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blogs and galleries
Hello,
I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries like, for
example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 10:20 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> [...]
> > > A gallery is quite easy to implement. If you don't need special
> > > features you can take a look at the cocooncenter publication
> > > (http://www.cocooncenter.org/gallery.html). It doesn't allow upload
> > > (because I don't need it), it just creates previews from a directory
> > > of images.
> >
> > Hmm, I actually look for something which allows you to provide titles and
> > descriptions for the pictures—in different languages and in arbitrary
> > XML. UI support for setting titles and descriptions and uploading the
> > pictures would also be nice. Is something like this planned for the
> > future? How difficult would it be to implement this?
>
> 1.4 contains a media resource type, which could be used as a starting
> point. You can use custom meta data for the descriptions. You'd have to
> implement a preview / overview page, which isn't that hard since 1.4
> ships an SVG module which allows to scale images on the server side.
>
> I think an experienced developer could develop a really nice gallery
> module within a week, a crude one maybe in two or three days.
Sad that neither I have experience with Lenya programming nor I have much free
time to spend for such a project. :-( I think if an experienced (Lenya)
developer who develops such a module as part of his work needs one week, I
will probably need one year. So anyone who wants to develop such a thing so
that I might not go to Flux CMS instead? ;-)
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 10:20 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>> [...]
>
>> 1.4 contains a media resource type, which could be used as a starting
>> point. You can use custom meta data for the descriptions. You'd have to
>> implement a preview / overview page, which isn't that hard since 1.4
>> ships an SVG module which allows to scale images on the server side.
>
> Further question: Does this mean that if you do without a overview page for
> the moment, you can have a gallery right now just by using the media resource
> type?
Well, you can upload images. Asset upload in 1.4 is currently unstable
because the "old" asset upload (assets connected to page) doesn't work
(according to a bug entry) and the new resource module isn't fully
integrated yet (you can't include assets in pages in the editors).
I hope this will be fixed soon.
-- Andreas
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 10:20 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> [...]
> 1.4 contains a media resource type, which could be used as a starting
> point. You can use custom meta data for the descriptions. You'd have to
> implement a preview / overview page, which isn't that hard since 1.4
> ships an SVG module which allows to scale images on the server side.
Further question: Does this mean that if you do without a overview page for
the moment, you can have a gallery right now just by using the media resource
type?
> [...]
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries like,
>>> for example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
>> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
>
> In version 1.2 or only in version 1.4?
In both versions.
>> A gallery is quite easy to implement. If you don't need special
>> features you can take a look at the cocooncenter publication
>> (http://www.cocooncenter.org/gallery.html). It doesn't allow upload
>> (because I don't need it), it just creates previews from a directory
>> of images.
>
> Hmm, I actually look for something which allows you to provide titles and
> descriptions for the pictures—in different languages and in arbitrary XML.
> UI support for setting titles and descriptions and uploading the pictures
> would also be nice. Is something like this planned for the future? How
> difficult would it be to implement this?
1.4 contains a media resource type, which could be used as a starting
point. You can use custom meta data for the descriptions. You'd have to
implement a preview / overview page, which isn't that hard since 1.4
ships an SVG module which allows to scale images on the server side.
I think an experienced developer could develop a really nice gallery
module within a week, a crude one maybe in two or three days.
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries like,
> > for example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
>
> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
In version 1.2 or only in version 1.4?
> A gallery is quite easy to implement. If you don't need special
> features you can take a look at the cocooncenter publication
> (http://www.cocooncenter.org/gallery.html). It doesn't allow upload
> (because I don't need it), it just creates previews from a directory
> of images.
Hmm, I actually look for something which allows you to provide titles and
descriptions for the pictures—in different languages and in arbitrary XML.
UI support for setting titles and descriptions and uploading the pictures
would also be nice. Is something like this planned for the future? How
difficult would it be to implement this?
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@wyona.com>.
El jue, 31-08-2006 a las 12:14 +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch escribió:
> Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 12:18 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> > […]
>
> > We from Wyona have developed some blog modules.
>
> Are these the modules which are used in the weblog publication which is
> installed by default with Lenya 1.2.4?
No.
> (I don't think so but I want to be
> sure.) If not, will your modules be part of the ordinary Lenya distribution
> in the future?
Not sure.
> Do they work with Lenya 1.2.4 or only with 1.4?
