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Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and I'll
start having some conversations about what's next.
Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill developers
and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
are using Drill.
Thanks!!
-- C
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Nitin Pawar <ni...@gmail.com>.
+1 for drill only conference.
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Parth Chandra <pa...@apache.org> wrote:
> I'm a little late coming into this conversation, but wanted to chip in and
> add my +1 to the idea of working on getting Drill more exposure. Thanks
> Charles for taking this up!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All,
> > I’d like to thank everyone for their responses and ideas for a
> > DrillCon/Meetup/GetTogether/Whatever…. (Please don’t stop)
> > At this point, I’m going to contact the organizers of ApacheCon and OsCon
> > and see if either (or both) would be willing to start a track for Drill.
> > I’ll keep the board posted as to my progress.
> > Please don’t stop the conversation, I’d really like to everyone’s input
> > and ideas. Hopefully this goes somewhere!
> > — C
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:55, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've never been but what about OsCon?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Great option. It is bigger and better attended than ApacheCon (lately).
> > And
> > > they allow specialized tracks.
> >
> >
>
--
Nitin Pawar
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Parth Chandra <pa...@apache.org>.
I'm a little late coming into this conversation, but wanted to chip in and
add my +1 to the idea of working on getting Drill more exposure. Thanks
Charles for taking this up!
On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
> I’d like to thank everyone for their responses and ideas for a
> DrillCon/Meetup/GetTogether/Whatever…. (Please don’t stop)
> At this point, I’m going to contact the organizers of ApacheCon and OsCon
> and see if either (or both) would be willing to start a track for Drill.
> I’ll keep the board posted as to my progress.
> Please don’t stop the conversation, I’d really like to everyone’s input
> and ideas. Hopefully this goes somewhere!
> — C
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:55, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I've never been but what about OsCon?
> >>
> >
> > Great option. It is bigger and better attended than ApacheCon (lately).
> And
> > they allow specialized tracks.
>
>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>.
All,
I’d like to thank everyone for their responses and ideas for a DrillCon/Meetup/GetTogether/Whatever…. (Please don’t stop)
At this point, I’m going to contact the organizers of ApacheCon and OsCon and see if either (or both) would be willing to start a track for Drill. I’ll keep the board posted as to my progress.
Please don’t stop the conversation, I’d really like to everyone’s input and ideas. Hopefully this goes somewhere!
— C
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:55, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never been but what about OsCon?
>>
>
> Great option. It is bigger and better attended than ApacheCon (lately). And
> they allow specialized tracks.
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>.
All,
I’d like to thank everyone for their responses and ideas for a DrillCon/Meetup/GetTogether/Whatever…. (Please don’t stop)
At this point, I’m going to contact the organizers of ApacheCon and OsCon and see if either (or both) would be willing to start a track for Drill. I’ll keep the board posted as to my progress.
Please don’t stop the conversation, I’d really like to everyone’s input and ideas. Hopefully this goes somewhere!
— C
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:55, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've never been but what about OsCon?
>>
>
> Great option. It is bigger and better attended than ApacheCon (lately). And
> they allow specialized tracks.
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've never been but what about OsCon?
>
Great option. It is bigger and better attended than ApacheCon (lately). And
they allow specialized tracks.
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've never been but what about OsCon?
>
Great option. It is bigger and better attended than ApacheCon (lately). And
they allow specialized tracks.
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>.
I've never been but what about OsCon?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:59, Aman Sinha <am...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Agree with Julian about ApacheCon being a better venue with a track (or
> sub-conference ?) for Drill. The size and scale of the wider conference is
> likely to be beneficial despite other competing Apache projects. Perhaps
> the schedule could be managed in such a way that the conflicts with similar
> projects is minimized.
>
> -Aman
>
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> It’s a legitimate concern, but remember that the more “popular” platforms
>> tend to have their own conferences already. The Apache projects with the
>> most talks at ApacheCon were probably Beam and Spark, with 3 each.
