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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
What do you guys think?
http://i.imgur.com/iSrzf.png vs http://i.imgur.com/esY1o.png
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119671
Thank you.
--Dwayne
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Dwayne Henderson <
its.code.in.here@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really appreciate the support! Will add to Bugzilla ASAP.
>
> --Dwayne
>
>
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Dwayne Henderson <
>> its.code.in.here@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings!
>> >
>> > Seeking an easier way of laying out form elements.
>> >
>> > Right now, after creating a form element, one has to spend a lot of time
>> > getting the PositionX, PositionY, Width and Height just right if one
>> wants
>> > it to fit in nicely with the cell - without blocking out parts of its
>> grid
>> > (
>> > http://i.imgur.com/7oeAU.png => http://i.imgur.com/idTKV.png) - or
>> being
>> > too crammed to the left.
>> >
>> > I'm thinking:
>> >
>> > - A "Snap to grid" that snaps to the actual cell grid
>> > - A "Spacing to contents" for form elements such as Option Buttons,
>> Check
>> > Boxes etc. so that they don't get too crammed to the left
>> > - "Text padding" for the text inside List Boxes etc. so that they too
>> don't
>> > get too crammed to the left (currently one has to add a leading
>> whitespace
>> > to remedy this: http://i.imgur.com/H7Yye.png)
>> >
>>
>> KG01
>>
>> Indeed, smarter defaults would reduce the amount of secondary formatting
>> and form layout refinements - making for a better experience
>>
>> You've made many great suggestions. Consider capturing these requests as
>> individual requests for enhancement in BZ backlog.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>> > I hope we can get together and do something about this ASAP.
>> >
>> > --Dwayne
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Niall,
Niall Martin schrieb:
> Surely it's not that difficult. There are icons that allow you to align things left, right or
> centred, and you can set margins within cells, I think. Certainly when I see things wrong in
> a column, it's a matter of seconds to highlight it and hit the relevant icon.
The feature request is about Calc. In Calc no kind of shape can be
"inside" a cell, because anchor "as character" is not possible. There is
no alignment available for shapes. Compare the position&size dialog in
Writer and Calc.
Kind regards
Regina
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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Niall Martin <ni...@rndmartin.cix.co.uk>.
Surely it's not that difficult. There are icons that allow you to align things left, right or
centred, and you can set margins within cells, I think. Certainly when I see things wrong in
a column, it's a matter of seconds to highlight it and hit the relevant icon.
On 24 Jun 2012 at 13:59, Dwayne Henderson wrote:
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Subject: Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
From: Dwayne Henderson <it...@gmail.com>
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Regina,
>
> It's cool you want maximum consistency - the same stuff for Writer as
> for Calc.
>
> I think the two cases are a little bit different though. In Writer,
> the whole page is the canvas, whereas in Calc each cell is a canvas,
> if you know what I mean.
>
> Personally I'm just seeking a way to automatically position form
> elements within their cells, so I don't have to manually position
> things using all sorts of ugly numbers.
>
> There is snapping, yes, but to what? An invisible grid that is totally
> different from the border grid? That makes no sense.
>
> Lots of stuff to be improved here. Have a good day ma'am!
>
> --Dwayne
>
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Regina Henschel
> <rb...@t-online.de>wrote:
>
> > Hi Dwayne,
> > Dwayne Henderson schrieb:
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >>
> >> http://i.imgur.com/iSrzf.png vs http://i.imgur.com/esY1o.png
> >>
> >> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119671<https://issu
> >> es.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119671>
> >>
> >>
> > I personally like this approach:
> >
> > 1. I like to get something like "Anchor as character" is in Writer
> > for Calc too. Such anchored object would always be completely
> > inside its parent cell (which may be merged cells too). The position
> > would be relative to the anchor, the same way as it is now for
> > "anchor to frame" in Writer.
> >
> > Snapping to grid while creating or modifying is not persistent. You
> > loose alignments, when the column widths or row heights are changed.
> > Nevertheless the currently available snapping can be improved.
> >
> > 2. I like to get formatting styles for form controls for all
> > modules, not only in Calc. Such formatting style would contain all
> > the settings, which are now already possible for graphic objects in
> > Draw/Impress.
> >
> > 3. I like to get formatting styles for graphic objects in Writer and
> > Calc, so that graphic objects and form controls are handled equally
> > in all modules.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Regina
> >
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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Shawn Pringle <sh...@gmail.com>.
