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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org> on 2010/12/30 12:44:54 UTC
Modeling tools
Hi guys,
I would ask about modeling tools that we may use to document existing
features/architecture of Karaf/SMX and other projects. At this moment we
don't even have any bigger architecture diagrams. May we ask some tool
vendor for few licenses? I know that there is Argo/Poseidon and other
modeling tools but they're very limited and don't even have reverse
engineering features or these are broken. What do you think?
I thought about two products:
Magic Draw for UML
Visual Paradigm for UML
Best regards,
Lukasz
Re: Modeling tools
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:00:31AM -0330, Jamie G. wrote:
> I've used Visual Paradigm for UML back when the Kernel was first
> moving to the Felix community, they do have a community 'free' edition
> [1] however it's really striped down from their full versions (at
> least as of that time frame).
> I think that if we were to invest time
> in developing UML diagrams than making them as accessible as possible
> via free tooling would be the best course. As to which tool to use
> bouml, umbrello, et al are all viable candidates.
+1; that was also my thought
>
> Cheers,
> Jamie
>
> [1] http://www.visual-paradigm.com/download/vpuml.jsp?edition=ce
>
> 2010/12/30 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> > Hi Andreas,
> > Many of vendors have academic programs and so on. We may ask for full licenses for free, non-commercial use (documentation). If they'll decline we may back to open sourced tools. What is important for me - is multi platform. Some of you working on Macs, others on Linux and I on windows. ;-) Created diagram should be exportable to some text form (for example XML/XMI) and easy to put into version control to allow tracking it and modification in future.
> >
> > Lukasz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andreas Pieber [mailto:anpieber@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:49 PM
> > To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Modeling tools
> >
> > I think some UML diagrams of the core concepts would really help to understand karafs architecture, but I'm not so sure if we should use tools which are not available for free.
> >
> > Although not too pretty e.g. bouml [1] should do the job. At least it is open source and available pre-packed on all (major) platforms/distributions.
> >
> > WDYT?
> >
> > kind regards,
> > andreas
> >
> > [1] http://bouml.free.fr/
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:44:54PM +0100, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> I would ask about modeling tools that we may use to document existing
> >> features/architecture of Karaf/SMX and other projects. At this moment
> >> we don't even have any bigger architecture diagrams. May we ask some
> >> tool vendor for few licenses? I know that there is Argo/Poseidon and
> >> other modeling tools but they're very limited and don't even have
> >> reverse engineering features or these are broken. What do you think?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought about two products:
> >> Magic Draw for UML
> >>
> >> Visual Paradigm for UML
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Lukasz
> >>
> >
> >
Re: Modeling tools
Posted by "Jamie G." <ja...@gmail.com>.
I've used Visual Paradigm for UML back when the Kernel was first
moving to the Felix community, they do have a community 'free' edition
[1] however it's really striped down from their full versions (at
least as of that time frame). I think that if we were to invest time
in developing UML diagrams than making them as accessible as possible
via free tooling would be the best course. As to which tool to use
bouml, umbrello, et al are all viable candidates.
Cheers,
Jamie
[1] http://www.visual-paradigm.com/download/vpuml.jsp?edition=ce
2010/12/30 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Hi Andreas,
> Many of vendors have academic programs and so on. We may ask for full licenses for free, non-commercial use (documentation). If they'll decline we may back to open sourced tools. What is important for me - is multi platform. Some of you working on Macs, others on Linux and I on windows. ;-) Created diagram should be exportable to some text form (for example XML/XMI) and easy to put into version control to allow tracking it and modification in future.
>
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Pieber [mailto:anpieber@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:49 PM
> To: dev@karaf.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Modeling tools
>
> I think some UML diagrams of the core concepts would really help to understand karafs architecture, but I'm not so sure if we should use tools which are not available for free.
>
> Although not too pretty e.g. bouml [1] should do the job. At least it is open source and available pre-packed on all (major) platforms/distributions.
>
> WDYT?
>
> kind regards,
> andreas
>
> [1] http://bouml.free.fr/
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:44:54PM +0100, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I would ask about modeling tools that we may use to document existing
>> features/architecture of Karaf/SMX and other projects. At this moment
>> we don't even have any bigger architecture diagrams. May we ask some
>> tool vendor for few licenses? I know that there is Argo/Poseidon and
>> other modeling tools but they're very limited and don't even have
>> reverse engineering features or these are broken. What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought about two products:
>> Magic Draw for UML
>>
>> Visual Paradigm for UML
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lukasz
>>
>
>
RE: Modeling tools
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi Andreas,
Many of vendors have academic programs and so on. We may ask for full licenses for free, non-commercial use (documentation). If they'll decline we may back to open sourced tools. What is important for me - is multi platform. Some of you working on Macs, others on Linux and I on windows. ;-) Created diagram should be exportable to some text form (for example XML/XMI) and easy to put into version control to allow tracking it and modification in future.
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Pieber [mailto:anpieber@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:49 PM
To: dev@karaf.apache.org
Subject: Re: Modeling tools
I think some UML diagrams of the core concepts would really help to understand karafs architecture, but I'm not so sure if we should use tools which are not available for free.
Although not too pretty e.g. bouml [1] should do the job. At least it is open source and available pre-packed on all (major) platforms/distributions.
WDYT?
kind regards,
andreas
[1] http://bouml.free.fr/
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:44:54PM +0100, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I would ask about modeling tools that we may use to document existing
> features/architecture of Karaf/SMX and other projects. At this moment
> we don't even have any bigger architecture diagrams. May we ask some
> tool vendor for few licenses? I know that there is Argo/Poseidon and
> other modeling tools but they're very limited and don't even have
> reverse engineering features or these are broken. What do you think?
>
>
>
> I thought about two products:
> Magic Draw for UML
>
> Visual Paradigm for UML
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lukasz
>
Re: Modeling tools
Posted by Andreas Pieber <an...@gmail.com>.
I think some UML diagrams of the core concepts would really help
to understand karafs architecture, but I'm not so sure if we should use tools
which are not available for free.
Although not too pretty e.g. bouml [1] should do the job. At least it is open
source and available pre-packed on all (major) platforms/distributions.
WDYT?
kind regards,
andreas
[1] http://bouml.free.fr/
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:44:54PM +0100, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I would ask about modeling tools that we may use to document existing
> features/architecture of Karaf/SMX and other projects. At this moment we
> don't even have any bigger architecture diagrams. May we ask some tool
> vendor for few licenses? I know that there is Argo/Poseidon and other
> modeling tools but they're very limited and don't even have reverse
> engineering features or these are broken. What do you think?
>
>
>
> I thought about two products:
> Magic Draw for UML
>
> Visual Paradigm for UML
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lukasz
>