>>
>> Without strong commercial backing (and a large advertising budget)
>> DrillCon is not going to see the promotion or attendance of say Spark
>> Summit or Kafka Summit. So, I think we have a glass half full: we can
>> promote “DrillCon (occurring as part of ApacheCon)” and promise a a full
>> day of fascinating talks by Drill users and developers. We can reach not
>> only the 30-50 people who came for Drill, but the 600 attendees who came to
>> ApacheCon for other reasons and might not be aware of Drill.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matt K <bs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed
>> by more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
>>>
>>> Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure
>> to grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at
>> that.
>>>
>>> The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus
>> not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice
>> is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org <mailto:
>> jhyde@apache.org>) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is
>> a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big
>> Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat
>> and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a
>> whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache
>> projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with
>> good facilities.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but
>> it’s something to consider next year.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@gmail.com <mailto:
>> cgivre@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>> Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a
>> joint
>>>>> Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the
>> overall
>>>>> theme?
>>>>>
>>>>> In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
>>>>> similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
>>>>> value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
>>>>> multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like
>> developer/analyst
>>>>> tracks.
>>>>> -- C
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bob@rud.is <mailto:
>> bob@rud.is>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>>>>>> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding
>> the
>>>>>> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>>>>>> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>>>>>> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>>>>>> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It
>> could
>>>>>> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>>>>>> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@apache.org
>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>>>>>>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>>>>>>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a
>> Drill
>>>>>>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note
>> and
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how
>> people
>>>>>>> are using Drill.
>>>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>>> -- C
>>>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>.
I've never been but what about OsCon?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 17, 2017, at 22:59, Aman Sinha <am...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Agree with Julian about ApacheCon being a better venue with a track (or
> sub-conference ?) for Drill. The size and scale of the wider conference is
> likely to be beneficial despite other competing Apache projects. Perhaps
> the schedule could be managed in such a way that the conflicts with similar
> projects is minimized.
>
> -Aman
>
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> It’s a legitimate concern, but remember that the more “popular” platforms
>> tend to have their own conferences already. The Apache projects with the
>> most talks at ApacheCon were probably Beam and Spark, with 3 each.
>>
>> Without strong commercial backing (and a large advertising budget)
>> DrillCon is not going to see the promotion or attendance of say Spark
>> Summit or Kafka Summit. So, I think we have a glass half full: we can
>> promote “DrillCon (occurring as part of ApacheCon)” and promise a a full
>> day of fascinating talks by Drill users and developers. We can reach not
>> only the 30-50 people who came for Drill, but the 600 attendees who came to
>> ApacheCon for other reasons and might not be aware of Drill.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matt K <bs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed
>> by more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
>>>
>>> Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure
>> to grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at
>> that.
>>>
>>> The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus
>> not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice
>> is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org <mailto:
>> jhyde@apache.org>) wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is
>> a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big
>> Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat
>> and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a
>> whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache
>> projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
>>>>
>>>> Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with
>> good facilities.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but
>> it’s something to consider next year.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@gmail.com <mailto:
>> cgivre@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>> Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a
>> joint
>>>>> Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the
>> overall
>>>>> theme?
>>>>>
>>>>> In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
>>>>> similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
>>>>> value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
>>>>> multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like
>> developer/analyst
>>>>> tracks.
>>>>> -- C
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bob@rud.is <mailto:
>> bob@rud.is>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>>>>>> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding
>> the
>>>>>> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>>>>>> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>>>>>> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>>>>>> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It
>> could
>>>>>> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>>>>>> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@apache.org
>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>>>>>>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>>>>>>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a
>> Drill
>>>>>>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note
>> and
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>>>>>> developers
>>>>>>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how
>> people
>>>>>>> are using Drill.
>>>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>>> -- C
>>>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Aman Sinha <am...@apache.org>.
Agree with Julian about ApacheCon being a better venue with a track (or
sub-conference ?) for Drill. The size and scale of the wider conference is
likely to be beneficial despite other competing Apache projects. Perhaps
the schedule could be managed in such a way that the conflicts with similar
projects is minimized.
