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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org> on 2005/10/19 10:24:55 UTC
[v2] AJAX in views?
Hi all,
lately I worked with AJAX and would like to support v2 with AJAX
out-of-the-box.
WDYT?
There is a ajax-block in cocoon, which is the best way to incorporate
this in existing structurer?
Or is it better to create a new plugin?
salu2
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
El vie, 21-10-2005 a las 19:30 +1000, David Crossley escribió:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > Done. v2 supports now AJAX.
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=327135&view=rev
> >
> > "Added a new class of contracts 'hellper-...' this contracts offering
> > helper classesbut not adding any functionality nor content directly to
> > the page. Added prototype.js which is a jscript framework offering not
> > only ajax support."
>
> Typo alert! That should be "helper-..."
>
> Lets fix that before it becomes embedded.
whoops sorry.
forrest/trunk/whiteboard/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.output.themer/resources/templates/default/helper-prototype-ajax.ft
salu2
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Done. v2 supports now AJAX.
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=327135&view=rev
>
> "Added a new class of contracts 'hellper-...' this contracts offering
> helper classesbut not adding any functionality nor content directly to
> the page. Added prototype.js which is a jscript framework offering not
> only ajax support."
Typo alert! That should be "helper-..."
Lets fix that before it becomes embedded.
-David
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
El vie, 21-10-2005 a las 11:24 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > Done. v2 supports now AJAX.
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=327135&view=rev
> >
> > "Added a new class of contracts 'hellper-...' this contracts offering
> > helper classesbut not adding any functionality nor content directly to
> > the page. Added prototype.js which is a jscript framework offering not
> > only ajax support."
>
> I said I expected a cool demo yesterday morning, you're late ;-)
jeje, sorry, I was sick and in bed yesterday (but it was ready by
then). ;-)
> Seriously though, cool stuff Thorsten (not looked at it but is *sounds*
> like cool stuff).
Right now it is "just" a demo. A simple example but yeah it is quite
cool.
Just do:
cd $FORREST_HOME/main/template-sites/v2; forrest run
http://localhost:8888/samples.html
...press test and smile. :) ;-)
salu2
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Done. v2 supports now AJAX.
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=327135&view=rev
>
> "Added a new class of contracts 'hellper-...' this contracts offering
> helper classesbut not adding any functionality nor content directly to
> the page. Added prototype.js which is a jscript framework offering not
> only ajax support."
I said I expected a cool demo yesterday morning, you're late ;-)
Seriously though, cool stuff Thorsten (not looked at it but is *sounds*
like cool stuff).
Ross
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
Done. v2 supports now AJAX.
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=327135&view=rev
"Added a new class of contracts 'hellper-...' this contracts offering
helper classesbut not adding any functionality nor content directly to
the page. Added prototype.js which is a jscript framework offering not
only ajax support."
salu2
El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 12:31 +0200, Thorsten Scherler escribió:
> Jeje, thx for the feedback, Ross.
>
> salu2
>
> El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 11:09 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> > Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > > El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 09:52 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> > >
> > >>Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>>lately I worked with AJAX and would like to support v2 with AJAX
> > >>>out-of-the-box.
> > >>>
> > >>>WDYT?
> > >>
> > >>What is the use case?
> > >
> > >
> > > ATM no actual use case, but we can use it in e.g. the search contract
> > > and enable the google suggestions
> > > http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en. AJAX in general is really
> > > useful and I have tons of ideas around it. ;-)
> >
> > I see it is exciting - but I'd rather finish what we started first (I
> > just mean I don't have the time for that, but if you do, OK).
> >
> > >>It seems to me that with this Forrest would be moving a long way from a
> > >>publishing framework and becoming more like Cocoon itself, an
> > >>application framework. But maybe I'm just bind to the use case.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, IMO no. contracts are extra-content and/or extra-functionality.
> > > AJAX is just a way to update parts of the site on user interaction
> > > without having to reload the whole site.
> >
> > OK, got that - good idea.
> >
> > >>>There is a ajax-block in cocoon, which is the best way to incorporate
> > >>>this in existing structurer?
> > >>
> > >>We need Forms to be working first.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you think so?
> > >
> > > Forms depend on AJAX (not the other way around, have a look at
> > > blocks.properties).
> >
> > Really! My mistake then.
> >
> > >>>Or is it better to create a new plugin?
> > >>
> > >>If we make Forrest a Cocoon block then we get to use the Ajax block
> > >>however we want.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually AJAX support is just linking a couple of jscripts by default in
> > > the view. Thinking about it the easiest way is to write a contract for
> > > that.
> >
> > Off you go then, I expect to see a cool demo tomorrow morning ;-)
> >
> > Ross
> >
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
Jeje, thx for the feedback, Ross.
salu2
El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 11:09 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 09:52 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> >
> >>Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>lately I worked with AJAX and would like to support v2 with AJAX
> >>>out-of-the-box.
> >>>
> >>>WDYT?
> >>
> >>What is the use case?
> >
> >
> > ATM no actual use case, but we can use it in e.g. the search contract
> > and enable the google suggestions
> > http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en. AJAX in general is really
> > useful and I have tons of ideas around it. ;-)
>
> I see it is exciting - but I'd rather finish what we started first (I
> just mean I don't have the time for that, but if you do, OK).