>
1.4 only
> > It is important to note that lenya is coming with the blog as *publication*
> > and not as modules.
>
> Does this mean that your Lenya websites either don't contain a weblog or are a
> weblog of their own withown anything further? This would be very bad for me
> since I want to create a website with a blog only being a part of it. Do you
> mean that the Wyona blog modules don't have this restriction?
No the modules do not have this restriction. The blog publication ATM
AFAIR is blog only but one could change the sitemap a wee bit to have
both.
salu2
>
> > You can download and install the wyona modules from:
> > https://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/
> > user: anonymous
> > pass: anonymous
> >
> > The modules are:
> > * blogentry/
> > * blogfeed/
>
> Thanks for the information.
>
> > The principal is dead simple:
> > blogfeed/ - is the overview about all blog entry. A blog entry can only
> > be created as child of a blog feed. Since you can create multiple blog
> > feeds (not like in the blog pub where you only can have one feed) you
> > can "categories" them as you please but till now the above modules
> > support "only" hierarchical structure.
>
> This sounds good, indeed.
>
> > […]
>
> Best wishes,
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 12:18 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> […]
> We from Wyona have developed some blog modules.
Are these the modules which are used in the weblog publication which is
installed by default with Lenya 1.2.4? (I don't think so but I want to be
sure.) If not, will your modules be part of the ordinary Lenya distribution
in the future? Do they work with Lenya 1.2.4 or only with 1.4?
> It is important to note that lenya is coming with the blog as *publication*
> and not as modules.
Does this mean that your Lenya websites either don't contain a weblog or are a
weblog of their own withown anything further? This would be very bad for me
since I want to create a website with a blog only being a part of it. Do you
mean that the Wyona blog modules don't have this restriction?
> You can download and install the wyona modules from:
> https://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/
> user: anonymous
> pass: anonymous
>
> The modules are:
> * blogentry/
> * blogfeed/
Thanks for the information.
> The principal is dead simple:
> blogfeed/ - is the overview about all blog entry. A blog entry can only
> be created as child of a blog feed. Since you can create multiple blog
> feeds (not like in the blog pub where you only can have one feed) you
> can "categories" them as you please but till now the above modules
> support "only" hierarchical structure.
This sounds good, indeed.
> […]
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@wyona.com>.
El jue, 31-08-2006 a las 00:35 +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch escribió:
> Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 15:53 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> > El mié, 30-08-2006 a las 13:14 +0200, Comiotto Thomas escribió:
> > […]
>
> > > However: In my view the catch with Lenya-based blogs, galleries,
> > > slashdot-style publishing etc. is that we have a. no built-in support
> > > for annotations (let page visitors comment on blog entries) and b. we
> > > lack AC/WF usecases (including GUI support) that account for a.
> > >
> > > What I mean is that Lenya currently has no usecase that let's page
> > > visitors register as authors for a specific set of pages (or workflow
> > > events) to post a comment on that page(s).
> >
> > Actually with the new AC that I am currently working on in the sandbox
> > that is possible and very easy.
>
> Does this mean that the current blog implementations offer no possibility for
> site users to post comments on blog posts?
No it does not, neither does the wyona modules.
salu2
>
> > […]
>
> Best wishes,
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 15:53 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> El mié, 30-08-2006 a las 13:14 +0200, Comiotto Thomas escribió:
> […]
> > However: In my view the catch with Lenya-based blogs, galleries,
> > slashdot-style publishing etc. is that we have a. no built-in support
> > for annotations (let page visitors comment on blog entries) and b. we
> > lack AC/WF usecases (including GUI support) that account for a.
> >
> > What I mean is that Lenya currently has no usecase that let's page
> > visitors register as authors for a specific set of pages (or workflow
> > events) to post a comment on that page(s).
>
> Actually with the new AC that I am currently working on in the sandbox
> that is possible and very easy.
Does this mean that the current blog implementations offer no possibility for
site users to post comments on blog posts?
> […]
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@wyona.com>.
El mié, 30-08-2006 a las 13:14 +0200, Comiotto Thomas escribió:
> Hi
>
> >
> > We from Wyona have developed some blog modules. It is important to note
> > that lenya is coming with the blog as *publication* and not as modules.
> > You can download and install the wyona modules from:
> > https://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/
> > user: anonymous
> > pass: anonymous
> >
>
> Nice.