-Aman
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> It’s a legitimate concern, but remember that the more “popular” platforms
> tend to have their own conferences already. The Apache projects with the
> most talks at ApacheCon were probably Beam and Spark, with 3 each.
>
> Without strong commercial backing (and a large advertising budget)
> DrillCon is not going to see the promotion or attendance of say Spark
> Summit or Kafka Summit. So, I think we have a glass half full: we can
> promote “DrillCon (occurring as part of ApacheCon)” and promise a a full
> day of fascinating talks by Drill users and developers. We can reach not
> only the 30-50 people who came for Drill, but the 600 attendees who came to
> ApacheCon for other reasons and might not be aware of Drill.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matt K <bs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed
> by more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
> >
> > Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure
> to grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at
> that.
> >
> > The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus
> not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice
> is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
> >
> >
> > On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org <mailto:
> jhyde@apache.org>) wrote:
> >
> >> I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is
> a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big
> Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat
> and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a
> whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache
> projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
> >>
> >> Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with
> good facilities.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but
> it’s something to consider next year.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@gmail.com <mailto:
> cgivre@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Bob,
> >> > Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a
> joint
> >> > Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the
> overall
> >> > theme?
> >> >
> >> > In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
> >> > similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
> >> > value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
> >> > multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like
> developer/analyst
> >> > tracks.
> >> > -- C
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bob@rud.is <mailto:
> bob@rud.is>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
> >> >> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding
> the
> >> >> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
> >> >> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
> >> >> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
> >> >> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It
> could
> >> >> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
> >> >> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >> >>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
> >> >>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
> >> >>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a
> Drill
> >> >>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note
> and
> >> >> I'll
> >> >>> start having some conversations about what's next.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
> >> >> developers
> >> >>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how
> people
> >> >>> are using Drill.
> >> >>> Thanks!!
> >> >>> -- C
> >> >>
>
>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Aman Sinha <am...@apache.org>.
Agree with Julian about ApacheCon being a better venue with a track (or
sub-conference ?) for Drill. The size and scale of the wider conference is
likely to be beneficial despite other competing Apache projects. Perhaps
the schedule could be managed in such a way that the conflicts with similar
projects is minimized.
-Aman
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> It’s a legitimate concern, but remember that the more “popular” platforms
> tend to have their own conferences already. The Apache projects with the
> most talks at ApacheCon were probably Beam and Spark, with 3 each.
>
> Without strong commercial backing (and a large advertising budget)
> DrillCon is not going to see the promotion or attendance of say Spark
> Summit or Kafka Summit. So, I think we have a glass half full: we can
> promote “DrillCon (occurring as part of ApacheCon)” and promise a a full
> day of fascinating talks by Drill users and developers. We can reach not
> only the 30-50 people who came for Drill, but the 600 attendees who came to
> ApacheCon for other reasons and might not be aware of Drill.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matt K <bs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed
> by more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
> >
> > Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure
> to grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at
> that.
> >
> > The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus
> not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice
> is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
> >
> >
> > On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org <mailto:
> jhyde@apache.org>) wrote:
> >
> >> I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is
> a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big
> Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat
> and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a
> whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache
> projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
> >>
> >> Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with
> good facilities.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but
> it’s something to consider next year.
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@gmail.com <mailto:
> cgivre@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Bob,
> >> > Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a
> joint
> >> > Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the
> overall
> >> > theme?
> >> >
> >> > In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
> >> > similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
> >> > value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
> >> > multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like
> developer/analyst
> >> > tracks.
> >> > -- C
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bob@rud.is <mailto:
> bob@rud.is>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
> >> >> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding
> the
> >> >> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
> >> >> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
> >> >> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
> >> >> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It
> could
> >> >> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
> >> >> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >> >>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
> >> >>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
> >> >>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a
> Drill
> >> >>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note
> and
> >> >> I'll
> >> >>> start having some conversations about what's next.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
> >> >> developers
> >> >>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how
> people
> >> >>> are using Drill.
