logic. But I will look harder.
Are you suggesting the change would be to call an optional support module instead to lookup what to do?
>
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Jason Pyeron <jp...@pdinc.us> wrote:
>
> > This was closed as won't fix.
> >
> > This is still something that is of high value. Can the close comment
> be more
> > substantiated and it be migrated to apache?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Jason Pyeron
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jason van Zyl (JIRA) [mailto:jira@codehaus.org]
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 14:36
> >> To: jpyeron@pdinc.us
> >> Subject: [jira] (MNG-5167) relative local repository settings
> >>
> >>
> >> [
> >> https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5167?page=com.atlassian.j
> > ira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
> >>
> >> Jason van Zyl closed MNG-5167.
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Resolution: Won't Fix
> >>
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Program Executive Office for Mission Assurance
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Re: [jira] (s) relative local repository settings
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
High value is a matter of perspective. I'm personally not interested in any feature that encourages or promotes putting binaries in your SCM. This is an outmoded definition of reproducibility IMO. I'm also not interested in adjusting the whole system to support this. If adhering to CMMI is a requirement you have, then you can make the necessary adjustments.
If you can see a clean way of providing an extension point in Maven that provides the hooks you need to change the behaviour that would be easier to digest. Then at least you don't need a forked version of Maven but can drop in a JAR with your extension.
On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Jason Pyeron <jp...@pdinc.us> wrote:
> This was closed as won't fix.
>
> This is still something that is of high value. Can the close comment be more
> substantiated and it be migrated to apache?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jason Pyeron
>
> --
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason van Zyl (JIRA) [mailto:jira@codehaus.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 14:36
>> To: jpyeron@pdinc.us
>> Subject: [jira] (MNG-5167) relative local repository settings
>>
>>
>> [
>> https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5167?page=com.atlassian.j
> ira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
>>
>> Jason van Zyl closed MNG-5167.
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Resolution: Won't Fix
>>
>>> relative local repository settings
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>
>>> Key: MNG-5167
>>> URL: https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5167
>>> Project: Maven 2 & 3
>>> Issue Type: New Feature
>>> Components: Settings
>>> Affects Versions: 3.0.3, 3.0.4
>>> Reporter: Jason Pyeron
>>> Assignee: Jason van Zyl
>>> Attachments: MNG-5167.patch
>>>
>>>
>>> see patch
>>
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Thanks,
Jason
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