>
> However: In my view the catch with Lenya-based blogs, galleries,
> slashdot-style publishing etc. is that we have a. no built-in support
> for annotations (let page visitors comment on blog entries) and b. we
> lack AC/WF usecases (including GUI support) that account for a.
>
> What I mean is that Lenya currently has no usecase that let's page
> visitors register as authors for a specific set of pages (or workflow
> events) to post a comment on that page(s).
Actually with the new AC that I am currently working on in the sandbox
that is possible and very easy.
>
> This would also be needed for implementing message board & voting
> modules or similar - a feature request that is posted to the userlist
> every month or so since the early beginnings of Lenya.
>
> But even if such a module was written; I am sceptical if the current AC
> GUI implementation would support dealing with 10000+ registered "public
> authors" (commenting on articles, blog entries, forum messages) - so
> that would have to be reworked to support seamless support for
> "collaborative usecases" I guess.
Please, if you can test the ac-restricted branch in the sandbox. I hope
to finish it today or tomorrow morning and then merge it to the trunk.
There you very nicely deny and grant access to subtrees and/or specific
URL.
>
> Moreover, public authors would want to access notification and
> authoring usecases from the website (as opposed to the Lenya GUI). So
> that would have to be reworked/added too.
>
> This all can be done - note that it's supported by most php/mysql-based
> solutions out there. But in terms of the current Lenya codebase quite a
> lot would have to be changed I guess - so frankly I think: it won't be
> done.
Not sure. If you can outline the basic architecture (like a
php/mysql-based one) I reckon it should not be as hard to implement.
salu2
>
> --
> Bests
> Thomas
>
>
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Comiotto Thomas <th...@unicom.unizh.ch>.
Hi
>
> We from Wyona have developed some blog modules. It is important to note
> that lenya is coming with the blog as *publication* and not as modules.
> You can download and install the wyona modules from:
> https://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/
> user: anonymous
> pass: anonymous
>
Nice.
However: In my view the catch with Lenya-based blogs, galleries,
slashdot-style publishing etc. is that we have a. no built-in support
for annotations (let page visitors comment on blog entries) and b. we
lack AC/WF usecases (including GUI support) that account for a.
What I mean is that Lenya currently has no usecase that let's page
visitors register as authors for a specific set of pages (or workflow
events) to post a comment on that page(s).
This would also be needed for implementing message board & voting
modules or similar - a feature request that is posted to the userlist
every month or so since the early beginnings of Lenya.
But even if such a module was written; I am sceptical if the current AC
GUI implementation would support dealing with 10000+ registered "public
authors" (commenting on articles, blog entries, forum messages) - so
that would have to be reworked to support seamless support for
"collaborative usecases" I guess.
Moreover, public authors would want to access notification and
authoring usecases from the website (as opposed to the Lenya GUI). So
that would have to be reworked/added too.
This all can be done - note that it's supported by most php/mysql-based
solutions out there. But in terms of the current Lenya codebase quite a
lot would have to be changed I guess - so frankly I think: it won't be
done.
--
Bests
Thomas
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@wyona.com>.
El mar, 29-08-2006 a las 17:39 +0200, Wolfgang Jeltsch escribió:
> Am Dienstag, 29. August 2006 09:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> > Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > But I have further questions. I'd like to know whether a blog entry can
> > > belong to several categories and whether Lenya's blog module supports
> > > hierarchical categories.
> >
> > AFAIK there are no categories,
>
> Hmm, no categories is really a big disadvantage for me…
>
> > but my knowledge about the blog publication ends here ...
>
> Who is the maintainer of the blog module so that I might ask him/her about
> this module?
Since this is an open source project there is not a specific person that
is the maintainer but the whole project.
We from Wyona have developed some blog modules. It is important to note
that lenya is coming with the blog as *publication* and not as modules.
You can download and install the wyona modules from:
https://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/
user: anonymous
pass: anonymous
The modules are:
* blogentry/
* blogfeed/
The principal is dead simple:
blogfeed/ - is the overview about all blog entry. A blog entry can only
be created as child of a blog feed. Since you can create multiple blog
feeds (not like in the blog pub where you only can have one feed) you
can "categories" them as you please but till now the above modules
support "only" hierarchical structure.
Regarding the implementation of the gallery, you can contract the
creation from solution provider such as Wyona. If you interested please
contact for example solution.at.wyona.com and we can make you an
estimation.
