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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by bjcheny <co...@gmail.com> on 2012/05/31 14:53:55 UTC
Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Hi,
When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
http://www.oooninja.com/
It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was ever
maintained by Andrew Ziem <aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
aziem@openoffice.org).
I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe we can
take it back, and post our news/articles there.
There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
article<http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
which is already gone.
I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
Just a suggestion. :-)
Regards,
Chen Ying
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by bjcheny <co...@gmail.com>.
Sure. I appreciate it very much.
Thanks.
2012/6/1 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>
> On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 09:37 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> > Thanks, that will be fine.
> > I thought I found another place to post stuff besides wiki.
> > :-) Thanks again for your sharing.
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, I did hear back from Andrew and though his life is rather busy
> right now that wouldn't preclude you from talking with him directly
> about generating new content for the site, if that is something you
> seriously want to do.
>
> The thing to do would be to contact him directly. Would you like his
> email address?
>
> //drew
>
>
>
> >
> > 2012/5/31 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>
> >
> > > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
> > > > > http://www.oooninja.com/
> > > > > It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it
> was
> > > ever
> > > > > maintained by Andrew Ziem <
> > > aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
> > > > > aziem@openoffice.org).
> > > > > I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story?
> Maybe
> > > we can
> > > > > take it back, and post our news/articles there.
> > > >
> > > > It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog,
> there is
> > > > nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
> > > > appropriate for, or related to, here.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/BTW.
> > >
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > >
> > > As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
> > > resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
> > > think of.
> > >
> > > I have a recent email address for Andrew and will contact him - will
> let
> > > the list know what if anything comes of that.
> > >
> > >
> > > //drew
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
> > > > > article<
> > > http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
> > > > > which is already gone.
> > > >
> > > > Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are
> getting
> > > > > unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do
> something.
> > > > > Just a suggestion. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Chen Ying
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 09:37 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> Thanks, that will be fine.
> I thought I found another place to post stuff besides wiki.
> :-) Thanks again for your sharing.
Hi,
Well, I did hear back from Andrew and though his life is rather busy
right now that wouldn't preclude you from talking with him directly
about generating new content for the site, if that is something you
seriously want to do.
The thing to do would be to contact him directly. Would you like his
email address?
//drew
>
> 2012/5/31 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>
>
> > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
> > > > http://www.oooninja.com/
> > > > It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was
> > ever
> > > > maintained by Andrew Ziem <
> > aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
> > > > aziem@openoffice.org).
> > > > I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe
> > we can
> > > > take it back, and post our news/articles there.
> > >
> > > It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
> > > nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
> > > appropriate for, or related to, here.
> > >
> > > Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> >
> > As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
> > resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
> > think of.
> >
> > I have a recent email address for Andrew and will contact him - will let
> > the list know what if anything comes of that.
> >
> >
> > //drew
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
> > > > article<
> > http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
> > > > which is already gone.
> > >
> > > Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
> > >
> > > > I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
> > > > unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
> > > > Just a suggestion. :-)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Chen Ying
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by bjcheny <co...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, that will be fine.
I thought I found another place to post stuff besides wiki.
:-) Thanks again for your sharing.
2012/5/31 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>
> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
> > > http://www.oooninja.com/
> > > It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was
> ever
> > > maintained by Andrew Ziem <
> aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
> > > aziem@openoffice.org).
> > > I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe
> we can
> > > take it back, and post our news/articles there.
> >
> > It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
> > nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
> > appropriate for, or related to, here.
> >
> > Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
>
> Hi again,
>
>
> As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
> resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
> think of.
>
> I have a recent email address for Andrew and will contact him - will let
> the list know what if anything comes of that.
>
>
> //drew
>
> >
> > >
> > > There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
> > > article<
> http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
> > > which is already gone.
> >
> > Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
> >
> > > I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
> > > unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
> > > Just a suggestion. :-)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Chen Ying
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 01/06/2012 drew wrote:
> IMO - the individual supporter sites were and are a very real asset.
Yes. And OOo Ninja used to have excellent articles about the new
OpenOffice features. See for example
http://www.oooninja.com/2009/01/openofficeorg-31-new-features.html
Now, I wish we had had something like that for OpenOffice 3.4... We
managed to put together very comprehensive and readable release notes,
but users would still benefit from a quick overview like that one.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 11:06 -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> On 2012-05-31, at 10:09 , drew wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
> >>> http://www.oooninja.com/
> >>> It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was ever
> >>> maintained by Andrew Ziem <aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
> >>> aziem@openoffice.org).
> >>> I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe we can
> >>> take it back, and post our news/articles there.
> >>
> >> It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
> >> nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
> >> appropriate for, or related to, here.
> >>
> >> Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> >
> > As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
> > resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
> > think of.
>
> At least. Actually, "precedent' is a glorification of series of mistakes and oopses, but in the end, the conclusion, which I think antedated the formation of the Community Council, I and a few others came to was*:
>
> || private sites voluntarily donated and maintained unless publicly backed by policy and institution representatives (i.e., the OOo community council, at the time; now, the PMC), are always more vulnerable than those arranged for by contract, simply because the latter works to secure the future and eliminate the uncertainty of the market, at least in theory, if not always in practice, of course.