> >> >>> Thanks!!
> >> >>> -- C
> >> >>
>
>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
It’s a legitimate concern, but remember that the more “popular” platforms tend to have their own conferences already. The Apache projects with the most talks at ApacheCon were probably Beam and Spark, with 3 each.
Without strong commercial backing (and a large advertising budget) DrillCon is not going to see the promotion or attendance of say Spark Summit or Kafka Summit. So, I think we have a glass half full: we can promote “DrillCon (occurring as part of ApacheCon)” and promise a a full day of fascinating talks by Drill users and developers. We can reach not only the 30-50 people who came for Drill, but the 600 attendees who came to ApacheCon for other reasons and might not be aware of Drill.
Julian
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matt K <bs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed by more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
>
> Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure to grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at that.
>
> The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
>
>
> On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>) wrote:
>
>> I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
>>
>> Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with good facilities.
>>
>> Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but it’s something to consider next year.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Bob,
>> > Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a joint
>> > Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
>> > theme?
>> >
>> > In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
>> > similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
>> > value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
>> > multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like developer/analyst
>> > tracks.
>> > -- C
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bob@rud.is <ma...@rud.is>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>> >> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
>> >> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>> >> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>> >> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>> >> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
>> >> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>> >> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>> >>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>> >>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>> >>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
>> >>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
>> >> I'll
>> >>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>> >>>
>> >>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>> >> developers
>> >>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
>> >>> are using Drill.
>> >>> Thanks!!
>> >>> -- C
>> >>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
It’s a legitimate concern, but remember that the more “popular” platforms tend to have their own conferences already. The Apache projects with the most talks at ApacheCon were probably Beam and Spark, with 3 each.
Without strong commercial backing (and a large advertising budget) DrillCon is not going to see the promotion or attendance of say Spark Summit or Kafka Summit. So, I think we have a glass half full: we can promote “DrillCon (occurring as part of ApacheCon)” and promise a a full day of fascinating talks by Drill users and developers. We can reach not only the 30-50 people who came for Drill, but the 600 attendees who came to ApacheCon for other reasons and might not be aware of Drill.
Julian
> On Jun 16, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Matt K <bs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed by more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
>
> Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure to grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at that.
>
> The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
>
>
> On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>) wrote:
>
>> I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
>>
>> Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with good facilities.
>>
>> Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but it’s something to consider next year.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Bob,
>> > Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a joint
>> > Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
>> > theme?
>> >
>> > In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
>> > similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
>> > value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
>> > multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like developer/analyst
>> > tracks.
>> > -- C
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bob@rud.is <ma...@rud.is>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>> >> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
>> >> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>> >> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>> >> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>> >> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
>> >> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>> >> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cgivre@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>> >>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>> >>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>> >>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
>> >>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
>> >> I'll
>> >>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>> >>>
>> >>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>> >> developers
>> >>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
>> >>> are using Drill.
>> >>> Thanks!!
>> >>> -- C
>> >>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Matt K <bs...@gmail.com>.
A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed by
more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure to
grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at that.
The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus
not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice
is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org) wrote:
I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is a
good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big
Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat
and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a
whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache
projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with
good facilities.
Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but it’s
something to consider next year.
Julian
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a
joint
> Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
> theme?
>
> In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
> similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
> value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
> multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like
developer/analyst
> tracks.
> -- C
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is> wrote:
>
>> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
>> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
>> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org>
wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
>>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
>> I'll
>>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>> developers
>>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how
people
>>> are using Drill.
>>> Thanks!!
>>> -- C
>>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Matt K <bs...@gmail.com>.
A counter point: I would be concerned that Drill would be overshadowed by
more “popular” or more entrenched platforms.
Drill is an excellent and somewhat unique tech that needs more exposure to
grow. An event that focuses purely on Drill may have better success at that.
The caveat may be that a Drill only summit may have low turnout and thus
not succeed at the above goals, thus I’m not certain what the right choice
is, but I wanted to bring up the point for discussion.
