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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au> on 2011/06/11 10:59:15 UTC

[DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschmann@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote:
> 
> [  ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to
> OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
> 
> I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that
the
> project will find the needed resources at Apache.

Hi Volker,

Please tell us what sort of 'resources' are you talking about, examples
please, are
these infrastructure resources? If so, as an infra person here at the ASF I
would
like some insight into what people think we don’t have or  cannot handle.

I have been researching myself online and with other folks including OOo
infra admins
and so far I haven’t found anything to make me think that this cannot be
done at
an infrastructure level.

Gav...

> 
> Bye
> 
> Volker
> 
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Re: [DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)

Posted by Simon Brouwer <si...@xs4all.nl>.
Hi Gavin,

Op 11-6-2011 10:59, Gavin McDonald schreef:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschmann@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote:
>>
>> [  ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to
>> OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that
> the
>> project will find the needed resources at Apache.
> Hi Volker,
>
> Please tell us what sort of 'resources' are you talking about, examples
> please, are
> these infrastructure resources? If so, as an infra person here at the ASF I
> would
> like some insight into what people think we don’t have or  cannot handle.

I'm not answering for Volker, but personally I see a big problem in the 
fact that the installation packages of OpenOffice.org as we know it 
today contain numerous "external" (mostly LGPL) libraries and binaries 
that are not ASL licensed and not covered under the Oracle grant.
As I understand, it is strict ASF policy not to distribute binaries 
containing non-ASL source, and it will be far from trivial to replace 
those dependencies. Therefore I expect that, even if OpenOffice.org can 
be built and distributed under these restrictions, it will be severely 
crippled for a long time to come. I foresee that many (prospective) 
OpenOffice.org-users will lose interest and that we won't be able to 
regain the momentum.

-- 

Vriendelijke groet,
Simon Brouwer.

| http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org |


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Re: [DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)

Posted by Volker Merschmann <me...@gmail.com>.
Hi Gavin,

2011/6/11 Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>:
>> From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschmann@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote:
>>
>> [  ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to
>> OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
>>
>> I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that
> the
>> project will find the needed resources at Apache.
>
> Please tell us what sort of 'resources' are you talking about, examples
> please, are
> these infrastructure resources? If so, as an infra person here at the ASF I
> would
> like some insight into what people think we don’t have or  cannot handle.
>
> I have been researching myself online and with other folks including OOo
> infra admins
> and so far I haven’t found anything to make me think that this cannot be
> done at
> an infrastructure level.
>
I think the technical part can be solved. Not easy, but possible.

But you should read about resources here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/general@incubator.apache.org/msg28861.html
That came from inside Apache, didn't it?

And additional from the OOo-side: Did you watch the development of
OpenOffice.org as project and as product since the fork? In fact there
wasn't any, despite the fact that Oracle was still sponsoring. Even if
OOo@Apache will attract some people who hesitated to participitate
before, there will be not enough to continue OOo to meet it's fine
history.

Apache can be proud as it got the grant, but I doubt that OOo will be
long-term pleasure.


Volker


-- 
Volker Merschmann
Member of The Document Foundation
http://www.documentfoundation.org

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