>
> >>It seems to me that with this Forrest would be moving a long way from a
> >>publishing framework and becoming more like Cocoon itself, an
> >>application framework. But maybe I'm just bind to the use case.
> >
> >
> > Hmm, IMO no. contracts are extra-content and/or extra-functionality.
> > AJAX is just a way to update parts of the site on user interaction
> > without having to reload the whole site.
>
> OK, got that - good idea.
>
> >>>There is a ajax-block in cocoon, which is the best way to incorporate
> >>>this in existing structurer?
> >>
> >>We need Forms to be working first.
> >
> >
> > Why do you think so?
> >
> > Forms depend on AJAX (not the other way around, have a look at
> > blocks.properties).
>
> Really! My mistake then.
>
> >>>Or is it better to create a new plugin?
> >>
> >>If we make Forrest a Cocoon block then we get to use the Ajax block
> >>however we want.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Actually AJAX support is just linking a couple of jscripts by default in
> > the view. Thinking about it the easiest way is to write a contract for
> > that.
>
> Off you go then, I expect to see a cool demo tomorrow morning ;-)
>
> Ross
>
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 09:52 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
>
>>Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>lately I worked with AJAX and would like to support v2 with AJAX
>>>out-of-the-box.
>>>
>>>WDYT?
>>
>>What is the use case?
>
>
> ATM no actual use case, but we can use it in e.g. the search contract
> and enable the google suggestions
> http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en. AJAX in general is really
> useful and I have tons of ideas around it. ;-)
I see it is exciting - but I'd rather finish what we started first (I
just mean I don't have the time for that, but if you do, OK).
>>It seems to me that with this Forrest would be moving a long way from a
>>publishing framework and becoming more like Cocoon itself, an
>>application framework. But maybe I'm just bind to the use case.
>
>
> Hmm, IMO no. contracts are extra-content and/or extra-functionality.
> AJAX is just a way to update parts of the site on user interaction
> without having to reload the whole site.
OK, got that - good idea.
>>>There is a ajax-block in cocoon, which is the best way to incorporate
>>>this in existing structurer?
>>
>>We need Forms to be working first.
>
>
> Why do you think so?
>
> Forms depend on AJAX (not the other way around, have a look at
> blocks.properties).
Really! My mistake then.
>>>Or is it better to create a new plugin?
>>
>>If we make Forrest a Cocoon block then we get to use the Ajax block
>>however we want.
>>
>
>
> Actually AJAX support is just linking a couple of jscripts by default in
> the view. Thinking about it the easiest way is to write a contract for
> that.
Off you go then, I expect to see a cool demo tomorrow morning ;-)
Ross
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
El mié, 19-10-2005 a las 09:52 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > lately I worked with AJAX and would like to support v2 with AJAX
> > out-of-the-box.
> >
> > WDYT?
>
> What is the use case?
ATM no actual use case, but we can use it in e.g. the search contract
and enable the google suggestions
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en. AJAX in general is really
useful and I have tons of ideas around it. ;-)
> It seems to me that with this Forrest would be moving a long way from a
> publishing framework and becoming more like Cocoon itself, an
> application framework. But maybe I'm just bind to the use case.
Hmm, IMO no. contracts are extra-content and/or extra-functionality.
AJAX is just a way to update parts of the site on user interaction
without having to reload the whole site.
> > There is a ajax-block in cocoon, which is the best way to incorporate
> > this in existing structurer?
>
> We need Forms to be working first.
Why do you think so?
Forms depend on AJAX (not the other way around, have a look at
blocks.properties).
Anyway you can use pure AJAX without forms. The cocoon-AJAX "just"
provides a new transformer and the standard AJAX jscripts (like
prototype.js et. al.). We do not even need to use the cocoon block to
add AJAX support.
> The easiest way to get forms woking
> is to make Forrest a Cocoon block.
hmm, I know to less about block ATM to comment on that.
> To do this we need to remove the need
> for a custom cocoon.xcong. To do this we need a new config system, to do
> this we need to finsih FOR-200 (getting much closer, only resources to
> do now and we got that 80% done on the last Forrest Tuesday, just got to
> nail a final little problem).
>
> > Or is it better to create a new plugin?
>
> If we make Forrest a Cocoon block then we get to use the Ajax block
> however we want.
>
Actually AJAX support is just linking a couple of jscripts by default in
the view. Thinking about it the easiest way is to write a contract for
that.
salu2
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [v2] AJAX in views?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> lately I worked with AJAX and would like to support v2 with AJAX
> out-of-the-box.
>
> WDYT?
What is the use case?
It seems to me that with this Forrest would be moving a long way from a
publishing framework and becoming more like Cocoon itself, an
application framework. But maybe I'm just bind to the use case.
> There is a ajax-block in cocoon, which is the best way to incorporate
> this in existing structurer?
We need Forms to be working first. The easiest way to get forms woking
is to make Forrest a Cocoon block. To do this we need to remove the need
for a custom cocoon.xcong. To do this we need a new config system, to do
this we need to finsih FOR-200 (getting much closer, only resources to
do now and we got that 80% done on the last Forrest Tuesday, just got to
nail a final little problem).
> Or is it better to create a new plugin?
If we make Forrest a Cocoon block then we get to use the Ajax block
however we want.
Ross