On June 14, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM, Julian Hyde (jhyde@apache.org) wrote:
I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is a
good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big
Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat
and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a
whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache
projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with
good facilities.
Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but it’s
something to consider next year.
Julian
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a
joint
> Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
> theme?
>
> In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
> similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
> value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
> multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like
developer/analyst
> tracks.
> -- C
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is> wrote:
>
>> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
>> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
>> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org>
wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
>>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
>> I'll
>>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>> developers
>>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how
people
>>> are using Drill.
>>> Thanks!!
>>> -- C
>>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with good facilities.
Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but it’s something to consider next year.
Julian
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a joint
> Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
> theme?
>
> In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
> similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
> value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
> multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like developer/analyst
> tracks.
> -- C
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is> wrote:
>
>> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
>> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
>> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
>>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
>> I'll
>>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>> developers
>>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
>>> are using Drill.
>>> Thanks!!
>>> -- C
>>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I like the idea of co-hosting a conference. ApacheCon in particular is a good venue, and they explicitly encourage sub-conferences (there are “Big Data” and “IoT” tracks, and this year there were sub-conferences for Tomcat and CloudStack). DrillCon was part of ApacheCon, people could attend a whole day of Drill talks, or they they could go to talks about other Apache projects in the larger conference, and connect with Apache members.
Also, the conference is professionally organized, at a large hotel with good facilities.
Unfortunately ApacheCon just happened (it was in Miami in May); but it’s something to consider next year.
Julian
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a joint
> Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
> theme?
>
> In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
> similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
> value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
> multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like developer/analyst
> tracks.
> -- C
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is> wrote:
>
>> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
>> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
>> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
>> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
>> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
>> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
>> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
>> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
>>> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
>>> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
>>> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
>> I'll
>>> start having some conversations about what's next.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
>> developers
>>> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
>>> are using Drill.
>>> Thanks!!
>>> -- C
>>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>.
Hi Bob,
Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a joint
Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
theme?
In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like developer/analyst
tracks.
-- C
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is> wrote:
> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
> > I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
> > thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
> > Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
> I'll
> > start having some conversations about what's next.
> >
> > Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
> developers
> > and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
> > are using Drill.
> > Thanks!!
> > -- C
>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Charles Givre <cg...@gmail.com>.
Hi Bob,
Good to hear from you. I agree that there could be value in having a joint
Presto/Drill/Redshift conference, but how would you describe the overall
theme?
In essence (not looking to start a flame war here...) these tools are
similar in terms of what the user experiences and I can definitely see
value in bringing the communities together. I also like the idea of
multiple tracks. I was thinking of having something like developer/analyst
tracks.
-- C
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is> wrote:
> I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
> have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
> scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
> claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
> to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
> compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
> be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
> specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
> > I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
> > thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
> > Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and
> I'll
> > start having some conversations about what's next.
> >
> > Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill
> developers
> > and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
> > are using Drill.
> > Thanks!!
> > -- C
>
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is>.
I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and I'll
> start having some conversations about what's next.
>
> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill developers
> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
> are using Drill.
> Thanks!!
> -- C
Re: Drill Summit/Conference Proposal
Posted by Bob Rudis <bo...@rud.is>.
I grok this is the Drill list and I'm also a big user of Drill (and
have made some UDFs) but there might be some efficacy in expanding the
scope to the Presto and Redshift Spectrum communities. I'm not
claiming there's 100% equivalence, but the broader view of being able
to access multiple types of data sources from a central platform is
compelling and -- at least in my circles -- not widely known. It could
be an event with a a primary central track but three separate
specializations that have a couple intraday time pockets.
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Charles Givre <cg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello fellow Drill users and developers,
> I've been involved with the Drill community for some time, and I was
> thinking that it might be time to start exploring the idea of a Drill
> Summit or Conference. If you're interested, please send me a note and I'll
> start having some conversations about what's next.
>
> Personally, I think it could be extremely valuable to get Drill developers
> and users together and share ideas about where things are and how people
> are using Drill.
> Thanks!!
> -- C