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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by neal <ne...@yahoo.com> on 2002/09/04 19:34:04 UTC
Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
Thanks.
Neal
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Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by Joel Schneider <js...@nmdp.org>.
neal wrote:
> Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
> Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
Struts provides much, but I don't think it's intended to be a
one-stop-shop solution.
If my understanding is correct, some of the commons projects (digester,
beanutils, and maybe logging) started out as part of Struts and were
split off into separate projects.
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Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Alot of frameworks do MVC, but what Struts does particularly well is
help you integrate the various Java technologies into a coherent whole.
A key point behnind Struts is that it is not trying to reinvent any
wheels. It provides the axels so we can use the wheels we already got.
Strut is by no means intended to be a one-stop solution. If anything,
it's meant to be a jumping off point into all the other technologies
Java has to offer.
One of the first things the infamous MailReader example does is create
its own custom tag. Not because it really ~needs~ to, but because we're
trying to show you its OK to roll your own.
Struts does play well with the Jakarta Taglibs, as well as any others
you care to name, including the new standard JSTL.
Struts also plays well with JAAS, DataSources, EJBs, and so forth.
Struts is positioned as a facilitator to help you use the rest of the
Java technologies and toolkits. So its less like Wal-Mart and more like
the landlord of a virtual mall. We provide the kiosk so you can stock
with whatever goodies you need.
-Ted.
neal wrote:
> I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
>
> I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
> know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
> provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
> commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
>
> Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
> Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
>
> Thanks.
> Neal
>
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RE: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
To tell you the truth, I thought you were maybe pulling people's chains and
were really a Flash/NT buff? Guess you are not the below Neal Cabage?
http://www.15seconds.com/issue/000804.htm
http://www.chinwag.com/flasher/archive/archive-feb-2000/msg03561.shtml
Anyway, you have been a puzzle to me is all. Don't get too uptight about
it. Go Zen!
At 11:37 PM 9/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Micael,
>
>Do me a favor and DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE OF MY POSTS.
>
>You know, other people seem quite capable of contributing to conversations
>without starting with an insult but I sware I think this is something you
>are incapable of. Every freaking email you write to me have some flippant,
>arrogant remark.
>
>Thanks you very much but I can do without your remarks.
>
>Neal
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:23 PM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
>
>
>Are you sure, neal, that you understand what is going on here? What
>"Commons/Jakarta taglibs" might you be talking about? As I understand
>it, you started this conversation not knowing how the web.xml was related
>to initializing servlets. Just trying to see how your various statements
>fit together to form some coherent whole.
>
>At 10:34 AM 9/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
> >
> >I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
> >know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
> >provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
> >commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
> >
> >Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
> >Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
> >
> >http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
> >
> >Thanks.
> >Neal
> >
> >
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RE: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by neal <ne...@yahoo.com>.
Micael,
Do me a favor and DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE OF MY POSTS.
You know, other people seem quite capable of contributing to conversations
without starting with an insult but I sware I think this is something you
are incapable of. Every freaking email you write to me have some flippant,
arrogant remark.
Thanks you very much but I can do without your remarks.
Neal
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From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Are you sure, neal, that you understand what is going on here? What
"Commons/Jakarta taglibs" might you be talking about? As I understand
it, you started this conversation not knowing how the web.xml was related
to initializing servlets. Just trying to see how your various statements
fit together to form some coherent whole.
At 10:34 AM 9/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
>
>I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
>know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
>provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
>commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
>
>Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
>Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
>
>Thanks.
>Neal
>
>
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RE: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by neal <ne...@yahoo.com>.
Sorry ... didn't mean to send this to the list.
And perhaps this was a little overkill ... but I am still on edge from a few
remarks earlier in the day.
N
-----Original Message-----
From: micael [mailto:caraunltd@harbornet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Are you sure, neal, that you understand what is going on here? What
"Commons/Jakarta taglibs" might you be talking about? As I understand
it, you started this conversation not knowing how the web.xml was related
to initializing servlets. Just trying to see how your various statements
fit together to form some coherent whole.
At 10:34 AM 9/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
>
>I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
>know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
>provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
>commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
>
>Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
>Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
>
>Thanks.
>Neal
>
>
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Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by micael <ca...@harbornet.com>.
Are you sure, neal, that you understand what is going on here? What
"Commons/Jakarta taglibs" might you be talking about? As I understand
it, you started this conversation not knowing how the web.xml was related
to initializing servlets. Just trying to see how your various statements
fit together to form some coherent whole.
At 10:34 AM 9/4/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
>
>I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
>know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
>provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
>commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
>
>Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
>Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
>
>Thanks.
>Neal
>
>
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Re: Jakarta Commons Lib ... and Struts
Posted by John Yu <jo...@scioworks.com>.
Neal,
Are you referring to Jakarta-Commons or Jakarata-Taglibs?
(1) Struts uses Jakarta-Commons internally.
(2) Struts' taglibs do overlap with JSTL in Jakarta-Taglibs. Long term
direction of Struts is to migrate to JSTL and deprecate the current
taglibs. Mid term solution is to provide a bridge. An effort is underway to
accomplish this. (Search for "Struts-EL" on the "struts-dev" list.)
At 01:34 am 05-09-2002, you wrote:
>I am new and still pondering whether to use Struts or not.
>
>I am aware of the MVC pattern as a reason to use Struts but am curious to
>know how it's funcitonality libraries and wrappers compare. Does Struts
>provide similar functionality to those libraries found in the Jakarta
>commons libs? Commons offers some pretty sweet stuff.
>
>Does anyone use Commons/Jakarta taglibs along side of Struts .. or does
>Struts intend to be a one-stop-shop sort of solution?
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/index.html
>
>Thanks.
>Neal
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