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Posted to dev@lenya.apache.org by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org> on 2003/05/08 12:56:56 UTC
Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
On 7/05/2003 12:03 Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>
>>> 1 - Apache projects are used to having the Apache project logo on the
>>> left and the sub-project one in the center or on the right.
>>> Lenya is officially Apache Cocoon Lenya, as the project is Cocoon. So
>>> it would need the Apache logo with "Cocoon" in it on the left (look
>>> at the xml and incubator and Jakarta pages for samples), and the
>>> Lenya one on the other side.
>>
>>
>> I will change this.
>
>
> I added the Cocoon logo for the moment.
> Is there already a "The Apache Cocoon Project" Logo?
> If not, what's the place to discuss this?
I made one once for the GetTogether and reused it for my XML Europe
presentation: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/xmleurope/cocoon/
Nothing 'official' however, though I like.
</Steven>
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Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote, On 09/05/2003 13.06:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote, On 09/05/2003 11.54:
>> ...
>>
>>> I used the "The Apache ... Project" SVG from jakarta-site2 to create
>>> a "The Apache Cocoon Project" logo (as you can see on www.wyona.org).
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> BTW, the new skin is very nice!
>
> It's based on Michaels ideas - clear functional Swiss design :)
> Maybe it's even worth to be committed to Forrest?
Well, it looks like a mix between the Forrest and the Krysalis one,
could it be made as a specialization of the Forrest or the Krysalis one
somehow?
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Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote, On 09/05/2003 11.54:
>> ...
>>
>>> I used the "The Apache ... Project" SVG from jakarta-site2 to create
>>> a "The Apache Cocoon Project" logo (as you can see on www.wyona.org).
>>
>>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> BTW, the new skin is very nice!
>>
>
> It's based on Michaels ideas - clear functional Swiss design :)
right, but ideas are cheap and implementation is hard, and Andreas did
all the implementation ... (a big thank you)
btw, the Lenya logo is by Stephen England.
Thanks
Michael
> Maybe it's even worth to be committed to Forrest?
>
> Andreas
>
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Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@wyona.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>
> Andreas Hartmann wrote, On 09/05/2003 11.54:
> ...
>
>> I used the "The Apache ... Project" SVG from jakarta-site2 to create
>> a "The Apache Cocoon Project" logo (as you can see on www.wyona.org).
>
>
> :-)
>
> BTW, the new skin is very nice!
>
It's based on Michaels ideas - clear functional Swiss design :)
Maybe it's even worth to be committed to Forrest?
Andreas
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Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote, On 09/05/2003 11.54:
...
> I used the "The Apache ... Project" SVG from jakarta-site2 to create
> a "The Apache Cocoon Project" logo (as you can see on www.wyona.org).
:-)
BTW, the new skin is very nice!
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Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@wyona.org>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> On 7/05/2003 12:03 Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1 - Apache projects are used to having the Apache project logo on
>>>> the left and the sub-project one in the center or on the right.
>>>> Lenya is officially Apache Cocoon Lenya, as the project is Cocoon.
>>>> So it would need the Apache logo with "Cocoon" in it on the left
>>>> (look at the xml and incubator and Jakarta pages for samples), and
>>>> the Lenya one on the other side.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will change this.
>>
>>
>>
>> I added the Cocoon logo for the moment.
>> Is there already a "The Apache Cocoon Project" Logo?
>> If not, what's the place to discuss this?
>
>
> I made one once for the GetTogether and reused it for my XML Europe
> presentation: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/xmleurope/cocoon/
>
> Nothing 'official' however, though I like.
I used the "The Apache ... Project" SVG from jakarta-site2 to create
a "The Apache Cocoon Project" logo (as you can see on www.wyona.org).
Thanks for your support!
Andreas
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Re: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Thursday 08 May 2003 11:12 pm, Steven Noels wrote:
> On 9/05/2003 8:33 Matthew Langham wrote:
> > Hmm.. is there? I mean Cocoon merchandise? Should we set something up
> > (cafepress.com - or a European alternative)?
> Cafepress quality sux badly - when we meet again, I'll give you my
> t-shirt with OT-logo I once did over there as a test - if I haven't
> thrown it away by then
> Cafepress uses iron-on techniques, which tend to be less quality then
> screen printing. But the quality of the t-shirt itself was pretty bad as
> well (http://www.cafeshops.com/outershop).
And I thought CafePress was (to me unheard of) Coffee Shop franchise :o/
Hmmm... I need another coffee now.