Otherwise you would need to wait that someone develop it and attach it
to our issue tracker.
salu2
>
> > […]
>
> Thanks anyway for your answers.
>
> Best wishes,
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Dienstag, 29. August 2006 09:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > But I have further questions. I'd like to know whether a blog entry can
> > belong to several categories and whether Lenya's blog module supports
> > hierarchical categories.
>
> AFAIK there are no categories,
Hmm, no categories is really a big disadvantage for me…
> but my knowledge about the blog publication ends here ...
Who is the maintainer of the blog module so that I might ask him/her about
this module?
> […]
Thanks anyway for your answers.
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
[...]
> But I have further questions. I'd like to know whether a blog entry can
> belong to several categories and whether Lenya's blog module supports
> hierarchical categories.
AFAIK there are no categories, but my knowledge about the blog
publication ends here ...
> By the way, is there any documentation for the blog module? I couldn't find
> any on Lenya's website. (If you can point me to a good documentation, I
> won't annoy you with so many questions. ;-) )
I guess we have to live with the questions then :)
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Montag, 28. August 2006 09:54 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 25. August 2006 10:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> >> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> >>> Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> [...]
> >>>> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
> >>>
> >>> Does it support arbitrary XML document types for the blog articles?
> >>
> >> No, it has a specific document type for the blog entries.
> >
> > Which one?
>
> It is called "entry". Here's the sample:
>
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <echo:entry xmlns:echo="http://purl.org/atom/ns#"
> xmlns:ent="http://www.purl.org/NET/ENT/1.0/">
Ah, a standard blog document type! Since often using standards is also a good
thing it seems that I can live with this document type.
> [...]
But I have further questions. I'd like to know whether a blog entry can
belong to several categories and whether Lenya's blog module supports
hierarchical categories.
By the way, is there any documentation for the blog module? I couldn't find
any on Lenya's website. (If you can point me to a good documentation, I
won't annoy you with so many questions. ;-) )
Best wishes,
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Freitag, 25. August 2006 10:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
>>> Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>>> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries
>>>>> like, for example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
>>>> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
>>> Does it support arbitrary XML document types for the blog articles?
>> No, it has a specific document type for the blog entries.
>
> Which one?
It is called "entry". Here's the sample:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<echo:entry xmlns:echo="http://purl.org/atom/ns#"
xmlns:ent="http://www.purl.org/NET/ENT/1.0/">
<echo:title>My Sample Entry</echo:title>
<echo:summary>Summary</echo:summary>
<echo:author>
<echo:name>Bob B. Bobbington</echo:name>
</echo:author>
<echo:link rel="alternate" href="" type="text/xml"/>
<echo:id>tag:bob.blog.net,2004:04:15:taxes</echo:id>
<echo:created>2003-02-05T12:29:29-04:00</echo:created>
<echo:issued>2003-02-05T08:29:29-04:00</echo:issued>
<echo:modified>2003-02-05T12:29:29-04:00</echo:modified>
<echo:content type="application/xhtml+xml">
<p><em>Hello</em>, <strong>weblog</strong> <a
href="http://www.apache.org">world</a>!</p>
</echo:content>
</echo:entry>
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Freitag, 25. August 2006 10:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> >> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries
> >>> like, for example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
> >>
> >> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
> >
> > Does it support arbitrary XML document types for the blog articles?
>
> No, it has a specific document type for the blog entries.
Which one?
> [...]
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Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries like,
>>> for example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
>> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
>
> Does it support arbitrary XML document types for the blog articles?
No, it has a specific document type for the blog entries.
Unfortunately I can't tell you how complex it would be to
make this more flexible.
-- Andreas
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Wolfgang Jeltsch <wo...@jeltsch.net>.
Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 09:14 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries like,
> > for example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
>
> A blog is included in the standard distribution.
Does it support arbitrary XML document types for the blog articles?
> [...]
Best wishes,
Wolfgang
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Re: blogs and galleries
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Wolfgang Jeltsch wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'd like to know whether Lenya has support for blogs and galleries like, for
> example, Flux CMS (http://www.flux-cms.org/) has.
A blog is included in the standard distribution.
A gallery is quite easy to implement. If you don't need special
features you can take a look at the cocooncenter publication
(http://www.cocooncenter.org/gallery.html). It doesn't allow upload
(because I don't need it), it just creates previews from a directory
of images.
-- Andreas
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