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If "wrap as character" existed in Calc and worked the same way as Writer
in Calc, the entity that you demonstrated would be treated as a very
long character. Text can be set to be centered or left-aligned
certainly that seems like the best approach to take to get to what
Dwayne Henderson wants.
Every cell is a little canvas where you type in values, and the values
do not wrap to the next cell or the next line as in a text editor or in
Writer.
If Regina Henschel seems to understand the issues involved quite well
and if she is a programmer, it looks like Dwayne has already found
someone competent in this task.
Dwayne if you are reading this, I am a developer as well. Not in OOO
but in other projects. You could make me an offer privately, if you wish.
Shawn Pringle
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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Dwayne Henderson <it...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. In Calc there is only one drawing layer
> "Controls" for all controls.
> That is the same as in Writer.
I mean that manual positioning for form elements is useful in Writer, but
unnecessary in Calc. In Calc, positioning should be automatic. Or at least
this should be an option.
Manual positioning in Writer documents make sense as each page is a canvas
- meant to resemble a physical piece of paper. Form elements will most
certainly need their own unique position as all form elements cannot all be
centered, one on top of the other, on the page.
In Calc, however, the design methodology is different. I'm not sure if the
concept of a cell has any equivalent in real life (bunch of small Post-it
notes maybe?), but here each cell becomes a canvas. Here it makes more
sense to automatically center each form element within each cell. Who puts
form elements on top of multiple cells, or multiple form elements inside
one cell anyway?
Thanks for listening!
--Dwayne
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Dwayne,
Dwayne Henderson schrieb:
> Regina,
>
> It's cool you want maximum consistency - the same stuff for Writer as for
> Calc.
>
> I think the two cases are a little bit different though. In Writer, the
> whole page is the canvas, whereas in Calc each cell is a canvas, if you
> know what I mean.
I'm not sure what you mean. In Calc there is only one drawing layer
"Controls" for all controls.
That is the same as in Writer.
Kind regards
Regina
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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Dwayne Henderson <it...@gmail.com>.
Regina,
It's cool you want maximum consistency - the same stuff for Writer as for
Calc.
I think the two cases are a little bit different though. In Writer, the
whole page is the canvas, whereas in Calc each cell is a canvas, if you
know what I mean.
Personally I'm just seeking a way to automatically position form elements
within their cells, so I don't have to manually position things using all
sorts of ugly numbers.
There is snapping, yes, but to what? An invisible grid that is totally
different from the border grid? That makes no sense.
Lots of stuff to be improved here. Have a good day ma'am!
--Dwayne
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>wrote:
> Hi Dwayne,
> Dwayne Henderson schrieb:
>
> What do you guys think?
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/iSrzf.png vs http://i.imgur.com/esY1o.png
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=119671<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119671>
>>
>>
> I personally like this approach:
>
> 1. I like to get something like "Anchor as character" is in Writer for
> Calc too. Such anchored object would always be completely inside its
> parent cell (which may be merged cells too). The position would be relative
> to the anchor, the same way as it is now for "anchor to frame" in Writer.
>
> Snapping to grid while creating or modifying is not persistent. You loose
> alignments, when the column widths or row heights are changed. Nevertheless
> the currently available snapping can be improved.
>
> 2. I like to get formatting styles for form controls for all modules, not
> only in Calc. Such formatting style would contain all the settings, which
> are now already possible for graphic objects in Draw/Impress.
>
> 3. I like to get formatting styles for graphic objects in Writer and Calc,
> so that graphic objects and form controls are handled equally in all
> modules.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
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Re: [Calc] Feature request: An easier way of laying out form elements
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Dwayne,
Dwayne Henderson schrieb:
> What do you guys think?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/iSrzf.png vs http://i.imgur.com/esY1o.png
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119671
>
I personally like this approach:
1. I like to get something like "Anchor as character" is in Writer for
Calc too. Such anchored object would always be completely inside its
parent cell (which may be merged cells too). The position would be
relative to the anchor, the same way as it is now for "anchor to frame"
in Writer.
Snapping to grid while creating or modifying is not persistent. You
loose alignments, when the column widths or row heights are changed.
Nevertheless the currently available snapping can be improved.
2. I like to get formatting styles for form controls for all modules,
not only in Calc. Such formatting style would contain all the settings,
which are now already possible for graphic objects in Draw/Impress.
3. I like to get formatting styles for graphic objects in Writer and
Calc, so that graphic objects and form controls are handled equally in
all modules.
Kind regards
Regina
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