Niclas
Re: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 9/05/2003 8:33 Matthew Langham wrote:
>>I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
>>minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
>>merchandise.
>>
>
>
> Hmm.. is there? I mean Cocoon merchandise? Should we set something up
> (cafepress.com - or a European alternative)?
>
> What's the general opinion / legal-view-because-we-would-use-the-logo on
> this?
>
> "Recoginze fellow Cocoon'ers immediately - buy an official Cocoon T-Shirt".
> Proceeds could then go to ...... (something).
Cafepress quality sux badly - when we meet again, I'll give you my
t-shirt with OT-logo I once did over there as a test - if I haven't
thrown it away by then
Cafepress uses iron-on techniques, which tend to be less quality then
screen printing. But the quality of the t-shirt itself was pretty bad as
well (http://www.cafeshops.com/outershop).
This being said, some of you know my wife is the HRM for a local
sheltered workplace which also does t-shirt screen printing, so we might
as well pull off something on our own. We (OT) already did for the
GetTogether.
The ASF is working with http://www.jinxhackwear.com/, but AFAIK, they
don't ship to Europe (http://www.jinxhackwear.com/apache/)
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Re: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
on 5/9/03 7:14 AM Argyn wrote:
> Cocoon's also Sony's product, btw
Cocoon is also a movie. A store of sex toys. A sofa maker. A
javadoc-like C++ documentation library. And a common dictionary word.
As much as microsoft has problems enforcing "Windows", Sony would have
terrible time enforcing Cocoon on us or anybody else.
And, in any case, we are "Apache Cocoon" and the ASF has been granted
the use of the "Apache" name as long as we remain respectful of the
spirit of the native north-american cultures.
So, just like Microsoft can't stop you from making your own t-shirt with
'windows' on it (if you didn't use any trademarked logo or graphics,
that is), Sony could not stop us from making 'cocoon' t-shirt or hats or
mugs or bouncy balls or any other fancy gadget if we used our own
graphic design that clearly identified us.
Which is the case with our current logo.
--
Stefano.
Re: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
Posted by "C. Gaffga" <cg...@triplemind.com>.
> Cocoon's also Sony's product, btw
cocoon is also a regular club event by Sven V�th in the U60 in Frankfurt.
Was in the legendary Club "Omen" before, but this one doesn't exist anymore
:(.
http://www.cocoon.net/
Christoph
"Argyn" <ak...@cox.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Cocoon's also Sony's product, btw
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Langham [mailto:mlangham@s-und-n.de]
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:33 AM
> > To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> > Subject: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
> >
> >
> >
> > > I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
> > > minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
> > > merchandise.
> > >
> >
> > Hmm.. is there? I mean Cocoon merchandise? Should we set something up
> > (cafepress.com - or a European alternative)?
> >
> > What's the general opinion /
> > legal-view-because-we-would-use-the-logo on
> > this?
> >
>
>
>
RE: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
Posted by Argyn <ak...@cox.net>.
Cocoon's also Sony's product, btw
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Langham [mailto:mlangham@s-und-n.de]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:33 AM
> To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
>
>
>
> > I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
> > minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
> > merchandise.
> >
>
> Hmm.. is there? I mean Cocoon merchandise? Should we set something up
> (cafepress.com - or a European alternative)?
>
> What's the general opinion /
> legal-view-because-we-would-use-the-logo on
> this?
>
Cocoon merchandise - was: Apache Cocoon logo
Posted by Matthew Langham <ml...@s-und-n.de>.
> I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
> minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
> merchandise.
>
Hmm.. is there? I mean Cocoon merchandise? Should we set something up
(cafepress.com - or a European alternative)?
What's the general opinion / legal-view-because-we-would-use-the-logo on
this?
"Recoginze fellow Cocoon'ers immediately - buy an official Cocoon T-Shirt".
Proceeds could then go to ...... (something).
Matthew
Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 08/05/2003 22.02:
...
> I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
> minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
> merchandise.
>
> I'm strongly -1 on changing the logo. The cocoon project logo should be
> the same as Cocoon's.
I think it's important that Apache Projects have a consistent part.
This is the reason why I have changes the Jakarta logo to match the
Apache one on the front page.
To be more precise, it's not a logo, it's just the name.
So I propose that on the left hand size there is the "standard" Apache
Cocoon logo, and in the center the Cocoon logo you like so much.
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Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by "C. Gaffga" <cg...@triplemind.com>.