>
> || any donated site (whatever that means), must comply with the policy (or come up with a better one that the governing body can adopt), and part of that policy really ought to have provisions for hand-over.
>
> * [We—mostly Sun/Hamburg--never implemented these points in full b/c of corporate resistance and never really scripted them; they existed more as conversations, and that's a pity. The consequences of that failure of policy writing can be seen here and there. ]
>
> My take is that little is lost by having policy guidelines and if those guidelines need amendment or outright expunging, fine: do it. No policy ought to be thought of as cut into stone—that's what makes it a policy and not a law or even commandment.
>
> Of course, any policy pertaining to something like the Ninja site or any other promotional site personally maintained ought to be, logically, consistent with any mirrors site or any other public site representing OOo, yes?
Hi Louis,
IMO - the individual supporter sites were and are a very real asset.
The examples I mentioned where example of an open community working.
Someone did something good, they wanted to discontinue and came to the
mailing list, at the project and asked if there was anyone interested in
continuing. There was and they do. In both cases if you, as an
individual, think they could have newer and or better content then help
make some - they both take contributions from anyone interested.
In some other cases sites may have come and gone but even contracting
(whatever that really means beyond a rather informal nod) do the same
also.
Sure I completely agree that a supporter site must track the projects
desires with regards to branding, in these cases they were certainly
recognized as acceptable by the community.
There is also nothing stopping others from offering sites with
overlapping services - the user base is sizable and certainly benefits,
IMO, from a more networked info/support environment, with providers of
all sorts.
Where the project can improve is in how it presents to users what is
available in that universe.
//drew
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 2012-05-31, at 10:09 , drew wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
>> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
>>> http://www.oooninja.com/
>>> It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was ever
>>> maintained by Andrew Ziem <aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
>>> aziem@openoffice.org).
>>> I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe we can
>>> take it back, and post our news/articles there.
>>
>> It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
>> nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
>> appropriate for, or related to, here.
>>
>> Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
>
> Hi again,
>
>
> As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
> resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
> think of.
At least. Actually, "precedent' is a glorification of series of mistakes and oopses, but in the end, the conclusion, which I think antedated the formation of the Community Council, I and a few others came to was*:
|| private sites voluntarily donated and maintained unless publicly backed by policy and institution representatives (i.e., the OOo community council, at the time; now, the PMC), are always more vulnerable than those arranged for by contract, simply because the latter works to secure the future and eliminate the uncertainty of the market, at least in theory, if not always in practice, of course.
|| any donated site (whatever that means), must comply with the policy (or come up with a better one that the governing body can adopt), and part of that policy really ought to have provisions for hand-over.
* [We—mostly Sun/Hamburg--never implemented these points in full b/c of corporate resistance and never really scripted them; they existed more as conversations, and that's a pity. The consequences of that failure of policy writing can be seen here and there. ]
My take is that little is lost by having policy guidelines and if those guidelines need amendment or outright expunging, fine: do it. No policy ought to be thought of as cut into stone—that's what makes it a policy and not a law or even commandment.
Of course, any policy pertaining to something like the Ninja site or any other promotional site personally maintained ought to be, logically, consistent with any mirrors site or any other public site representing OOo, yes?
>
> I have a recent email address for Andrew and will contact him - will let
> the list know what if anything comes of that.
Thanks
Louis
>
>
> //drew
>
>>
>>>
>>> There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
>>> article<http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
>>> which is already gone.
>>
>> Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
>>
>>> I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
>>> unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
>>> Just a suggestion. :-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chen Ying
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 09:20 -0400, drew wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
> > http://www.oooninja.com/
> > It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was ever
> > maintained by Andrew Ziem <aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
> > aziem@openoffice.org).
> > I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe we can
> > take it back, and post our news/articles there.
>
> It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
> nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
> appropriate for, or related to, here.
>
> Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
Hi again,
As a project (OO.o) there was some precedent for handing off private
resources from one member to another - such happened twice that I can
think of.
I have a recent email address for Andrew and will contact him - will let
the list know what if anything comes of that.
//drew
>
> >
> > There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
> > article<http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
> > which is already gone.
>
> Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
>
> > I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
> > unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
> > Just a suggestion. :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chen Ying
>
>
>
Re: Friendly Web www.OOoNinja.com
Posted by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>.
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 20:53 +0800, bjcheny wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When I go through some links from Office OpenXML, I find this:
> http://www.oooninja.com/
> It's aimed to bring news/tips/howtos for openoffice.org. And it was ever
> maintained by Andrew Ziem <aziem@openoffice.org?subject=www.OOoNinja.com> (
> aziem@openoffice.org).
> I guess it's close with our community, and is there any story? Maybe we can
> take it back, and post our news/articles there.
It was not, maintained by, Andrew it is Andrew's personal blog, there is
nothing to take back. There is a story why it has gone silent, not
appropriate for, or related to, here.
Andrew also worked with Fridrich on http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ BTW.
>
> There is also a similar one, GullFOSS
> article<http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_chart_features_in_openoffice>,
> which is already gone.
Yes that was an internal SUN Microsystems blog.
> I wonder if there are more similar friendly webs ever which are getting
> unknown to us, and we may need to take care of them, or do something.
> Just a suggestion. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Chen Ying