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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Dimitri Papadopoulos-Orfanos wrote:
> This patch changes from:
> [...] and asked, How can we maximize productivity?. Rather [...]
> to:
> [...] and asked, How can we maximize productivity? Rather [...]

Thanks for the patch!  I've applied it in r10795.

-- 
Michael W Thelen
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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Posted by "Øyvind A. Holm" <su...@sunbase.org>.
On 2004-09-02 09:38:14 Andy Whitcroft wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:47, kfogel@collab.net wrote:
> > Someone (Andy, maybe?) wrote:
> > > What's the reason for the extra period after the quote?
> >
> > To end the enclosing sentence, of which the quote is merely one 
> > element.  The enclosing sentence is declarative, not interrogative, 
> > therefore I don't want to end it with a question mark.
>
> Perhaps the issue here is that the fact that this is a quote is not 
> differentiated sufficiently.  Perhaps enclose it in "'s or <em> it?

That would create double quotes on systems where it actually works, and 
that's not good. Some browsers doesn't show quotes when they encounter 
<q>s, but that's erroneous behaviour. And <em> isn't correct neither. So 
it's better to punish those running bad software. :)

Regards,
Øyvind A. Holm
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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Posted by Andy Whitcroft <ap...@shadowen.org>.
On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:47, kfogel@collab.net wrote:

> > What's the reason for the extra period after the quote?
>
> To end the enclosing sentence, of which the quote is merely one
> element.  The enclosing sentence is declarative, not interrogative,
> therefore I don't want to end it with a question mark.

Perhaps the issue here is that the fact that this is a quote is not 
differentiated sufficiently.  Perhaps enclose it in "'s or <em> it?

-apw

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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Posted by Michael W Thelen <th...@cs.utah.edu>.
> > What's the reason for the extra period after the quote?
> 
> To end the enclosing sentence, of which the quote is merely one
> element.  The enclosing sentence is declarative, not interrogative,
> therefore I don't want to end it with a question mark.
> 
> There, aren't you glad you asked? :-)

Yes, actually.  Thanks for the explanation.  Interestingly, I agree with
your logic and at the same time will still defend the particular
(illogical?) grammar rules I learned in grade school.  I guess English
is just kind of that way.  Anyway, I'll be aware of these kinds of
things in the future, and try not to step inadvertently into any more
bikesheds.  :-)

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Michael W Thelen
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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Posted by kf...@collab.net.
thelenm@cs.utah.edu writes:
> It did look deliberate, but it's also incorrect...
> 
> http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

The question of whether a grammatical form is "correct" is not an easy
one to resolve.  [Insert the usual objections to arguments from
authority here.]  Many grammar books and style guides contradict each
other.  Some have said things that are just obviously ridiculous and
based on misunderstandings of English's origins (such as the famous
"don't end a sentence with a preposition").  Sometimes things that
people think are ancient & noble grammatical rules of English turn out
to be fairly recent developments, in some cases traceable directly to
a particular printer's or editor's whim, as late as the nineteenth or
even twentieth century.

If I wrote a grammar book, and cited it, would that be an equally
acceptable authority :-) ?  Does it give me more authority if I tell
you that I was once an English teacher?  It shouldn't, IMHO, but
anyway it's true.

> What's the reason for the extra period after the quote?

To end the enclosing sentence, of which the quote is merely one
element.  The enclosing sentence is declarative, not interrogative,
therefore I don't want to end it with a question mark.

There, aren't you glad you asked? :-)

-Karl

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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Posted by th...@cs.utah.edu.
> > > This patch changes from:
> > > [...] and asked, How can we maximize productivity?. Rather [...]
> > > to:
> > > [...] and asked, How can we maximize productivity? Rather [...]
> > 
> > Thanks for the patch!  I've applied it in r10795.
> 
> Thanks both -- but I reverted this in r10795.  The grammar was
> deliberate.

It did look deliberate, but it's also incorrect...

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

What's the reason for the extra period after the quote?

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Michael W Thelen
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Re: [BOOK PATCH] foreword detail

Posted by kf...@collab.net.
Michael W Thelen <th...@cs.utah.edu> writes:
> Dimitri Papadopoulos-Orfanos wrote:
> > This patch changes from:
> > [...] and asked, How can we maximize productivity?. Rather [...]
> > to:
> > [...] and asked, How can we maximize productivity? Rather [...]
> 
> Thanks for the patch!  I've applied it in r10795.

Thanks both -- but I reverted this in r10795.  The grammar was
deliberate.

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