> sorry to rain on the party, but I strongly dislike the apache feather
> (from an artistic point of view). We should be brave enough to stop
> using it.
It's not about the cocoon-logo, i'm always +1 with simple logos, like Atari,
only three lines and it looks great! And BTW I don't like the apache feather
as well.
I was only thinking that It would be a good thing to show in the logo, that
the cocoon project ist somehow related to apache.org.
> the SVG for the feather is sometimes bigger than the equivalent raster!!!
The size of the SVG doesn't realy matter, i think, because if your render it
with cocoon it would be serverd from the cache on the second request.
Christoph Gaffga
P.S.: Some time ago you had the folloing picture on the cocoon-site for
download:
http://www.triplemind.com/images/3rdparty/cocoon.gif, an it had the apache
feather also.
I was looking for it yesterday, but i couldn't find it anymore, where has it
gone?
"Stefano Mazzocchi" <st...@apache.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3EBAB7D7.3040308@apache.org...
> on 5/8/03 6:16 AM C. Gaffga wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > wouldn't it be nice to have this one as the offical logo?
>
> sorry to rain on the party, but I strongly dislike the apache feather
> (from an artistic point of view). We should be brave enough to stop
> using it.
>
> > And to have it
> > also as an svg to render it in every size?
>
> the SVG for the feather is sometimes bigger than the equivalent raster!!!
>
> I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
> minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
> merchandise.
>
> I'm strongly -1 on changing the logo. The cocoon project logo should be
> the same as Cocoon's.
>
> Stefano.
Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
on 5/8/03 6:16 AM C. Gaffga wrote:
> Hi,
> wouldn't it be nice to have this one as the offical logo?
sorry to rain on the party, but I strongly dislike the apache feather
(from an artistic point of view). We should be brave enough to stop
using it.
> And to have it
> also as an svg to render it in every size?
the SVG for the feather is sometimes bigger than the equivalent raster!!!
I designed the cocoon 2.0 logo to be very easy to render (the svg is
minimal!) yet recognizable and easy to print on t-shirt and other
merchandise.
I'm strongly -1 on changing the logo. The cocoon project logo should be
the same as Cocoon's.
--
Stefano.
Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by "C. Gaffga" <cg...@triplemind.com>.
Hi,
wouldn't it be nice to have this one as the offical logo? And to have it
also as an svg to render it in every size?
Christoph Gaffga
cgaffga@triplemind.com
"Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3EBA37F8.1040700@outerthought.org...
> On 7/05/2003 12:03 Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
> > Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> >
> >> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1 - Apache projects are used to having the Apache project logo on the
> >>> left and the sub-project one in the center or on the right.
> >>> Lenya is officially Apache Cocoon Lenya, as the project is Cocoon. So
> >>> it would need the Apache logo with "Cocoon" in it on the left (look
> >>> at the xml and incubator and Jakarta pages for samples), and the
> >>> Lenya one on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >> I will change this.
> >
> >
> > I added the Cocoon logo for the moment.
> > Is there already a "The Apache Cocoon Project" Logo?
> > If not, what's the place to discuss this?
>
> I made one once for the GetTogether and reused it for my XML Europe
> presentation: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/xmleurope/cocoon/
>
> Nothing 'official' however, though I like.
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
Re: Apache Cocoon logo [was: Re: www.wyona.org down]
Posted by "C. Gaffga" <cg...@triplemind.com>.
Hi,
wouldn't it be nice to have this one as the offical logo? And to have it
also as an svg to render it in every size?
Christoph Gaffga
cgaffga@triplemind.com
"Steven Noels" <st...@outerthought.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3EBA37F8.1040700@outerthought.org...
> On 7/05/2003 12:03 Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
> > Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> >
> >> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1 - Apache projects are used to having the Apache project logo on the
> >>> left and the sub-project one in the center or on the right.
> >>> Lenya is officially Apache Cocoon Lenya, as the project is Cocoon. So
> >>> it would need the Apache logo with "Cocoon" in it on the left (look
> >>> at the xml and incubator and Jakarta pages for samples), and the
> >>> Lenya one on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >> I will change this.
> >
> >
> > I added the Cocoon logo for the moment.
> > Is there already a "The Apache Cocoon Project" Logo?
> > If not, what's the place to discuss this?
>
> I made one once for the GetTogether and reused it for my XML Europe
> presentation: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/xmleurope/cocoon/
>
> Nothing 'official' however, though I like.
>
> </Steven>
> --
> Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/
> Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
> Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/
> stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
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